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A long time ago someone told me that one of the purposes religion servers in societies was to limit sexual access to females of prime breeding age (and by limit they meant to skew the distribution of these women away from similar aged men and towards a smaller group of older and more powerful men). I didn't believe it, but the hypothesis was so shocking I never forgot it. And while it is probably just confirmation bias: over the years I keep seeing things that remind me of it. And while even I'm not cynical enough to endorse it, what I see in the world makes it creep into my mind from time to time. This thread was one of those times.
I just hate the Cult of Virginity!!!
so how can you judge the woman what is your relationship standards . can you accept anykind of women ? are you that open ? can you be in a relationship with a pornstar or a hooker ? don't you get jealous of your partner ? .. just try to understand your point of view .. and what is a good woman in your opinion . help me to find out how are you thinking . and again i don't mean only you .. i mean the majority in where you live .
so how can you judge the woman what is your relationship standards . can you accept anykind of women ? are you that open ? can you be in a relationship with a pornstar or a hooker ? don't you get jealous about your partner ? .. just try to understand your point of view .. and what is a good woman in your opinion . help me to find out how are you thinking . and again i don't mean only you .. i mean the majority in where you live .
I can speak only for myself.
I would not be in any sexual relationship with any woman, since I'm a straight female. I don't have a problem, however with anyone's choice when it comes to consensual sexual. If a woman wants to make a living selling access to her vagina, I don't care.
You ask what I think a good woman is. She is someone who does not hurt others on purpose. And consensual sex does NOT hurting anyone.
you said "If a woman wants to make a living selling access to her vagina, I don't care."
well if you respect sex , you won't accept such idea .
let me ask you not about her but about you , would you do the same thing to get money ? is it right in your opinion ?
Would I do the same thing to get money? Why do you assume I haven't already?
Have you ?
Does it matter?
actually i concern about the majority and how they define the good woman in west ... but you told that you can only talk about yourself , so if you find selling access to your vagina is a right thing , why not just say i sell access to my vagina for money .. stop playing games and be honest . what is your answer ?
You hate the cult of virginity? Hmm. Do you happen to know where their cult meetings are held? Maybe we can pick off some of the strays
@Jo "how they define the good woman in west"
Well we look at their teeth, and we check the soles of their feet for excessive wear from standing in the kitchen.
What do any your questions have to do with atheism? You sound like a misogynistic, prurient dickhead from some patriarchal backwater.
so when i say that having sex should be only in a serious relationship or marriage .. that means to you i'm misogynistic ! ... Are the majority in where you live think like you ? ... Isn't it important for you people to have a serious relationship !
Myself i want marry a virgin woman ... i don't like bitches.
@Jo: "Myself i want marry a virgin woman ... i don't like bitches."
You may be setting your sights a little high there. I'm sure you can find a nice poodle or chihuahua that might accept a man like you.
Well . i'm not interested in chihuahua or poodle ... may be you better than me in that field .
"i'm not interested in chihuahua or poodle "
Then you'd better grow up and learn that women aren't possessions. They aren't "bitches". They are human beings like you and I, and they should be respected for that.
Troll alert
At this point I'm waiting for the blame western values for the creation of homosexuality shoe to drop.
Let's say there is no marriage between couples and there is no need to sign a contract , ok ... but when 2 persons want to be in a relationship .. do they let people know , i mean the family and friends ... do they let them know that they in a relationship together before having sex ... do they deny to cheat on each others .. do they know each other well before all that happens .... or is it going with no commitments in europe .... i'm confused i can't understand how is it going there ?!!
Jo: i'm confused
Yes. You are confused.
Hi Jo,
What you need is the book: Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex: But Were Afraid to Ask, by David Reuben. It is available from Amazon. Read that, it should answer all your questions.
okay .. i can do that , thanks .
Jo here in the west people often treat relationships like purchasing a car. Most people in the west like to test drive(some prefer a short rental period only) their potential mate before signing on the dotted line. That way if you find out the two of you are incompatible you can go your separate ways. Most people in the west consider “test driving” better than living in an unhappy union where a couple does not enjoy each other for a variety of personal reasons. Staying in an unhappy marriage because a society pressures or shames a couple to do is not considered a pleasant way to live in the west.
@ImFree "people often treat relationships like purchasing a car."
I think our friend Jo is in favor of that approach for men, but not for women.
As someone who lives in the "West" (albeit in countries that are further east than China), I have reservations about your "test driving" idea. I've seen a lot of friends marry and divorce. It looks like a very expensive, stressful and hurtful process for all concerned, especially the children, and I sometimes wish people would try a little harder.
I think our friend Jo is in favor of that approach for men, but not for women.
that's not true .
I think our friend Jo is in favor of that approach for men, but not for women.
that's not true .
I think our friend Jo is in favor of that approach for men, but not for women.
that's not true .
@Algebe
I agree, considering marriage laws in gynocentric family court systems, a man can lose lots of money; half of his wealth and required to pay alimony and child support. In fact, if one lives in an area where common law marriage applies, living with a woman can be expensive as well. Add no-fault divorce to the mix and the man is taking considerable risk if the union does not work out. In such cases, some men are choosing to only date when both the man and woman live separately. There is a book out titled “Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters” by Helen Smith
The times they are a-changing as Bob Dylan would say.
As long as this situation remains profitable for lawyers, it's not likely to change. Marriage seriously needs to be brought up to date. It's an iron age tribal institution in the 21st century. Perhaps we need two levels of marriage: companionship marriage and parenthood marriage. One pattern that I've observed over the years is that the bigger and flashier the wedding, the shorter and unhappier the marriage will be.
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