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When I am saying rank, I am meaning importance of life and intelligence...
strength (or any other dominate traits in any species) of the grizzly is no match for the 30.06 from 600 yards away. Made from intelligence. Neither can a cheetah out run the bullet.
So that alone makes fastest and strongest no longer apply.
What's so amazing about those cells is how they actual look and work together, they have actual turning gears, the timing is perfect between there interactions, if we look at the inside of a watch it's not much different that the looks of these cells and there inner workings etc. It looks designed now that we gained the technology to examine them.
But again, you have no way of proving that these things are "the best." Especially since, as much as our intelligence has helped us, it leaves us vulnerable in other ways. Take away the "30.06", and find yourself fallen into a ravine with a cougar closing in on you, and you lose, hands down. Intelligent beings only "win" if they have the ability to augment themselves in their current situation. It likely took tens of thousands of years for humans to be "on top" as securely as you seem to just place them by default. We're weak, we're slow, can't swim well, cant hold our breath, can't stand the cold, can't hear as well as many other species, can't see as well. Basically the ONLY thing we have going for us is our intelligence and the layout of our hands.
Also with "intelligence" comes a lot of other things that a lot of people (especially theists) complain about all the time. Deceit becomes A LOT more prevalent the higher up on the "intelligence" scale an organism goes - I just read recently that magpies will purposefully hide food in a cache front of others, then hang out and double-back after they have left or turned their backs and hide it again, purposefully, to throw them off and make them think that the food is already gone/eaten/taken. And we humans are the kings of deceitful activity and understanding when we're doing it, and when it is being done to us. No species does it better, I would have to say. We also pollute, and are probably the worst for hurting our environment and the ecology around us. We can make things that never would have existed naturally, and our nature has us leaving that stuff all over the place. Animals are the same - like squirrels leaving nut shells all over the place - discarding them after they got the nuts - but those are entirely natural substances, prone to biodegrade much more quickly and naturally. It is easy to find things that make "intelligence" a pretty poor candidate for "best attribute of all." Again - all a matter of perspective, and I would still argue that yours in extremely myopic and small-minded.
Yea I have a way of proving that intelligence is "the best" as you say, we have the ability to destroy the whole earth and every species on it..
Nothing else even knows it will one day die, like I said previously.
We ride horses, we train bears. We're not OF what they are OF.
Your not deeply thinking into life, very shallow waters is what I'm getting from all these responses probably do to overuse of smart phones or something lol kinda seems like a bit out of touch with reality, speaking of flys having perspectives, not knowing that humans are the highest life form on earth... This is worrisome.
What will the next generation think and belive and how far out of touch will they be I wander.
So this makes us "the best?" The best at what? The best at killing? Is that what makes a species "the best?" Seriously - do you even think at all before you post this crap?
And when a trained bear decides he's had enough, guess who gets a face full of claws?
You're the one showing signs of having ABSOLUTELY NO REVERENCE for any life but your own kind. Dumb-ass views like yours are why we're facing extinction of species, collapse of ecosystems, and very possibly our own demise at the hands of... oops... ourselves. Aren't we a bunch of geniuses?
We just need to steer them clear of stupid, ignorant, crap-headed ideas like yours and we'll at least be taking a couple steps in the right direction.
Lol I see you have taken offense to my comment...(discernment) "the best" was your original words, I said the highest rank of life form original. And yes it's undeniable.
You should not let anger steer your words you can fall behind very quickly when emotions begin to drive your thoughts.
I should also point out it's of a small view point to talk about one case of the cougar beating the man and his gun, or the trainer getting mauled by the hear, you should always goto the birds eye view in your perspective, and not think of one cougar/hear but see them all as a whole, the bear would represent every bear on earth and the same for the cougar and man. So these one time incidents are meaningless in this debate.
MY view point would save the entire earth, bc I wldnt have ever put pavement down to make streets, or have let plastic even be legal to make.
Along with no currency allowed, life would be booming in all of the earth in every species if I had my way.
Like I said previously I won't even kill a spider I throw them outside, that don't mean they have a actual perspective lol
Edit speaking of the pavement, I have to laugh every time I drive past a no littering sign, what a oxymoron.
A spider assesses your presence just as easily as you assess his. I'm sure you've witnessed this. This all leads to a simple question, with a little setup - seeing the grand scope of evolutionary adaptation and variety of lifeforms that have been created, it is easy to imagine that we've not seen the "most" of nearly anything. That is to say, what we would consider the "furthest" honing of a particular skill or ability as they present themselves as tools for survival. And so, it is easy to imagine that we don't have the "most" successful brain or mental processing power that is potentially possible. Imagine that a species either develops or arrives on Earth and their mental processing capability is so obviously more effective than ours in a plethora of ways, do you think that gives them rights to just brush us off as too simple-minded to even bother dealing with? Do you think they would be "right" in feeling that we humans (as you so eloquently put it) don't "have a [sic] actual perspective lol"?
Comedy gold again. Altogether now...I want to go a wondering, trah lah lah lah lah lah...You're either a true genius of irony, or an illiterate moron, I don't have to wander (sic) about which either. What is worrisome is an adult displaying this level of illiteracy, and managing to be wrong in just about every post, whilst remaining not just blissfully unaware of it, but managing to be smug and self satisfied with himself.
Alchemy, you wrote, “When I am saying rank, I am meaning importance of life...”
What happens to humans if (when?) all the honey bees die? Or if all the non-human life forms living in/on you die? How important are they?
This actually proves my point, bc if the honeybees die out it will be our fault.
@cyberln
@Alchemy
How does this prove your point? If anything, it proves that humans aren't just "top" - there is no objective "most important." Bees are pretty important, and if we destroy them and wreck entire ecologies and end up making our own lives harder because actions we took destroyed the bees, then, if anything, this proves that human's intelligence isn't actually such a "great" thing as you keep wanting to assume. Our ability to wreck things in much more grand and sweeping scale than any other life form on earth is an obvious drawback to our intelligence. So there is no "best" - we aren't "on top." We're part of a huge and intricately weaved ecology that stands in a certain balance. So far, we have only proven ourselves a detriment to that balance. We keep stretching the limits, and keep having to put band-aids on things to keep providing for ourselves. We may be the "most intelligent" - fine. But that only means that if you "stack the deck" by picking "intelligence" as the criteria by which you rank, then you've successfully cheated to make yourself look good. What about the fastest? The strongest? The one who can hold their breath underwater longest? The one who can breathe underwater the best? Why not pick those as starting points for your ranking system? What makes "intelligence" the end all, beat all? When for all our grand intelligence, a simple virus - something that isn't even considered "alive" by some standards - can easily take us down for the count or even kill us.
You'll never convince me that your perspective and outlook isn't completely broken with how much you prize yourself over everything else. It's ridiculous. From what I have seen I would conclude that you're conceited, shallow, myopic, sophomoric, irreverent and don't think on anything beyond the line of where you see that it benefits or praises you.
Brother I stopped reading your comments a cpl pages ago, bc you have shown over and over again that you are of the lowest intelligence of any1 else I have talked too. And of the Most shallow view points,
speaking both of flys being able to plot intelligent plans eithin there mind of wishing death upon humans, and continually speaking of individual rare cases outside of nature that hold no meaning in this conversation.
I will not waste my time with such low forms of understanding. I promise your comments are not worth my thoughts,
due to your level of ignorance, and delusional thoughts of flys, it's like trying to explain something to a mental patient.
Reply all you want, I won't read your comments after what you have revealed of your inner self and ways of thinking..(And again you are unable to think deeply enough to even understand why honeybees dying out proves my point, bc they would NEVER die out unless it was due to us, showing dominion over earth and it's species)
I did not read your comment. You debate the undebatable lol
Thanks.
@Alchemy
Oh look, an ad hominem attack calling someone stupid.
Generally, when I see someone go out of there way to call someone stupid, I read between the lines and consider it is likely that person is feeling threatened by the person they called stupid, and then feeling vulnerable; attacks the person as a childish attempt to gain a false sense of control and superiority.
We may disagree on stuff, this is a debate forum after all, but resorting to ad hominem attack reeks of fear and desperation.
Does AccretedMinutiae writings really threaten you that much?
Would someone who believes flys have ability think as well as a human threaten me..flys possessing thought language, and having wishes of humans death. When someone says something to that degree, its just best to let them know im not going any further into conversation with them.
I may have a bad temper, is what your picking up on.
He is the only one so far that has seemed completely out of touch with reality.
I would encourage you to work on controlling your temper. A forum like this where people have their anonymity if they want it, I suggest would be a good place to start, here you are completely immune to any physical harm, and any psychological harm can be placed on your profile name/picture instead of you.
If you feel your temper rising, just step away for a while instead of writing out a response.
@Alchemy
Oi, genius, your is not an abbreviation of you are, ffs.
I am pretty sure you did read my comments, and I am pretty sure I know why you are now refusing to respond. My comments likely started striking some chords in that "table" of a brain of yours (hahaha) and you started getting those little prickling inklings that there is so much else in the world you just haven't even thought of and you got scared. It's okay man... I'd be scared too if I suddenly realized I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
@CyberLN: If so, why are humans at the top?
Language. We are by far the best communicators on this planet. Our ability to discover, create, store, and share information gives us potential far beyond any other species. It's no wonder the early authors of religion associated the power of language with their various gods. (In the beginning was the word...).
That's right.
And as I was saying before we are one of the biggest pieces of scientific evidence for The Most High, coinciding with the words you used to describe humans and nothing else on earth even holding a candle to our capabilities, we are a supernatural species compared to everything on earth, even tho I am of the belief that litteraly everything is supernatural just for being. And life it's self is so amazing.
Made in his image and likeness. Makes complete sence with our lives and ways of thinking and capabilities. And our alien looks.
I think often people imagine heaven as this foggy mistical place that only dead people can see, not in my mind idk why that train of thought ever developed, I belive if we had the technology to fly to it's destination it could been seen by all.
As we live in a kingdom in the sky alredy, seems very probable there is another.
I belive there is no speration in physical and spiritual "realms" Its all one interconnected realm in my thoughts and understanding.
If people read in Genisis where Abraham met The Most High face to face in phiscal form and ATE with him and two angels and had str8 up conversations, it should give people a more clear view point of how physical it all is.
And people in today's time would understand that scientist would label this incident as a direct contact with the most High alien life form in existence. And they would litterly be begging for knowledge from Him.
Edit: and all the way back to what I told @Sheldon The evidence of the different ranks of life forms and the combination of humans not having all the answers, I can nearly say proves that there is higher rank than us. As not all life forms are equal, is actual proof.
Algebe, I do not agree that there is a totem pole of value for any living thing on this planet...and this probably includes a big phat wad of the non living things. We live in a system...one that has dependencies and relationships with everything else.
In regards to this topic, I would argue that humans are the most economical with the biological traits we have developed over the course of evolutionary history.
We don't have the best eye sight, hearing, physiology.
We are happy to kill one another and destroy the planet.
And so on... and so on...
I think you would have to say, we got very lucky and owe our ancestors a huge debt.
Well yes you do agree, bc as I explained with the kills earlier, off that fact you do agree. If you did not agree a baby wld be just as easy for you to kill than the spider.
If we are made in some cosmic wizards image, then that mystical mage must have identifiable physical traits and therefore be under the scope of empirical study.
And as there is absolutely zero evidence to support the notion, I would assert that the God hypothesis is bollocks
Like I said before God is a false title, on another string, and so is the lord, He has a actual name,
He is a actual Life form with a actual name like you.
Except He is of a much greater intelligence and understanding and capable of much greater creations.
It only makes sence, since we know for sure there is Higher and lower forms of life alredy present on earth.
Just as something can be zoomed in on over and over and therez always a new layer, life forms we wldnt know existed without the microscope.
it's very safe to say that there is a higher life form than us, and that we too can be seen in a microscopic view.
We alredy live in a kingdom in the sky. Let that realization sink in. None of this is far fetched based on evidence we alredy have.
It only makes sense if you patently devoid of any form of intellectual honesty.
Everything within this planet, this universe and so on... all conforms to laws of nature and physics.
There is absolutely no need to invoke any magical wizard, especially when there is no evidence to rationally lead you to that conclusion.
Everything from your very self, to your parents, grandparent, to the distant ancestor we share with primates, to the formation of earth, to the accretion disc and all the way to the big bang... everything has a natural causation.
There is not one single link where we can definitively demonstrate the supernatural.
Therefore, we can be good baysiens and ignore such a ridiculous claim.
You/we are the only magical wizard on earth.
Proving this high of a life form does exist.
Many things/knowledge we know today comes direct from the fallen angels.. astrology, the making of weapons, make up, mirrors, names of the planet's and etc. They are so much like us that they are able to breed with us.
You can also credit the fallen angels with the crazy buildings that scientist still ponder to this day. Like the pyramids. No one can do masonry work like that, I used to build retaing walls that stone work is outta this world brother.
And you can credit the fallen angels for every other religion on earth, they became the gods of many many cultures.
Wait.. your argument is, because we see a scale of "intelligence" on this planet, that means humans cannot be on top of this scale? There MUST be something of greater intelligence than us humans? Even though there is ZERO evidence of this?
I know lots of theist apologist will say well "god works in mysterious ways" and god must remain hidden to us. "and we cannot understand why such a highly intelligent entity makes the choices it does."
If there is indeed an entity such as that, why do you think it would remotely care about you? If we are like ants to this "god." Using the same comparison do you care about the daily needs and desires of an ant on the other side of the world? Why would this "god" idea you believe in "care" about you?
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The same reason you care about your dogs and family, kids and etc.
He created all of us even tho how bad we all are, he still loves even the worst one, I wouldn't be surprised if he even still Loves Lucifer.
What I'm saying in my argument does for sure prove is,. that a higher rank life form than us exist, More likely than not....based on all the evidence here alredy. And our advanced capabilities, combined with humans not knowing all the answers. Its nearly a sure thing, and more likely than not is forsure based on the existence of different life form ranks alredy present, showing not all life is equal.
And I.should note, for my own personal reasons, that I know for 100% fact that it's all very real and true, no doubts in my mind. I have found the 100% only one truth in existence.
The reason I say more likely than not, is for you folks it's not a representation of my beliefs.
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Did you just compare your god idea caring about you and all 100+ billion of us humans to how you care for your dogs, family and kids? Does that really make sense to you? This also implies that god is not that much more intelligent than us even tho supposedly god is all knowing and been around forever. The human to ant comparison at least leaves a large gap there in relative "intelligence." That this supposed god idea that can supposedly handle thinking about and possibly even hear/understand all 8 billion of us currently alive at the same time is something even remotely similar to how we humans care about our pets and family?
What proof is that? I might of missed it, this is a long thread. I certainly never heard of any proof of higher rank life form exist then us. And I dont get at all how this argument that "god loves us" is proof for that. What evidence? I keep up on the news, I debate about god all the time, I have not heard of any evidence, if I did trust me I would remember it. I have actively seeked out any possible evidence of god for a long time now. All I have ever heard as evidence is something along the lines of: (paraphrased) "look how complex everything is, that could not have happened naturally, therefore... MY GOD IDEA!!!" (Completely ignoring an incredibly vast and old universe that is 98% just hydrogen and helium, the simplest of atomic configurations, (stepping aside all the dark energy and dark matter that we do not yet understand but are aware of.)
You went from "nearly a sure thing" to 100% only one truth in existence. In the space of 2 sentences. Wow.
"for your own personal reasons" "is not for you folks"
I checked your profile, you state you are 16. This explains a lot. A part of me wants to continue trying because at 16, you are more malleable to change then, say: a 32 year old, but it seems like you are also not ready to hear anything outside of the opinions and beliefs you already formed. No matter how much evidence, basic insights etc. that I throw at you.
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The highest ranked species is the one with the greatest penis length to body size ratio.
No, no. It’s not Sheldon. It’s not even me. It is the sultry and unassuming barnacle. Biggest penis on the planet (relative to body size).
“God made the barnacles penis on the third day and saw that it was very good.”
Genesis 11:24
When humans die they are eaten by bacteria, bugs and worms. That should tell you who is on top of the food change. Even rats rate higher than humans. A roach can live without its head and only starves to death for a lack of eating. If there is any kind of order to species, someone other than a human has to create the measuring stick.
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