We often debate about this with my friends and to come to an extreme win. We say it is partly part of one's identity because it controls how they think. How ever religious ideologies change over time but identity does not . This is all I have got to say please share your thoughts
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So your question would be "Is religion part of ones identity" meaning the identity of one person not the identity that once existed? Religion is learned behavior, nothing more.
as much as I agree with you. I think it is something more than that because by the time when religion controlled education they was no alternative ideology but that didn't stop people from thinking differently
The ancient Egyptians thought animals were gods because they could predict the weather better than the most educated man.
If our identity is what defines us, or how we define ourselves, then it is impacted by everything we think and feel. But, I think you are wrong about one thing, our identity does change. I am not talking about your name or the physical body it is attached to, even though those can change as well, but something deeper. I am NOT exactly the same man that I was a decade ago, I have changed in a number of ways because of experiences and age, so "I" have changed and so has my identity.
I mean there is part of identity that doesn't change like sexual orientation so all am trying to say is that religion should not be a big deal
From what I understand, even sexual orientation can change sometimes.Religion most definitely can change, and it is seen rather often. Furthermore, people who have a different sexual orientation do not try to make laws forcing their orientation on others, or staggering amounts of time and money telling us "non-homosexuals" how we should live. So, no, I don't consider them to be all that similar.
yeah I find it annoying how society views and understands religion as part of identity but does not understand sexual orientation that much and give it a high level of respect.
If any number of mutable and changing variables are what make up our identity, it would be a little odd to consider identity to be static and unchanging, because it would be constantly evolving and changing throughout our lives.
May be there is much more involved in identity than we think and imagine. Because we have very different moral standards and values. My hypothesis is that religion is more of a value than an identity. Because as one of the most developed species we have the option to value and evaluate things in life
In some country, religion literally part of ones identity. It's included in personal documents such as valid ID's, birth certificate, marriage certificate and more. Atheists on those country can't leave religious areas blank in some forms and documents. such a silly identity requirement!
Yeah it is because they want to make segregation and isolation on the bases of religion easier.
Religion is a way to control people.
Folks are indoctrinated at an early age so that the belief system becomes part of them, part of their personality.
It isn't really WHO they are, it's just the brainwashing.
i agree with you
"We say it is partly part of one's identity because it controls how they think. How ever religious ideologies change over time but identity does not ."
So are many evil things could shape your identity.
If you were raped, your identity will be effected a bit
If you had cancer it could also shape your identity.
This argument is basically saying that religion can effect your life.
I think everybody agrees on that, the problem is that theists only see the FEW good parts they choose to see and ignore the bad parts because they got used to them.
They got used to be mentally enslaved.
They got used to never doubt what god wants.
The funny part is that the bible doubts god in the OT and it was a common thing.
Let me show you an example of what would have happened if if god judgment was not questioned in one of the weirdest chapters of the bible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CFbwqyZQF0
The moral of the story;
Always complain and question the god of the bible.
interesting
Yes. Religion is definitely part of one's identity. I was once a religiously aligned person but by the age of reason that alignment had naturally given way to logic. I was 8 years old.
Those few cognitive years spent aligned with religion left a life-time impression on me about people subscribing to belief systems. I understand why they remain aligned with them and I empathize with them. There's comfort in the various belief systems that most people cannot denounce as the fraud that it is. Fear is a very polarizing thing. Hence the expression god-fearing. It's not that they fear god. It's that they fear an existence without one. That's a very cold and lonely thought.
So, yes, religion is a staple of life whether you've lived within it and eventually denounced it, or remain aligned with it. Either way, it's part of the human condition (said Pavlov to his dogs).
Well on my side as much us I understand and respect their right to do whatever they with their life I dont want to watch their propaganda pollute society or isolate anyone in any form shape or way
Agreed, at the fundamental level of the intent to perpetrate a fraud. But, if the activities of a belief system are true to their beliefs it isn't so much propaganda as it is teaching. It is you who choose to see it as propaganda. That's the difference.
Yes, I agree there are people who are fraudulently engaged and interested only in the profits of belief-mongering to the gullible. That's unfortunate. But I don't believe it to be a wholesale truth of belief systems. Most are genuinely aligned with the precepts of their chosen beliefs and conduct themselves in that manner. Trying to point out the abusers in their ranks is an exercise in separating pepper from fly dung. It's the knowledge that they exist that frustrates both theists and atheists alike. In that they have a common cause.