should atheists have a solidarity with believers of satanism

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Damien Ba'al's picture
While I agree with your

While I agree with your assessment in regard to theist or traditional Satanism, the majority of Satanists are actually atheistic. The fact that you didn't mention atheistic Satanists shows value distinct lack of knowledge von the topic of Satanism.

I'm just going to be speaking for The Satanic Temple, but there are actually other atheistic Satanists too. I have varying world view of scientific and philosophical skepticism. Meaning every objective statement must have a basis in reason or empirical evidence. As such I find the god concept to be an utterly ridiculous philosophical proposition, and supernaturalism as a whole for that matter.

We don't believe in a literal/personal Satan. To us, Satan is a metaphorical construct based on the Satan character as portrayed in classic literature. In this way the Satan archetype symbolizes certain ideals.

Satan symbolizes the outcast and the eternal rebel against the ultimate authoritarian. It is the unbowed will, the rejection of arbitrary social convention and unjust laws, and is adversarial to supernatural-based religions, particularly the majority religion which asserts its privilege in our culture.

When I say "hail Satan", it is merely an affirmation of the ideals which it symbolizes.

Hopefully this clears things up regarding the nature of Satanism.

-Damien Ba'al

Aman Mgtow Pro's picture
well that is because society

well that is because society doesn't tell us the story from the other side but what is your definition for satanism

Damien Ba'al's picture
Satanism is a religion of

Satanism is a religion of opposition, it is adversarial. As a left hand path religion, it is about individualism. The discovery, acceptance, and fulfillment of self. There must also be some sort of tradition of Satan. For TST it is a literary Satan, for the Church of Satan it is Lavey's Rand-inspired philosophy. The tradition of Satan can also be theistic, but theist variations have a small number of members, so usually not.

Aman Mgtow Pro's picture
nice to hear from you i also

nice to hear from you i also did some research because i love knowing stories from different perspectives since the way a group defines its self and the way others define are totally different since society is full of bias

SBMontero's picture
Atheistic satanists are like

Atheistic satanists are like atheist Catholics, or as atheist Muslims, or as atheistic Jews, or as atheist sintoists, that is an oxymoron, a stupidity. If you want to be an atheist, it's simple, I'm an atheist. Do you want to be a Satanist? You're free to be, but don't tell me bullshit.

"the Satan archetype symbolizes certain ideals", well, being an atheist doesn't symbolize anything at all, that's the difference, and when you say hail satan you're doing exactly the same as when someone says allah akbar, or god bless us, or Devar Elokim... you know, something symbolic. But, if you need an atheist symbol, Bertrand Russell is your man ¬¬)-~

Truett's picture
All hail Bertrand Russell!

All hail Bertrand Russell! Seriously. He is one of my intellectual heroes.

Truett's picture
This thread is super old, but

This thread is super old, but since I've written a post here I should go ahead and respond to the original question about satanism. Hell no, Atheists should not align themselves with satanists. Damn, it's ridiculous. I left religion, so no way does it make sense to climb into another ridiculous belief system. And the original post bemoans satanists being demonized. What? Anyone anxious to avoid demonization should avoid naming themselves after the mystical lord of demons. And expecting Atheists, who polling indicates are the most distrusted group in America, to begin aligning with the only group that would likely do worse in a trustworthy survey is not a very good expectation. I need a satanism label like I need a hole in my head. Thanks but no thanks. I'm willing to fight, and fight hard, but only for things worth fighting for. Satan isn't worth fighting for. Save your satanism for Halloween, shed the mystic nomenclature and come join Atheists in the Atheism camp.

SBMontero's picture
If someone came to the door

If someone came to the door of my house and said, "Please sign this petition to show solidarity with religion, because there are people who are being persecuted for their religion in North Korea", I would say that I'm atheist and that I can Solidarity with the human beings who are being persecuted in North Korea, but not with their beliefs, let alone with religion, whatever.
When someone says "I'm Satanist and atheist" it's as if he says "I'm sexually impotent and have huge erections when I get high"... and your doctor laughs in your face.

I have no particular disgust because we're asked for solidarity with the "satanists", I would do the same if they asked me with Christians, after all a Satanist is a Christian, Although they don't know -ignorance is very daring-, or with sintoistas, I don't care. I'm not interested and, as an atheist, I feel quite insulted when compared me with someone who makes the sign of the evil eye as if that were the international greeting of atheists, highly insulted.

Johnny Moronic's picture
"Watch the demonization of

"Watch the demonization of one.." Hehehe... Was that intentional?

Drakaris Oscuras's picture
If you guys read the Satanic

If you guys read the Satanic Bible (which I actually recommend, it's a nice read), it's actually not devil worship. It's about life philosophies, like how in an individual's personal world, they are the most important person to exist, "Love who you should, hate who you should", Survival of the Fittest, and others.

When we do stuff like rituals, it's all to vent out emotions. The difference is that we know it's not real.
When we go "associate ourselves with the devil", like wearing their symbols, sometimes we do it to see reactions from theists. Sometimes we do it for fun.

LaVey has also taught us about The Satanic Rules of the Earth, which are basically the most basic forms of human kindness, like: (5)Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal, (8)Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself, (9)Do not harm little children, etc. Though there are some exceptions to the kindness: (3) When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there (that's not the exception, it's just followed by) (4) If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. (11) When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

And lastly, the most basic part of Satanism is enjoying your life, referred to as self-indulgence.

(Since the last message was sent 4 days ago, I don't know if I'm necro-bumping. If I am, my apologies, and just delete this.)

Aman Mgtow Pro's picture
what i found this during my

what i found this during my research

gcibulka's picture
If you're interested in

If you're interested in Satanism, you should read The Satanic Bible, by Anton Szandor LaVey. It was written in the 1960s, and outlines an anti-theist/atheist religion, which Lavey dubs "Satanism", and the followers of which would be "Satanists", as opposed to people who actually believe Satan literally exists who he calls "devil-worshippers".

Stephen Scray's picture
I am actually a satanist

I am actually a satanist following the doctrines of Anton Lavey.
Satanism isn't so much as a religion in any aspect, it is more aligned with a philosophy instead.
A lot of our choices are based around humanistic ideas, meaning that we're all animals in the respective sense, and that denying us as humans our primal desires is wrong. A lot of other satanists I've met were like me, atheist in the beginning but they approached satanism with an open mind.
I think satanists and atheists can get along very well if both spent the time to understand our wants and desires.
to give you a quick rundown of what Satan stands for in the "religion"
Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

So to anyone disregarding satanism, I'd highly suggest they look into the pseudo religion rather than just toss it to the side.

Thank you.

MCDennis's picture
Duhhh. Atheists don't

Duhhh. Atheists don't believe in gods or devils

Mark Wall's picture
Given some of the comments, I

Given some of the comments, I'm not sure that everyone here understands atheism. As far as I'm concerned, atheism is the opposite of theism and theism is the worship of gods or deities. Satanism (i.e., worship of satan / the devil) is worshiping a deity. Even is you don't believe that the worship of an anti-christ is in itself religious, doing so acknowledges deities and validates religion. As an atheist, I don't believe in gods, deities, satan, mythical creatures etc. etc.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Mark - Satanism (i.e.,

Mark - Satanism (i.e., worship of satan / the devil) is worshiping a deity.

You should probably read this:

LaVeyan Satanism - The religion is materialist, rejecting the existence of supernatural beings, body-soul dualism, and life after death. Practitioners do not believe that the character of Satan literally exists and do not worship him.

Sky Pilot's picture
While the concept of atheism

While the concept of atheism is old the modern word "atheist" was created in the 1570s by the Catholics as a curse word for the French Protestants who were fighting a series of wars for religious freedom.

In the Bible the Sadducees were sort of atheists. While they believed in God they said that angels, demons, spirits, and resurrections were BS. So in effect they rejected a lot of the Jewish religious fairy tale.

SBMontero's picture
@Aman lover of love: I'm an

@Aman lover of love: I'm an atheist, I see no reason to be in solidarity with any belief, personally I think it's stupid. Another issue is that, not as an atheist, as a human being, I believe that everyone has the right to have the beliefs they think fit, as long as they do not claim to impose on the rest of humanity.

I see no difference between the religions of the book and Satanism, as between the religions of the book and the worship of the Virgin Mary, or Muhammad.

Do you see anything?

Omosh's picture
being in solidarity with

being in solidarity with Satanists against discrimination is not wrong,just as being in solidarity with Christians being discriminated in a geography filled with Islam extremists, the interesting part about Satanists is that they are atheists,are you asking if atheists should stay in solidarity with other atheists? Yes.

Beagleman's picture
I've read the Satanist's 7

I've read the Satanist's 7 Tenets and I have to wonder what this organization actually has to do with Satan. They seem to have much the same ideas as any other atheist. That being said, practically everyone I care about in my life is either a Christian or has some basic belief in God. I've got enough problems being the only atheist on the block without throwing the word Satan in there and REALLY freaking everyone out. So,no--I don't want anything to do with Satanists.

BAACKJD's picture
I imagine calling themselves

I imagine calling themselves Satanists is an attempt at being inflammatory, and a successful one at that. To me it just seems a silly, childish and anti-intellectual way to brand their beliefs. I think if they want to be respected by atheists, they need to ditch the nonsensical title. It's just stupid.

dragondagoth's picture
"Satanism begins with atheism

"Satanism begins with atheism" -Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest, Church of Satan.

I'm not entirely certain why atheists would want solidarity with one another or Satanists for that matter. One thing atheists /Satanists share in common is, the lack of belief in a creator, deity, etc., that is not a basis for standing in solidarity with each other unless some worthwhile bonds are created once two or more people have some substance in an interpersonal relationship, and have some common-ground to communicate on. Suffice to say, atheism is empty in and of itself, it's just a position that one holds because, there are no gods, devils, boogeymen etc.
There are plenty of religions that are non-theistic (Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism etc), and plenty of philosophies that are atheistic and/ or anti-theistic (Diagoras, Democritus, Ludwig Feuerbach, Friedrich Nietzsche, Objectivism: Ayn Rand, etc.). Satanism happens to be one of those. It is atheistic and both a religion (albeit unconventional) and a philosophy that also rejects spirituality. Satanism was created in the 1960's by Anton Szandor LaVey, who wrote the Satanic Bible.
Satanists do not proselytize their religion, and there is no requirement for Satanists -- to out -- his or her self. Satanism also explicitly expresses to its adherents that they are the sole bearers of their actions -- for better, or for worse -- therefore, Satanists akin to atheists will more than likely choose confidants well when expressing their innate worldly views and not waste their time and efforts explaining what it is to people who do not get it in the first place.

xenoview's picture
Necromancy at work! Let the

Necromancy at work! Let the dead thread die!

BAACKJD's picture


I know, I just couldn't help myself.

Christopher D Little's picture
Having read through this post

Having read through this post and ALL of its attendant commentary, this Satanist would just like to say that I would not align with 99.95% of you. The majority of you still subscribe to the Christian belief of what Satanism supposedly is, despite being told repeatedly by actual Satanists, no less, that our religious philosophy has nothing to do with the worshiping of any devils or any belief in some sort of supernatural deities.

Why on Earth would I want to align with a group that is still being unconsciously controlled by the Christian majority? What's even worse is the smugness so many of you display in your own ignorance.

How very Christian of you. Align with that? Get real.


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Truett's picture
I get that Satanists don't

I get that Satanists don't believe in Satan. And I get that Satanists are Atheists and subscribe to the same denial of deities that I do. My two objections are that I don't want to align with ANY religion, even those that deny a deity, and I don't want to burden myself with an unwanted label. I wouldn't accept an Arsonists-R-Us label, even if they had no affiliation with arson. Or a Hades-made-me-do-it label or anything that unnecessarily arms my theistic opponents with more water muddying ammunition. I want to address and conquer theistic bullshit, not advocate for a god free religion. Anyone that wants a god free religion is welcome to it, but when asked to align with them I will refuse, as I've done in my previous comments.

xenoview's picture
Necromancy at work on old

Necromancy at work on old thread.

bigbill's picture
well Satanism is a practice

well Satanism is a practice that worships satan, while atheism is no gods or god belief, there both anti god as far as I see it. people should be accepted for doing both the way we have freedom of religion the same way with this subject. every one has there own opinion so there is nothing that we can do really.alot of Satanist are private individuals they don`t claim there rights as a group there kind of on the outside of society. on the outer fringes if you will. What they need to do is what atheist followers do and that is unite and get moving on things.As long as they keep to themselves they will never be afforded the rights they deserve.

stimoceiver's picture
I'm not sure most Atheists

I'm not sure most Atheists are ready for Left Hand Path Magickal practice. Most seem to confuse Satanism with mere anti-Jehovaism, when in reality LaVeyan Satanism shares with ritual magick and esotericism a goal of evolution-of-consciousness (awareness and volition), and shares with Machiavelli's The Prince, a goal of a kind of self-deification.

Shawnacy McManus's picture
Most satanist are atheist, it

Most satanist are atheist, it was set up by Anton LaVey as an atheistic religion. They believe Satan is an archetype for personal individuality and rejection of oppressive authority. Not a physical and thinking being.


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