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As I said in another string I belive, we are not are bodies. Our bodies is the humans curse of death.
If you have killed any animals you can see after the body dies it is a inatimate object, how could that inatimate ever have The ability to move or anything, that is the spirit of life. The brain has no activity without it, it is what starts the process of body's to begin to form within the womb. After the spirit enters, a body begins to grow for that life form. It causes seeds to germinate. And mycelium to spread.
In reality we can never ever actually die. We only experience death.
It is the souls and spirits that dwell in the bodys..that create these ranks, intelligence, and higher and lower worth of life forms. Its why we all will smash a mosquito without much care, deep down you know it's a lower form of life.
It's also the cause of individual personalities.
This is crap and there is proof that it is crap. Life ebbs relatively slowly from a dead human being. Sure the consciousness shuts right off as the brain dies from lack of continued oxygen and nutrient input, and when the brain dies, that's pretty much an instant shutdown of other large and vital systems. But there are plenty of individual lives that still live on in the body, for some time after death:
The body being a pretty "closed system", this means that oxygen is not simply available without a working delivery mechanism, and so this is why most of those cells will die, because they aren't built to get what they need on their own. So, what this shows is that the "spirit of life" continues within the body for many individual living cells even after what you'e hinting at about "soul" or "life force" seems to be lost to the "human" that you once were.
In other words... some life is still living within you, even though your precious "consciousness" is completely wiped from your brain. The consciousness is not "alive" nor is it some "life force", and this can be seen in the fact that living cells (completely alive, with their own essence of this "spirit" or "life force" or "soul") continue on for a relatively long span of time after the consciousness goes bye-bye.
A dead body and the brain are literal inatimate objects that's a fact... no different than a table.. nothing can die without life.
Our bodies and brains ever having ability to move is no different than a wooden Table walking talking and moving.
EDIT: something else that nearly proves that life in all forms is a force referred to and known as a spirit, is that If it was Just body parts that was creating life, (truly a ridiculous claim) when ever any actual body died it could always be brought back to life, with replacement of parts, dead 2 days... no problem install a new etc.
You're only displaying your own ignorance now, so listen up. There are PLENTY of cells in your body that move all on their own. They are not "inanimate" as you want to just assume. White blood cells move hundreds of times faster than just about any other cell in the body, and there is no denying this as they rush to the site of infection to take care of the problem. Sperm cells are another example of a living cell with motility. Done. Your premise is complete and utter crap. Just because a cell can't move it isn't alive - or it is "no different than a table"? Are you daft?
There is no such accepted "force" referred to as "spirit." Just look up the definition anywhere, or try to find any scientific information on the empirical existence of "spirit." You will find nothing that should compel you to make such statements as you are doing. All you will find are opinion pieces, or claims to "Scientific studies" or "theories" that when you track down to try and find the source, it either never gets another mention outside the article's title, or it ends up being more stuff created by the same group of folks in an echo-chamber of their own design, built to let them keep bouncing their ideas back and forth to each other and pretend they are all more correct about their ideas than any external community of science would ever be willing to grant them.
And your assertion that if there were no soul then a body being brought "back to life" should be a simple matter of replacing parts is RIDICULOUS. Once again displaying huge amounts of ignorance and denial. The body begins to be overtaken by other biological entities (entities that are ALWAYS present, but are being fought off by your immune system) just about immediately upon death. When systems shut down, your body stops pumping oxygen around, and all the cells that can't move on their own (THAT ARE STILL ALIVE) start dying off after various lengths of time. Once the cells of your immune systems meet their demise, then any bacteria with a source of oxygen can begin work devouring anything it sets its heart on, multiplying, and as they devour, opening up more of your body to the oxygen-rich air, and thereby support ongoing metabolic processes.
So, if white blood cells have been known to survive some of the longest lengths of time within what would otherwise be considered your dead body, then what, do you think, is the "soul" driving those white blood cells? Is your overall "soul" still present and driving them? Or do all cells have individual souls? Your ideas have no merit, and nothing but meager, wishful "evidence" (if you can even call it that).
The Dunning Krueger is strong in this one...
@FFS: I believe I am a spiritual flower pretending to be a banana loving monkey. I don't need evidence, It;s self evident. All non-believers are jerks but they can believe whatever they want. I know the truth.
Well I have given proof of higher and lower life forms existing on earth alredy, even tho people tried to say foolish things like, "the fly has a prespective" and they don't beilive human life is above other life forms, I was then able to prove in that statement they was lying to thereselvs, thru the act of killing.
These higher and lower life forms are actual proof, that different ranks of are in existence, in combination with Humans alredy being what one person labeled The Most High as a "magical wizard", proving such magical life forms are in existence.
In combination with Humans not having all the answers, one can say with very high scientific probability, much more likely than not, that there is Higher form of life than us based on the evidence.
Since not one person has generated a valid argument, or been able to disprove anything I said during this debate, The winner on a actual debate platform is obvious. I humbly say it was actual domination.
On these grounds I feel the debate is over, since I seen nothing of any intelligence when I got up this morning debating my given points.
So I'd like to leave you all with the actual Truth of why it's so hard for any person to convert a atheist.
"10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
The Most High Himself, has put every athiest in the world under a STRONG DELUSION, THAT YOU SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE. This is why it's so difficult to convince athiest, a man is not able to undo what The Most High has put on you, that will always be up to you and Him now.
And the evidence of this delusion is confirmed in statements like people lying to them self, of them thinking they care as much about a fly than a human. Lol no you don't.
Everyone have a great day and a great life!
Love all y'all.
No one has even attempted to post a proof---on any topic---in this thread.
I guess you mean, didnt write or didnt think of, when you say "post" a proof. (I know they didnt)
Bc computer links are of no value, that would just further prove that not many people are thinking on their own abilitys.
Following their desires, instead instead of true intellectual thoughts.
Bc internet searches lol we all can find a search to support any thing in the world no matter how stupid it is.
I could scientifically prove, if certain test would ever be allowed..... that no human can possible invent the art of blacksmithing, it to this day has to be passed down and taught. As it was originally to all human kind.
No such animal.
/e perhaps more troubling is your agreement that no one has posted a proof in this thread, the thread where you just claimed to have given a proof in.
No1 except me... I explained all the proof, and evidence I had to support it with my closing message.
Legitamte facts about life... I can't help no1 else has ever thought of it before, or brought it to your attention, but it's a legit proof and facts when it comes to the "ranks of life forms" and a legit proof of very high probability(proof of more likely than not)of a higher rank life form than human.
There is no getting around it.
No1 can disprove anything I've said and no1 can intelligently dispute the proof and evidence I put on the table.
This is why, the debate is closed.
Proofs typically start with a list of axioms. Could you please remind us; what was your first axiom?
Proofs have a method; could you please remind us which method you used (something like: proof by contradiction, proof by exhaustion, etc)?
The best Proof starts with life facts known by everyone, that are unarguable, yet completly over looked by most humans.
You again are speaking on a education platform, which is separate from intelligence.
Alchemy, are you suggesting that educated people cannot be intelligent?
Not at all, but it's a fact most humans are of a normal to low intelligence.
So most highly educated people are also of a low to normal intelligence. (Intelligence is something you are born with, what ever level you contain)
Even though they all tend to have this false belief that they ALL are highly intelligent,...relating grades to intelligence, when in reality good grades only prove the lack of a learning disability and dedication to a given subject.
Alchemy, what do YOU use to measure someone’s intelligence?
It has alot to do with originality within your thoughts., also noticing what most don't see or think of.
Yet when brought to attention, it's undeniably true, and or can cause a "why didn't I think of that" type of reaction.
Or "hmm I never thought of it in that way before"
Leaving the perception of you eyeballs and seeing from a larger view point.
For instance, I say color is non existent without light.... if you say the color is still there you just can't see it in the dark, I'd have to say then how can you prove color exist without light?
There was no book or internet search that inspired this thought it's 100% original..
Then after I've inspected this thought, and it seemed to be accurate, I remembered in The Word "let there be light" I wonder now if this was speaking of the creation of color... ?
More comedy gold, and overlooked is one word, champ.
I think everything you post is separate from intelligence.
Is it just me or do theists seem to love to make up un-measurable attributes of systems, then put them in "order" by their "size" by fiat (which of course makes them the absolute authority on the ordering, since no objective method is ever supplied)? How many claims have we seen like that here?
All theistic coherent thought just died screaming...
I am increasingly coming to the realization that all theistic coherent thought (if it ever existed!) died a long time ago, just the current generation of theistic apologist have no idea it died, probably most of these ideas "stillborn" centuries ago.
So many of these arguments theist apologist used are the same or slightly rehashed versions of the same arguments they tried and failed to use centuries ago. And increasingly these arguments are pushed so far past the brink that they dont even argue the existence of their god idea anymore, instead they argue to some sort of highly vague "greater being" that exists outside our universe and time, an argument/idea that is almost entirely without any form, losing the "argument" by default even before the argument began.
There are well written books (of which this site has links to several,) that spell out just about any argument any theist could possibly make and refutes them in their entirety.
The debate is over, the theist claim to god is without merit. This debate has been over for a long time, just theist apologist have no idea (by design from the people that taught them these ideas.)
All that is left for these apologist at this point is to come with some actual evidence. But if such real, solid evidence came to light, there would be zero need for theist apologist to spread the word, we would all already know about it, as everyone here has access to the internet.
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Humans are the only animal capable of ranking life forms in any order. That is why we think we are on top. We may become an evolutionary dead end in spite of us thinking we are on top. Alligators, sharks and ants may continue on. So much for ranking species. I read a Richard Leakey book in which he stated the average life span of a successful species is a million years. I don't think it is looking very good for us.
Could one argue that all animals rank others to a degree? I'm sure a gazelle in Africa fancies its chances against slower carnivores then the cheetah, or the power of a lion etc...
This is how we evolve and stay upon the evolutionary pathways, survival of the fittest.
Furthermore, I think the OP has a point on humans being top of the chain if we are considered as a collective.
Any single human against say, a bear, a tiger, a great white or heck, even a blue ringed octopus... is essentially screwed!
And we are the only species that is happy to kill one another as well as our own planet.
Again, we are the most economical with our traits in a society.
And we still haven't escaped from Step Away From That Ladder ...