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Pffft. Avoidance tactics. Like I’m worried about your questions? Give me a break.
If you think the psychiatric solution of “schizophrenia” is “far more reasonable” - go right ahead. It’s a drug-driven industry that actually has no explanation for the diversity and eccentricity of these so called “hallucinations”.
To answer your question more directly - I hear the OverLord; I hear the Evil One. Each is infinitely more powerful and intelligent than I am.
Now. Do you think it’s more rational for me, specifically, to accept that my brain gives rise to these Entities? Or should I take into consideration the infinite lengths to which their power and intelligence extend?
And Nein. I am not advocating for any type of “God” in the sense that you’re used to. No bible. No six day creation. No Adam. No Eve. Just a super powerful Deity and His alter ego pervading the whole universe with their singular infinitely great intelligence and power.
If you don’t believe it, here’s something for you - I don’t acknowledge your existence. In fact, if you don’t believe me, then you have no basis on which to posit your own Selfhood.
Do you hear your self think? Yes. Oh! Indeed. You must have a disorder of some kind. PID. Personal Identity Disorder. You actually think that the thoughts inside your head are coming from “you”. Hilarious. I love it how naive you all are on this forum.
Hey there, Ratty! How's the New Year been for you so far? Good, I hope. Mine started off a bit bumpy, but things are starting to smooth out a bit finally. Tell The OverLord "hello" for me, and try not to let The Evil One get you into too much trouble. Tell him he should pace himself. There is a whole year ahead in which to cause much havoc and chaos. No need to pack it all into just two or three big hits. Space it out a bit and enjoy it... *chuckle*... Oh, and if you happen to need a hand with some of the assigned tasks, I suppose He knows where to find me... *grin*... Take care out there, dude!
ratspit "It’s a drug-driven industry that actually has no explanation for the diversity and eccentricity of these so called “hallucinations”."
Schizophrenia is a severe long-term mental health condition. It causes a range of different psychological symptoms. Doctors often describe schizophrenia as a type of psychosis. This means the person may not always be able to distinguish their own thoughts and ideas from reality.I think it does, and I think it serves your purpose to pretend otherwise.
ratspit "Do you think it’s more rational for me, specifically, to accept that my brain gives rise to these Entities?"
"the person may not always be able to distinguish their own thoughts and ideas from reality."
That's from the clinical definition of Schizophrenia.
ratspit "You actually think that the thoughts inside your head are coming from “you”. Hilarious. I love it how naive you all are on this forum."
Again see the definition of Schizophrenia above, especially this ""the person may not always be able to distinguish their own thoughts and ideas from reality."
"There is also research using brain-scanning equipment, that shows changes in the speech area in the brains of people with schizophrenia when they hear voices. So this directly contradicts your earlier claim in this thread citing technology as unable to objectively measure or record such hallucinations, or as you put it dreams."
I look forward to yet more personal abuse for my trouble, but hey ho.
My new year has been going well. My cult has grown to 25 now. We’ve sacrificed several goats already - and it’s only the 14th! The Evil One is becoming more demanding - asking for virgin sacrifices. In this day and age - where am I gunna find a virgin? Walmart? Anyhow. I hope He likes goat’s blood.
The OverLord says “hi”. He’s happy to see that you are rust free and have been chopping wood.
To be honest; I’ve come down with an disorder of the phlegm. Got a real good chest cough. Is it weird that I like the taste of phlegm? Always have.
Anyhow. If you’d like to help the cause; we’re always looking for radical Islamic jihadists to join the group. Send any you know of my way - courtesy of 666 - Alderwood Lane, Greenville New Hampshire. (We’re gunna overthrow the Government).
Actually, Walmart is the LAST place you should go to try to find virgins.... well, in the Southeast U.S., at least. They are definitely in short supply around these parts... *chuckle*... Don't know any jihadists personally, but I can tell you Iraq and a couple of other places in that part of the world would be a good starting point to find a few. Those are definitely NOT in short supply over there. Well, at least they were not the last couple of times I was there, anyway. Been a few years, so who knows now?... *shrugging shoulders*...
Good luck with that government overthrow. Although, I have to say I'm not sure why anybody would want to do that. Just seems like too much of a headache to me. After all, once you oust the current regime, you must then go in and set up shop and take over all the pain-in-the-ass jobs they had been doing. And my understanding is that hiring office workers can be a real bitch nowadays. Still, its a hobby, I suppose. Whatever keeps The OverLord happy. (Oh, wait.... Or is it The Evil One calling the shots on that?) Oh, well, either way, "Have fun storming the castle!" (Might want to get rid of that nasty chest cough first, though. Nothing worse than being hit by a coughing fit in the middle of a siege. Really takes all the fun out of the moment.) Be safe out there!
Edit to add:
"Pffft. Avoidance tactics. Like I’m worried about your questions? Give me a break."
Avoidance or difference, are classic poor debate tactics under the "bob and weave" moniker of apologetics. That is what you display. Not that I already have not pointed out your dishonesty in this debate forum, on this thread...not that I have not yet seen through your argument...not that I really need you to answer my and others questions...but for attempt at a proper debate...I will ask you again, for the fourth time, how do you jump to a supernatural explanation with other far more reasonable explanations? Do you not use reason while assessing truths or probabilities? or do you allow belief driven cognitive dissonance to pervert your thinking? A proper response that addresses my question would be appreciated.
You’re a troll. But I’m not done with you. My answers have been short, concise, and to the point. Your so called “more reasonable solutions” have been shown to be erroneous.
I told you that I literally hear the OverLord; the Evil One - and you insult me by asking me if this “cognitive dissonance has perverted my thinking”. You’re a troll. You use insults to question the honesty of my experience.
So, troll-boy. There it is. I am not jumping to any supernatural explanation. I literally hear supernatural beings. I literally converse with supernatural beings. 10 percent of the population does the same.
If you don’t like that - give me a nice scientific explanation regarding the diversity and eccentricity of my so called “hallucinations”.
You have the dopamine theory. That’s a nice start. Why don’t you start with a neuro-chemical and go on to explain how the brain generates an inner voice with more intelligence than the listener. Your understanding of the “disease” is pathetic.
How long can you hang on to terms like “cognitive dissonance” and “cognitive disorder”? How far do those terms actually take you?
You can’t and won’t give a scientific explanation of the diversity and eccentricity of my so called “hallucinations” because science doesn’t have an answer.
He's not a troll. nor has he insulted you. Your reaction and how quickly you play the victim and become emotionally unstable and lash out is not helping your claims at all, quite the opposite.
"I am not jumping to any supernatural explanation. I literally hear supernatural beings."
Oh dear, it seems another irony meter is off to the bin. Do you really not see the contradictions there? Hence doG's observation about the cognitive dissonance you're displaying, it seems it might really be lost on you.
"10 percent of the population does the same."
No they don't, that's just another unevidenced assumption you're making about a statistic that outlines the level of the populations who experience hallucinations, the significance of the article you linked describing them as hallucinations seems also to be lost on you, and again cognitive dissonance and doG's post are the only voices I am now hearing in my head.
"If you don’t like that - give me a nice scientific explanation regarding the diversity and eccentricity of my so called “hallucinations”."
You have claimed this repeatedly but have offered no evidence this is the case. It;s also another argument from ignorance fallacy, despite the histrionics this fact always produces from you.
"Your understanding of the “disease” is pathetic."
Not at all, doG seemed to have reasonable grasp of the topic if his post was any indicator.
"How long can you hang on to terms like “cognitive dissonance” and “cognitive disorder”? How far do those terms actually take you?"
They accurately fit the evidence, and again for me doG's post was on the money, whereas your posts are bizarre, disjointed, inconsistent (as you often make glaring contradictions), contradictory, intransigent, and make unwarranted and unevidenced assumptions for the supernatural, and of course show you to be emotionally fragile when your claims are given even cursory critical scrutiny. The way you lash out at other posters seems almost to border on paranoia, and it seems I am not alone in noticing this.
"You can’t and won’t give a scientific explanation of the diversity and eccentricity of my so called “hallucinations” because science doesn’t have an answer."
Well again this yet another unevidenced claim, as you have posted nothing that suggest your hallucinations are that unusual, and even if they were and science couldn't explain this, to leap t the conclusion you do that they have a supernatural cause is the very definition of an argument from ignorance fallacy.
You have my sympathies, he lashes out with dishonest misrepresentations when his bizarre unevidenced ideas are challenged. I've been on the receiving end from the start. Trust me you're not alone, and how much he is culpable for I'm still not entirely sure, but ratspit's nasty ad hominem is definitely necessary.
Try psilocybin; try Ayahuasca; try ibogaine. Expand your horizons. Based on your inert manner of having a discussion - you could use a little LSD too.
Ok rat spit, no delusional thought processes for you I guess, seeing that is what you believe. Whatever you say. But for sake of debate and good mental health, I will repeat, certain neurogenic disorders are shown to have auditory hallucinations as you describe. These issues have valid research identifying the malfunctions. They also have continued research initially to treat and to spur further research in hopes of more effective treatment or cure. As already mentioned schizophrenia, being one of those issues. I had read a periodical at my practice about this specific problem several years ago...I tracked it down just for you.I'll do a med search for the actual research when I get back to my office tomorrow...although the source is on the link.
If you are having any type of hallucinatory issues, a certain dopamine receptor blocking class of meds, blocks the neuronal transmission threshold that initiates the hallucinatory phenomena. Olanzapine is the drug of choice, if you want to mention this to your primary care physician or specialist. As monotherapy, It basically reduces continued hallucination to 8% of this population, and when combined with bi therapy, nearly zero...Just on the off chance you are serious. If you are just full of shit, as I suspect, then that just makes you the dick.
I think the Overlord or Evil one once talked to me, but I thought I was going insane and eventually ignored it. He appeared to take the form of a shadow, and made me write down a prophecy with biblical overtones; possibly because of my point of reference. How do I know if it is actually THE Overlord/Evil one?
People be trolling me up in here. You trolling me?
Not trolling, just want to know if he can take the form of a shadow from your experience. Or could you ask him if it was him that talked to me? (not sure if that is how it works)
He can definitely take the form of a shadow. Take a mental look over your shoulder. If you hear a hisss - that’s Him. The black hooded cloak is also traditional symbolism with truth to it.
I was plagued by these shadows at one time, and I could sense evil intent for sure.
Okay. Assuming you’re not trolling me. Tin-Man asked a similar relevant question. For the sake of argument, He asked “How do I know that your OverLord is the same OverLord as my OverLord?” etc. As With the Evil One.
Well, just as Mount Everest is the highest mountain on earth, the OverLord is the highest being in the universe. How can you tell if it was Him? His voice and intention is unmistakable. He will strike fear into you - basically He’s a grump. As I explained, to Tin-Man, the OverLord is non-spatial and therefore, everywhere.
Now, the Evil One is a scamp. He’ll take advantage of your reference points and use them to deceive you. For me it was Buddhism. Looking back, I have fond memories of conversing with these historical figures - however, if I did not learn to control the incessant lies; I would not be able to function.
Evil Ones are different for each person. They all reside (without conflict) on a plane of consciousness - but (for the purposes of feeding) they latch on to their hosts in a variety of disguises and with their own host of personality traits.
So - if some being persuaded you to write down these biblical prophecies- you can be sure of two things at least:
1) it was an Evil One from the plane of the Evil One’s (Satan, of course, being the leader of the group). Or:
2) it was the OverLord
Now it sounds like the work of an Evil One. The OverLord is perfectly happy staying out of the picture as long as He can (before someone like me unravels the deceit of an Evil One).
In general, yes. That is all I can think of for now.
Okay, cool, thanks.
Quetiapine works just fine for me, doc - thanks for the suggestion though.
If you’d like to hear about non-medicinal routes - I could share a few with you.
I haven’t spent the last ten years of my life in total remission due to meds. The answers to this illness, disease, problem - they’re all in the heart.
I’ll have a look at that link.
Yup same class of meds. Its a genetic deletion disorder, so not much presently is available. Meds and cbt have a very good success rate.Sorry for the insults, and wish you well.
Genetic deletion, you say. Well, no offspring for me I suppose. Can’t afford it either way. Sorry for calling you a “troll”. Best wishes.
That’s some compelling research. Thanks for the link. Personally, I’ve experienced every other hallucination in the book - so a broken circuit in my auditory thalamus might explain why I don’t associate with what I hear in my thoughts - it doesn’t go far enough to explain the divirsity of the hallucinations I’ve experienced. However, the brain is a mysterious lump of nerves, I dare say.
Sun, 01/06/2019 - 18:51
rat spit "Sheldon. I don’t recall ever asking anyone to prove me wrong."
Fri, 01/04/2019 - 21:42 Permalink
rat spit "Please prove that it originates solely and exclusively in the brain."
Hmm....your hubris is contradicting itself yet again.
Rat spit, how do you imagine you would react if presented with proof that the voices are a product only of your own brain?
Interesting question, with any idea claim or belief it's essential that they are falsifiable, otherwise there is no way to objectively measure their validity.
Proof? Scientific proof? Like if science explained to you what anxiety was? That even though it feels like the world is going to end, it’s not? That kind of proof? A biological or genetic pattern linking brain activity to hallucinations?
It makes no difference to me. I converse with personalities in my thoughts. These personalities have far greater intelligence than I do. They are far more powerful. How many times do I have to say this?
And how many times do people have to tell you that what you're experiencing fits the description of schizophrenia?
Educate your self, young man. 8 to 10 % of the population admit to hearing voices. Of that 8 to 10 % - 1% will seek medical help because the voices are too disruptive in their lives. The remainder of these people live perfectly normal lives.
Pure stigma. “Schizophrenia”. A psychiatrist’s word for a condition he doesn’t understand. doG points to a deletion mutation in the auditory thalamus as a key indicator of people who develop schizophrenia. Ha! What about visual, gustatory, olfactory, tactile hallucinations. I’ve had them ALL.
Call it schizophrenia - but don’t pretend you understand it. Do you think you understand better than I do? That my “cognitive dissonance” prevents me from seeing clearly? Another convenient but totally incorrect assertion.
Do I sound deluded to you? Are my sentences not grammatically correct? Do I go on rants about the government planting microchips in my head to track my thoughts?
I proclaim two things a) An OverLord and b) an Evil One. This is the human condition. This is the cause for all the Jesus Christ’s in the world - all the Buddha’s.
Do you really think you’re in control of your thoughts? Honest question coming up. Do your thoughts keep you awake at night? Do you ever have intrusive thoughts? Do you ever hear music in your thoughts?
@ rat spit
"And such claims are both derived from the same truth - ie. the inner voice."
Are you serious, or just a bored troll? How the hell are those two situations the same? One is stating they hear voices from another being, the other is stating they hear their OWN voice.
Calm down there, big fella. I’m serious. There is one difference between a person’s inner thoughts and the content of an auditory hallucination. That one difference is whether one identifies or does not identify with the content of the thought.
Now. Thoughts are impulses, generally triggered by perception and feeling - quite frankly, they don’t belong to you in any sense of having produced them. They occur in you and you identify with them. I’m not saying you’re wrong or you shouldn’t. I’m just saying you’re ignorant if you can’t extend the same benefit of the doubt to me when I proclaim that I do not identify with my thought content. I know who I am and who I am not. The contents of my thoughts are not me. That’s it - the fact that I converse with the Supreme Being of the Universe is just incidental to the fact that He is everywhere - ubiquitous.
Did you have a serious question, or are you just here to call me a troll - because that I’m itself is trolling.