Here is what I find interesting.....some of you state you are ex theists, while others claim to have been religious etc. Others commenting here are clearly quite intelligent.

I think we can all agree that mankind is an intelligent species through his and her many many obvious examples of work ie: math, science, technology, arts etc etc etc..the list goes on and on.

What I find most interesting though from many modern day intellectuals proffessing on the subject of god or religion is that they fail to recognise mans intelligence on this matter.
Clearly we can agree that the bible, the koran, and all the other books are written by man (inspired by god if you wish....whatever). To blatantly say it is all hocus pocus bullshit is to dismiss mans intelligence. Why? because the proof of mans intelligence is everywhere around us. i am using it right now to communicate with you.

So if man is indeed intelligent then we have to understand and respect the intelligence that wrote those so call hocus pocus bullshit stories. You gain nothing from dismissing it. You gain everything from realising that you cannot understand it. The fact still remains...it is man's attempt to describe that which cannot be seen, heard or felt. And I actually happen to believe that man did a very good job in doing so. Just because I cannot see, feel or hear what is being descibed does not mean it does not exist. It just means i cannot see, hear, feel it...amongst other things.

We are talking about a level of intelligence here that is beyond most peoples level of thinking today.

Here is a hypothetical scenario.....We have the pyramids...a mathmatical marvel. More than likely built by man at a time when his level of intelligence was very very high. Who is to say...wait for it, because this is hypothetical.......at around the same time ET turned up and made himself known to man when he was building the pyramid....said hello, you're smart...but im smarter....but then made himself invisible. Man then set about describing invisible ET as best he could for future generations...probably knowing that he was about to go into decline as everyone from that point on would think he, or she was a nutcase for talking about and ET that no-one can see, hear or feel.

that's all hypothetical of course but it does pose a real question......why have the concept, the idea of god so therefore it had to have come from somewhere.

Just because there is no proof..or becaise you or i refuse to believe what a beliver believes in does not mean it is not real or does not exist.

I go back to our own intelligence. Man is very very very smart. I would hardly think he or she would waste countless hours, days, years, centuries describing in detail that which most of us cannot understand....for no reason at all. Quite the contrary....Religion is the workof the most intelligent people attempting to descibe something that is actually very real but unfortunately most, if not nearly all of us are incapable of understanding, seeing, hearing, knowing etc.

So i would say....before stating whether there is or is not a god, whether you believe or not etc etc....sit down and think about the level of intelligence it takes to describe...or even attempt to describe something that as said...most if not all will probably never understand.
That point alone sums man up....we always try to explain what it is we are seeing, hearing, feeling etc etc to our fellow man....whether it is now or in the future.

The whole point of this conversation for me is really about asking the question "who wrote the story?" My aim or goal was to have people think about the original narrator/story teller and to ask themselves what level of intelligence the narrator must have had. It was not to focus on the storyline....which most do.

Like it or not (the story) you have to respect that level of thinking.

Thanks for the conversation