Relatability... a good reason to believe in a creator

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Wed, 05/06/2020 - 23:54

kenny33

I guess 1 vs 10 was never gonna work... I am tired of explaining everything and it feels like a waste of time if I continue so Have a good day/night :)

Wed, 05/06/2020 - 23:59

(Reply to #92) #93

Sheldon

@Kenny

What have you explained?

All I see is a claim god created the universe, and very old flawed irrational first cause argument. Since then it's been mostly semantics and repetition.

It's hard to believe you thought that would achieve much in a forum of atheists who spend their time critically examining god claims.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 00:38

(Reply to #93) #94

kenny33

All I see is a claim god

All I see is a claim god created the universe, and very old flawed irrational first cause argument. Since then it's been mostly semantics and repetition.

You realize how ironical you sound? whenever I put an analogy forward all you do is call it "dumbest analogy" and move on, without ever addressing it... Then you accuse me of repetition ? you know that calling something dumb doesnt mean you addressed it.
At this point it feels like you guys are a bunch of immature trolls; if someone tries to challenge anything you say you start throwing insults left and right. Thankfully I managed to maintain a level of decency while debating and never called someone a "clown" or "defenceless puppy" ... But now I have no reason to continue wasting my time

Peace!

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 01:10

(Reply to #94) #95

Sheldon

@Kenny33

Ah a repetition of your lie I don't address your questions. As I have said each time you use this lie, I answered the question, pointing out it was an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, in a clumsy attempt to reverse the burden of proof away from your god claim
because you have no evidence, or any rational argument to support it.

Now you just endlessly repeat the original fallacy with ever more pointless analogies, while ignoring my answer, because it shows your reason for believing is based on known logical fallacies.

You have demonstrated no evidence, your one argument was a woeful and irrational first cause argument, and your deity creator claim has no explanatory powers whatsoever. You can't even demonstrate it is possible. Unlike natural causes of course, which are objectively evidenced in every cause science can explain.

The real hilarity is that you have offered nothing but endless repetition of your original claim, and the fallacious irrational argument in your op, yet keep whining that others are repeating themselves, now that is fucking priceless, and that btw is also an irony overload. I think you have the same grasp of the meaning if irony as all the other words you have attached subjective capricious definitions to.

Since the principles of logic are not going to change to accommodate your woefully irrational claims, of course you're getting the same response, it's beyond idiotic for you to endlessly repeat the sane fallacies, then expect anything else.

Are you really leaving this time? Only given how dishonest your posts have been so far and this is the second time you've thrown this tantrum and threatened to flounce out of here, I'm dubious.

Here's a tip for you anyway, if you can't take your superstitious beliefs being held up to rigorous rational critical thinking, only share them with people who have the same low irrational standard for belief as you do.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:48

(Reply to #95) #96

dogalmighty

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Work on your ability to reason, and then come on back...thanks. Have a good one.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 08:41

(Reply to #96) #97

Tin-Man

@Kenny Re: "But now I have

@Kenny Re: "But now I have no reason to continue wasting my time Peace!"

Awwwwww.... *frownie face*.... Poor little Kenny. Hey, don't go away mad.... Just.... Go away....

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:34

(Reply to #97) #98

Whitefire13

@Kenny re: “and it feels

@Kenny re: “and it feels like a waste of time”

Personally, I value “time”. People of the past are dead. People of the future aren’t here. I am, it’s my turn, and so I value the time I have.

If you learn, even a little, it’s not a “waste”...if you apply what you learn (even a little) “use” it, it’s not a waste...if you had some “fun” while learning (even a little, with hard topics), it’s not a waste.

IMO

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 01:02

#99

boomer47

@Thread

Translation:

" I have achieved that for which I came here;

The nasty atheists have been mean to me. I will therefore take my ball and go home in a sulk. OF courseI feel suitably superior and martyred. "

---and that my friends is the purpose of an atheist forum for believers like poor smug-and -ever -so-certain-Kenny.

There are times I wish I could be so certain about well ,anything really .
This atheist has never once claimed to KNOW there is no god. I don't believe and demand evidence. So far, no believer coming to this site has been able to provide any.

The last one, going off in a sulk made it very clear it has yet to grasp the notion of 'evidence' let alone the basics of reasoned discourse or even the simplest of logical fallacies, which he hurls around with gay abandon. Just like the fool who thinks if he yells, a deaf person will be able to hear him, and the person not speaking his language will be able to understand -----having not yet even having grasped the difference between claim an argument

I'm afraid my screen name says it all; I'm a cranky old man who is unable to suffer fools. That's why I did not even try to argue with Kenny. I owe him nothing. He came here. He either pisses or gets off the pot.,

Oh, the '47' is simply the year of my birth.

So bye Kenny, don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 01:21

(Reply to #99) #100

Sheldon

@cranky47

A beautifully crafted, weighted and fair summation of Kenny's woeful contributions, well done sir.

Somewhere someone is shouting "oh my god, they've killed Kenny"

Sadly I fear he has the same grasp of reality that I have of string theory, perhaps less of a grasp even, since he can't even use a dictionary.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 03:03

(Reply to #100) #101

boomer47

@Sheldon.

"A beautifully crafted, weighted and fair summation of Kenny's woeful contributions, well done sir."

I say, how terribly kind of you.

I was worried that I might have come across as a bit reticent.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 08:46

(Reply to #101) #102

Tin-Man

@Cranky Re: "I was worried

@Cranky Re: "I was worried that I might have come across as a bit reticent."

Nope. You nailed, and did so in a most clear and concise manner. Bravo!

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:47

(Reply to #102) #103

Whitefire13

Eh, Cranks “ the '47' is

Eh, Cranks “ the '47' is simply the year of my birth.”

Is that why you thought I was old?!?! Lol! (really old voice...I was born the year before Jesus started to rule over the earth)

Actually, my use of 13 has some literal and symbolic meaning for me...day of birth, “transformative”, “unlucky (LOL nope)...

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 06:43

(Reply to #103) #104

Whitefire13

@Cranky “ OF courseI feel

@Cranky “ OF courseI feel suitably superior and martyred. "

AND decent. Don’t forget DECENT.

Didn’t once fuckin’ call us names or swear or anything INDECENT

Lol. Hahahahaha lol fuckin’ twit!!!!

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 02:44

#105

Sheldon

I found this explanation of

I found this explanation of the irrational mindset.

"Irrational behavior is one of the most difficult behaviors to deal with. When someone is being irrational, they don't listen to reason, logic, or even common sense. ... And until that need is fulfilled, or they snap out of it, theirrational person can be unpredictable and sometimes even dangerous."

It's like it was written with Kenny33 in mind...he did seem to be on the edge of anger most of the time....

There was a young man named Kenny,

whose logical fallacies were many,

though evidence he hadn't any.

His relentless irrational insistance,

Of his unevidenced deities existence,

Was irksome, and annoyed many.

Eyefangew....

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:40

#106

Whitefire13

Wow Sheldon! I was under the

Wow Sheldon! I was under the “impression” that when a person uses logic they turn into a “robot”...

Nice poem!

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:42

#107

dogalmighty

@theykilledkenny

"I am a person that believes in reason... if someone presents to me a set of options (a,b,c, etc..) and I have to choose one, I will choose the option with the highest chance of being correct (I guess it is common sense!)"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, breath...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...chortle, cough...can't breath...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

So believing is something that has zero objective evidence in reality is reasonable?

ROTFLMAO...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, breath...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...chortle, cough...can't breath...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Oh wait a second...I just read all the posts...you are serious....:o

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, breath...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...chortle, cough...can't breath...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

I love delusional people...

Wooooo hoooo hooo hooo hooo ahhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hoooo plorxh sputtle cough...

Objective evidence please...

Bwwwaaaaaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaa haaaaa haaa haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:50

#108

Whitefire13

Oh fuck, ‘lovin’monkey ...the

Oh fuck, ‘lovin’monkey ...the biggest reason I post/read here...

To find a place where laughter makes me pee my pants ...(I just tell my kids I’m old)

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 04:53

#109

Cognostic

@Kenny: "first cause

@Kenny: "first cause argument." Your post was clearly addressed and all of us understood it. It is not our fault that you came onto the site with a shitload of irrational beliefs and wild ass assumptions. Why don't you go and look up the "Fallacious nature of all first cause arguments." You can not get from the EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE to a FIRST CAUSE for the existence of the universe. You can't even get to a "First cause for the expansion, that I know of." I have heard a couple of possibilities but nothing is actually settled that I am aware of. Clearly your post was efficiently and productively addressed. "It's just another idiotic first cause argument."

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 05:03

(Reply to #109) #110

dogalmighty

SMBH's may cause another

SMBH's may cause another singularity and universe rebirth. If the rate of consumption exceeds the rate of decay, they may all get together and have a party that will pack in the guests.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 05:13

#111

Whitefire13

Oh for FUCK’s sake you apes!!

Oh for FUCK’s sake you apes!!! How many times do I need to say it?!?!??

god/it/creator/agent/thingy BROKE through into physical AND died!!!!!

Jesus fuckin’ Christ!

Now, you fuckin’ scientists “GET on that - and get me some proof! Or are you “scared” you’ll prove me right?!?!?”

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 06:36

#112

David Killens

When an OP casually invokes

When an OP casually invokes special pleading and state they are rational, there comes a day they run out of woo woo and excuses.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 06:59

(Reply to #112) #113

dogalmighty

Today, is that day.

Thu, 05/07/2020 - 09:38

#114

Sheldon

There's a Kenny shaped hole

There's a Kenny shaped hole in my life, as usual I will fill the void with alcohol, it's a tried and tested method.

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