Shroud of Turin actually proves the Resurrection of Jesus.
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It proves the resurrection?
And yet, radiocarbon dating tests dating of a piece of it as being from the middle ages... roughly between the years 1260 and 1390.
There also evidence of the weaving of shrouds from the era and region that do not match the turin shroud.
It is bollocks.
Which makes sense; the first appearance of the Shroud of Turin in history is from 1357.
Greetings, after reading this thread I decided to open an account and reply to you. I see a lot of simpletons in this thread, hence I chose my username. I won't linger around in the forums of the Atheist "Zoo", as I have a good idea of what sort of behavior is typically exhibited in such forums. To the point then.. The first appearance of the Shroud is not from 1357. Sources mention and describe it as back as the 2nd century AD. The Shroud made its way to Syria and probably Antioch along with the early Church. It remained in Edessa until it was brought to Constantinople by the Byzantine General John Kourkouas on August 15th 944. Historian Scylitzes mentions this. One of other many sources is eye witness Crusader Robert de Clari (, who mentions and describes it in 1203. A year before the sack of Constantinople by the Fourth Crusade and the theft of the Shroud by the Crusaders. Also on August 1st 1205, Theodore Angelos (brother of Emperor Michael I Komnenos Doukas) writes to Pope Innocent III protesting the sack, the theft of the relics and the Shroud itself. The Shroud probably made its way to France between 1204-1230 and was kept hidden, since Pope Innocent III excommunicated the participants of the Fourth Crusade. Being caught with the Shroud was incriminating evidence. Other pieces of Jesus burial cloth besides the shroud were also sent to France in separate shipments, which included the head piece. Knowledge.. Seek and you will find.
Robert de Clari, Chapter 92 Church of St. Mary of Blachernae.
"But among the rest, there was also another of the minsters, which was called the Church of my Lady Saint Mary of Blachernae, within which was the shroud wherein Our Lord was wrapped. And on every Friday that shroud did raise itself upright, so that the form of Our Lord could clearly be seen. And none knows - neither Greek nor Frank - what became of that shroud when the city was taken."
P.s. "Atheist Forum" desperately needs a few moderators to improve quality.. Curb the rabid baboons among you. They only do damage to your "communities" image.
You say "seek and you will find"...which probably explains for example why there are more than one foreskins of Jesus about the place. Can you demonstrate that there is just one burial cloth of Jesus, and can you demonstrate an unbroken chain of provenance?
Right! I can claim the scrap wood in my backyard is from the cross of Jesus, then show that people mentioned the cross of Jesus long ago. That does not make the wood in my backyard that old.
You have no faith see, which is a good thing trust me. As if you did you'd be posting the kind of moronic verbiage this latest idiot has chosen to share with others in public, and you'd look as big an angry ill informed arse as he currently does.
Faith is a bad thing if you don't want to believe things that are ludicrous.
Another drive by religious cretin, with a ludicrously low bar for credulity in risible fairy tales, posts a tirade of unevidenced verbiage about an asinine myth, then claps himself on the back, then *IMMEDIATELY fucks off and is never seen again.
Well ok, the last part was more me hoping.
It's been dated, it's most probably one of countless fakes the RCC has perpetrated, that dates from the middle ages. Or we have something vaguely unusual that we currently can't explain, making claims about it being a miracle argument from ignorance fallacies.
Atheist forum desperately needs not to laugh this hard, so it might be prudent to stop you posting anymore.
I see a lot of simpletons in this thread, hence I chose my username.
An arrogant, deluded prick...
I won't linger around in the forums of the Atheist "Zoo"
a coward who lacks the backbone to engage in proper debate...
your "communities" image
a sub-literate loon who doesn't know the difference between plural and possessive...
curb the rabid baboons among you.
and a purblind nitwit who obviously hasn't read any of the many, many reports about the behavior of non-atheist rabid baboons abusing children while working for various branches of Christian churches
Awww.. 'Algebe', now you hurt my feelings! It seems you don't like it when a Christian exhibits typical atheist behavior, yet I didn't see you dragging your moaning over the nasty comments made by the troglodytes that adhere to your atheist ideology. Delusion, arrogance, and hypocrisy, runs rampant among your ranks. What's the matter? You don't like Christians that don't turn the other cheek?
If you don't have anything to contribute to my posts or refute anything I said.. which I highly doubt, since many in this thread are historically challenged.. Kindly "Fuck off". Thanks!
since many in this thread are historically challenged.
That has got to be the comment that wins the interweb today. I would have snorted half a glass of shiraz out me nose but for the 3rd Commandment of AR when I read that. Oh LOL.....You have to be "historically challenged" to take any of the biblical stories halfway seriously...and then claim that the Shroud Of Turin is a genuine relic...from a man/god who has absolutely no historical footprint...oh man that is so funny.
LOL best thing I have seen on this forum. *still chuckling and consoling an only slightly startled cat"
Oh you're still here. I thought you said you weren't going to hang around to engage in debate. But then I shouldn't be surprised by lies from a Xtian.
And you're irony challenged. Christianity is an amalgam of fake history and manufactured relics, dating back to Empress Helena's so-called discovery of the true cross and nails. You lot have been slobbering over bits of wood and cloth ever since. The Shroud of Turin has been conclusively shown to be a medieval fake by carbon dating and analysis of the cloth used.
Kindly "Fuck off". Thanks!
And you take your shroud and shove it.
You don't like Christians that don't turn the other cheek?
Never encountered that animal.
since many in this thread are historically challenged...
Where is your irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence?
Until you can provide irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence, your preposterous schizophrenic delusion is summarily dismissed.
Look Ma! Another Trinity. He uses the plural form to describe himself.
If that is so, then how come this "shroud" only dates back to the 12 century CE (notice not BCE)?
Again, if this is so, then why is the oldest radiocarbon dating of the "shroud" to the 12th century CE. The EARLIEST year of the 12th century would be 1100 CE.
Actually, they allow us rabid curs to deal with the TRUE rabid curs known as Religious Absolutists.
Hi UA. You wrote, “P.s. "Atheist Forum" desperately needs a few moderators to improve quality.. Curb the rabid baboons among you. They only do damage to your "communities" image.”
I’m one of the Forum mods. Based on your suggestion, it appears you haven’t the same level of the commitment to welcoming disparate opinions and thoughts as I do. Hmmm...perhaps I’m just more generous than you. If you become increasingly concerned about being a part of a community with a damaged image, I suppose you could always walk away. Up to you, of course.
Oh, look! It's a condom that someone used on jesus' ass. Let us put in a glass box and charge people to see it. It can't be fake because I found it just as I was praying.
I swear all christians are fucking morons!
Holy fuck that made me laugh out loud fair play. I'm still giggling, on Easter weekend as well, damn funny that was.
Legend has it that it was the very condom that Satan used on him in a drunken night of passion while Gabriel jerked it in the closet! Legend also has it that Satan's dick was so long that it ruptured Jesus's lower intestine!
He couldn't walk again for like, three days!
No wonder he didn't mind being nailed to a fucking cross.... nothing's gonna bother you if you've got a bumhole like a broken cat flap!
"Oh, look! It's a condom that someone used on jesus' ass. Let us put in a glass box and charge people to see it. It can't be fake because I found it just as I was praying. I swear all christians are fucking morons!"
Now that was funny, I miss Mykob4, I know he had a certain "edge" to him, but damn he made me laugh mun.
This is the best thread of the month. I needed a good laugh.
Deep in the bowls of the Vatican, there is a vault filled with 1st-century sex toys. As there was no jesus of the time, not even the letter "J", none are attributed to jesus. All are considered holy and are named so.
The holy dildo
The holy buttplug
The holy cockring
Dan Brown only needs to write an exciting adventure story about it.
So it turns out that when Emperor Constantine's mother Helena went to Jerusalem to find artifacts, she found the lance that stabbed jesus, the holy grail, the shroud jesus was buried in that she lost in Turin even though she never went to Italy in her life, and a T-shirt that had "Jesus is a HOMO" on it. Now I contend that NONE of these are real but if you christians want to believe that they are, well I can't stop you. Of course in the first century, they weren't exactly politically correct. I don't jesus was gay because I don't think there was ever a jesus. If he did live and he was gay I don't think christianity would be so fucked up. Gays are generally creative and productive. Have you ever been in a major city in the USA and seen what gays do to rundown old neighborhoods? They revitalize them and make them the envy of the city!
Today I took a massive shit. I was just about to flush it down the sewer when I noticed it looked just like jesus. Thank GAWD I saved it. I packaged it up and sent it directly to the Vatican and I am anxiously awaiting their determination if it is indeed jesus. I have no idea what to do about this piss stain on my briefs that looks like muhammed.
Don't tell anyone, they'll kill you for depicting Muhammad!
It's a new take on the expression 'holy shit' anyway.
Did the halo give it away?
How the shroud was made:
So since you like YouTube videos I posted some!
Nice resources! Nothing like youtube to make things clear.
Shroud of Turin? I do not want to seem conceited, but I am above that!
OP @ The first appearance of the Shroud is not from 1357. Sources mention and describe it as back as the 2nd century AD. The Shroud made its way to Syria and probably Antioch along with
" the presence of the Turin Shroud in Lirey, France, is only undoubtedly attested in 1390 when Bishop Pierre d'Arcis wrote a memorandum where he charged that the Shroud was a forgery/"
From this point forward, there is no mystery as to the shrouds existence. The evidence of its existence prior to 1390 is spurious. There are hundreds of examples of people having the shroud or cloth with the head of Jesus on it prior to this date. These examples are unverified and only serve to demonstrate the forgeries that were being created and sold at the time.
Your Biblical accounts are only stories and not verified facts. So if you think you have an example with evidence of the same shroud prior to the 1390 date I would love to see it. Obviously the further back you go the better. If you have any actual evidence at all it would be interesting to read about. What you have are a whole lot of stories by Christians with no validation.
Could it be the same shroud? Certainly? But what is more likely? Christian forgers were popping out shrouds and selling them or one single shroud was passed hand to hand for 2000 years and managed to stay intact?
I don't really care if the above date is right or wrong. I could care less how old the shroud is. If you are going to assert it is as old as Jesus himself,,,,, YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT. Prove it with facts and evidence. It's just that simple. You do not get to assert the shroud into existence.