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Laughs!
Oxford English dictionary.
Atheism
Noun
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Well done Bullwinkle, it's been 30 seconds since an illiterate superstitious theists trotted out this moronic cliche.
"Someone who lacks belief in God. Hence Atheism is a belief,"
Priceless, please tell me you're being ironic.
" belief in a lack of belief "
You owe me a new irony meter. .
" Then lectures me on dictionaries,"
Silly me, what was I thinking.
How does the old adage go, "the moron that burns twice as bright, burns half as long", hell you won't last 24 hours at this rate Bullwinkle.
Now before you inevitably run away, do you want to buy the splinters of Jesus's cross or not, I'll throw in the used condom Jesus used on Mary Magdalene for free. So that's $150000, take it or leave it.
"Hey moron, the word atheist is purely a Greek word"
Not it's not, and even if it were it still isn't a denial of god, as you moronically claimed.
Did I thank the moderators yet for banning this idiot?
I just doubled checked the Encyclopedia Britannica. Yep, first appearance of the Shroud of Turin was in the middle of the 14th century, which is consistent with its radiometric dating.
It's almost as if it's all bollocks, uncanny!
That of course would represent objective evidence, so it won't even register with Bullwinkle.
Hardly surprising, he seems the sort to have suffered major head trauma recently...
"he seems the sort to have suffered major head trauma recently..."
Judging from his verbiage he seem to want others to suffer in a similar way.
@ Uneducated
Why are you calling yourself an atheist when you are a Religious Absolutist? You do know there is one thing all Religious Absolutists are incapable of do you not? It is called speaking the truth. I have yet to see even ONE Religious Absolutist capable of saying anything that is truth.
Oh, by the way, when it comes to being insulting, you should go look in a mirror. Your very first post was nothing more than a risible diatribe on insults. Another trait of all Religious Absolutists. But since you were the first to throw insults, I guess it is alright for me to throw them right back at ya? Maybe? Please? Aw, c'mon, I did say "please."
And I was wrong in my previous posts. And I freely admit I was wrong. This is another trait Religious Absolutists are incapable of, admitting when they are wrong.
"After years of discussion, the Holy See permitted radiocarbon dating on portions of a swatch taken from a corner of the shroud. Independent tests in 1988 at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology concluded with 95% confidence that the shroud material dated to 1260–1390 CE. This 13th to 14th century CE dating is much too recent for the shroud to have been associated with Jesus of Nazareth. The dating does on the other hand match the first appearance of the shroud in church history (circa 1390 CE).
I have yet to see any atheist use all uppercase letters except on a single word or two. And then the only reason is due to the severely limited methods of putting emphasis on a word of text in our posts. Yes we have bold and italics, but that is it. Even I am used to being able to use color every once in a while. Thus, to use extra emphasis on a word we can use both bold and italics. And to really put extra extra emphasis, we can use UPPPERCASE and bold and italic. Me? I much prefer the ability to use bold, italic, and/or color to provide different levels of emphasis. Using all uppercase only shows a person's lack of intelligence. (CAN ANY OF YOU PROVE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE SHROUDS? OR THE EXISTENCE OF MULTIPLE SHROUDS IN THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE?!) Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge…
And to answer your intelligence lacking questions,
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.
Oh! Damnit! I am an atheist and forgot to use all uppercase. Damnit.
That is Latin for:
"He who says he does not have the burden of proof is a liar."
Your favorite tactic is to turn the burden of proof around by saying (in your case),
CAN ANY OF YOU PROVE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE SHROUDS? OR THE EXISTENCE OF MULTIPLE SHROUDS IN THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE?!
Pathetic cop-out which only a childish and spoiled brat would resort to in a discussion. Funny how that also describes all Religious Absolutists. Childish, spoiled brats.
Here is actually where the burden of proof lies. You are adding your claim that this "shroud" being the real shroud used to wrap the body of your Magic Zombie Virgin. Us Atheists are simply saying, “We do not believe you. Show us the evidence.” Thus, the burden of proof is on you, the claimant.
The burden of proof shall forever lie with those who make the claims about anything. Carl Sagan once said, “Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.” If you propose the existence of something, anything, you MUST follow the Scientific Method in your defense of its existence. Otherwise, we have no reason to believe your preposterous claims. Hearsay is the worst possible form of any kind of evidence. Everything you have provided is nothing more than hearsay. Thus, until you can present any irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence to support your claims, then your claims shall forever be preposterous, and summarily dismissed.
Go away little boy and quit skipping school.
rmfr
Laughs.. Well it's your lucky day, I will go away. Not like you (or this place) have anything to offer anyway. The same boring bullshit, the same boring rebuttals.. On the contrary, I enriched your knowledge with events, you had absolutely no clue about.. No clue. Cheers!
Bye then, Bullwinkle.
Well he was clearly lying, but now he has been made to go away. Does anyone feel uneducated theist "enriched them with knowledge of events"? All I have left is residual ringing in my ears, a bit like white noise or tinnitus.
Oh yeah. He enriched me. On how not to act until I pushed too far....
rmfr
A little? Only a little? But you are right about it giving "away clues about me." Here is a hint. The word begins with an "A" and ends with an "E" and has these other letters included: s, h, o, l (and there may be more than just one).
You have already done that with your preposterous claim. ALL dating methods have proven the Shroud of Turin to be a fake itself. I think the oldest dates are to the 3rd century CE. And that dating method is complete hogwash. Ultraviolet Vibrational Dating System? Bullshit.
And I am as serious as a heart attack. You get the license and I shall go with you. Seriously. Until you can do this to provide me with irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence (IOHEE), your claim is preposterous and summarily dismissed.
And where is your IOHEE proving this statement?
It is. And for the only reason than you are making a preposterous claim. Make a preposterous claim and your credibility is also preposterous. Unless, you can provide IOHEE.
Which you are doing by continuing to post preposterous claims without any IOHEE to back those claims. Paraphrased from Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "It is precisely the fact that Religious Absolutists have no evidence to back up their preposterous claims that drives them to such hatred against those who have a different argument that IS supported by hard empirical evidence."
And you have been proving this with each and every post since you popped into here. As Tin-Man said, and I paraphrase, "Don't you think we have already dealt with many of your kind here?"
And actually, all you have done is prove your lack of knowledge beyond what you have been indoctrinated to believe.
And another quote I paraphrase from Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion: "Persons of a Religious Absolutist bent are never capable of distinguishing what is true from what they wish to be true."
Then why can't y'all just leave us alone?
And I seriously doubt that. Probably ain't nothing compared to what I have seen on research trips to the Levant.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1218457/Shroud-Turin-replica-proves-medieval-techniques-make-relic-say-scientists.html
And that is just one of many reproductions created…
And you have proven you do?
Y'all excuse me. This is going to be ugly…
***If you listen carefully, you just might hear some faint laughing …***
Yeah. Your OP. Evidently you do not know that OP = Opening Post, a.k.a. your first post. Little boy, you need to get back to school. Quit skipping school and sitting at home cutting and pasting from web pages.
And in the process of doing this, you have made a preposterous claim. Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat. That is Latin for, "He who says he does not have the burden of proof is a liar." (Also see my other post.)
OK. All patience lost. NO! You ignorant, dumb ass, childish, spoiled brat. We are directing our questions to YOUR OP (OPENING POST). This post.
Τώρα καταλαβαίνετε? (Tóra katalavaínete?) Now do you comprehend?
Is English even your primary language. Perhaps I should go entirely Greek? Ξερεις να μιλας ελληνικα?
Sorry y'all. I just cannot read anymore of this child's posts.
rmfr
ΡΕ ΜΑΛΑΚΑ! (of course I can). Perhaps, I was confused at who they meant by OP. After all I have not been on forums in ages. So cut me some slack.. You can IOHEE.. me all you want. Unlike the rest of the people that have talked with me so far, you know something about history, so lets talk.. we have something in common. Forget about your prophet Richard Dawkings and Atheism, forget that I believe in Christianity. I care about history more than interfaith debates or debates with Atheists. Do you disagree with any of the sources I posted? I don't see you criticizing me on that. Because you know the sources I provided on the Shroud that used to exist in Constantinople are correct. Having invested much time in medieval history, and as you already know yourself.. The Kingdom of France at the time of the supposed creation of the shroud, was an illiterate land, plagued by warfare, poverty, misery, and suffering. My question is simple, France was literally a medieval "shithole", at best. How is it possible that an artist with such skill to have created such an artifact. That doesn't even come close even to the religious art of the West. Speaking of Franks, quite frankly, the modern reproduction.. looks that it falls short from the original. Even through they have modern technology, to create something equivalent if not better.. than some anonymous artist, living in a medieval 14th century shithole. They cant! The negative reproduction doesn't even come close in skill to the original. Can you actually blame me for believing that A) The scientific research on the Shroud is bogus. B) The Roman Catholic Church is basically allowing a relic to be discredited as a forgery, deliberately to hide it from public conscience for it own reasons. I mean my question, based on experience with history is very simple. IOHEE me that.. Now do you understand, where I am coming from?!
Are all religious apologists taught never to use the shift or return keys? Is accurate grammar and punctuation considered some sort of sin? New paragraphs the work of the devil etc,?
Ask that question to your buddy with the flawed ancient Greek. Ask him to IOHEE that shit. Laughs! A mockery, truly. All you people know is how to attempt insult, lofty arguments, of such likes. But I can assure you, you are pretty "shit", when it comes to anything else!
You know that typing laughs! is pretty ironic given the angry tantrums you keep having?
arakish's posts have demonstrated he is an erudite, and well educated individual, your's have consistently demonstrated that you are a petulant arrogant chippy theist, who can't handle other people not sharing his vapid superstitious beliefs.
"All you people know is how to attempt insult,"
You're not going to start crying now are you? If you start using ad hominem then you get it back, either make a cogent mature argument or suck it up. If we're so shit then why are you here? Do yourself and all of us a favour now, you've had your troll fix, time to go brag to your friends (if you have any) how you put the nasty godless atheists in their place.
The myth of the Turin shroud is still a risible fake either way, and only a gullible moron would think it was caused by a supernatural miracle. The same mindset that thinks they've seen Jesus "likeness" in a taco.
Contrary to popular belief, and any angry wording you or others perceive.. I am actually very entertained. I never thought I would encounter so many self righteous arsewhipes in just one night. That moron who tried to correct my Greek is the biggest clown I have ever met in my entire life.. We are taught ancient Greek since junior high school.. But sure some fucking moron took a class where they taught him something wrong, and he pretends to be an expect to a native speaker. I can read and write ancient, and medieval forms of Greek, not to mention modern.. Fucking foreigners! Entertaining indeed. Sheldon, I finally managed to find a bigger dunce than you! I apologize to you personally, please accept them.
It doesn't make sense that you think that the shroud could have been created in the 1st century, but not in the 14th century.
Let's see if I can break this giant turd apart …
Nope. You weren't confused. I checked. ALL of them wrote, "your OP" when referencing. You were being an ass.
Actually, I would you have never been on any forum boards until today. Or was it yesterday? Whatever… I do not cut anybody any slack. When I first joined here, no one cut me any slack. And that is the way I like it.
Yep. And I ain't cut you no slack. If you ain't got no IOHEE, anything you claim is perposterous and summarily dismissed.
Actually we have nothing in common. Except our disagreements.
Who the fuck is Richard Dawkings? Perhaps you meant Richard Dawkins?
He ain't my prophet. He is actually a very intelligent evolutionary biologist. You forget one thing. Quoting George Carlin, "Atheism is a non-prophet organization." And I definitely cannot forget about your Religious Absolutism. Why not? Because no Religious Absolutist can keep their religiosity out of anything they think and/or say and/or write.
Obviously not since you the only history you know is what you have been indoctrinated to believe. Besides, Old Man also knows a lot about history. Especially the New Testament. I specialized in the Noahacian Flood Story and the Exodus That Went Nowhere. However, I do know a lot of other history about the Bible because I have spent over 30 years researching the Bible because I wanted to know from a scientific viewpoint why so many people believe in something that CANNOT be proven to be true.
What sources? I ain't seen in any sources in any post you have made. All I have seen are references to hearsay documents. Always remember this, "Hearsay is the worst possible form of any kind of evidence. All religious documents are nothing more than 100% hearsay. Thus, are inadmissible as evidence."
I did in this post: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/shroud-turin-actually-proves-resurrection-jesus?page=4#comment-122340
Last paragraph. "Hearsay is the worst possible form of any kind of evidence. Everything you have provided is nothing more than hearsay. Thus, until you can present any irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence to support your claims, then your claims shall forever be preposterous, and summarily dismissed."
Nope. Nothing more than hearsay. Here is a hearsay: "I have seen the Dead Sea Scrolls in person." Am I telling the truth? Or, is it a lie? My statement, cannot be verified or falsified. And if it cannot be verified or falsified, it is not evidence.
You mean just like the Levant in the 1st century CE? 1st century BCE?
Simple, he robbed a grave. Oh, by the way, America is now the "shithole" of the world.
Yes they have. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1218457/Shroud-Turin-replica-proves-medieval-techniques-make-relic-say-scientists.html As I said, this is just one of many that have been reproduced. Flawlessly. There was even a History Channel, Discovery Channel, Learning Channel, one of those Whatever Channels, show about how the Shroud of Turin could be reproduced flawlessly. And the only way of determining the difference is through radiocarbon dating.
Yes they have. You are just a typical Christian — Definition of CHRISTIAN: Knowing the facts, seeing the facts, but still believing the lies.
Yes. Because you know NOTHING about the Scientific Method. I do. I work at the largest volcano in the world known as the Yellowstone Caldera with the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory.
You have me here. Then again, I view anything said by any Religious Absolutist as being a lie anyway. Remember, "Hearsay is the worst form of evidence. All religious documents are 100% hearsay. Thus, completely inadmissible as any form of evidence." And that is a quote I synthesized myself from mine own knowledge and research. Here is another, "Searching for answers is what it is to be human, instead of a robot and being force fed the data. There is no shame in being self-taught, searching for knowledge for yourself. The only shame is in not seeking learning and knowledge in the first place." — RMF Runyan
And your question is … ?
Inform me again what I am supposed to IOHEE… ?
Not really. You still seem to be in some sort of miasmic mental fugue…
All I need is the science journal papers I have read (but no longer have) about the dating of the Shroud of Turin being only dated to 1260–1390 CE.
rmfr
I don't understand why Uneducated thinks it is more important to worship Jesus than to follow his alleged teachings on how to behave.
LMAO
At Uned... not your post. Oh how true it is.
rmfr
Saw this post, and had to answer: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/shroud-turin-actually-proves-resurrection-jesus?page=3#comment-122329
Hey moron. You are completely wrong. My wife was full-blooded Greek. Time for you to get a spanking …
In Greek:
θεός (theós) = God, Lord, Creator;
ένα- (éna-) = to be without;
thus έναθεός (enatheós) “atheist” = to be without God.
You have it completely wrong ass-wipe! The prefix "a-" is from Latin, not Greek. And just like all dumb ass Americans, they are always fond of fucking words up. Atheist actually comes from Latin "a-" which actually means "in negation to" and from Greek "theos."
As said, Americans are the dumb asses who do not even know where their words come from. And YOU are trying to lecture US on the origins of the English language? Quit skipping school you spoiled brat.
In actuality: ένα- (éna-) and θεός (theós) = έναθεός (énatheós) is where the English word “anathema” is derived.
And the last word in your paragraph: "Rich!"
Do not call me again.
rmfr
Oh the icing on the cake! A flaw in Greek, while trying to be smart to a fucking Greek. AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
"ένα- (éna-) = to be without;"
ἐνάρετος = ἐνά + ἀρετή = with + virtue..
LMFAO! You really shot yourself in the foot right there. But don't worry, the simpletons who follow your ideology will agree with you.
Yeah I am fucking lecturing you, Ά + Θεός.
You are flawed in your Greek, ένα does not mean without.. Indeed, don't call again. Thanks for discrediting yourself!
"καί θεραπεύων πάσαν νόσον καί πάσαν μαλακίαν" Μαλάκα!
@Uneducated
The a- prefix means "not", or "without".
Thanks for confirming.
You said that it denoted denial, but it does no such thing.
I wrote.. "the word atheist is purely a Greek word.. άθεος.. Now let me teach your something that you probably didn't know. A is an affix that denotes denial, and theos.. Θεός.. is God. Someone who lacks belief in God." I spoke of the letter A by itself, "a" itself is Proto-Hellenic (Before the Mycenaeans) Means no, not. A statement of denial. When used with a word it is supposed to mean the opposite of the word it is placed in front of. We call it A + Theos are the words No + God, together means Godless, without God. A + Θάνατος = ἀθάνατος A + Thanatos, No + Death, means without death, immortal. Did you see "ena" anywhere? Like he claims.. Nope.
Theist doesn't mean god, it is defined as someone who believes in a god, and atheist means the lack or absence of that belief. You claimed it was a belief, you're clearly a liar, as well as an illiterate moron.
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