Telepathy ... and identical twins

102 posts / 0 new
Last post
Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ TM I saw you first....

@ TM

I saw you first....

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: "I saw you

@Old Man Re: "I saw you first..."

Hmph!... That totally depends on your general relativity perspective. Without any empirical evidence to assert your habeas corpus into a rationally thinking conundrum, I dare say you are cutting the legs out from under your own straw man theory. Only by closely examining the non-factual claims of questionably credulous conspirateurs will you ever be able to doubtfully prove your non-hypocritical claims of pre-meditated procrastination. Until then, please do detain your debatable decrees of disreputable discrepancies to data designed for dismissive disregard in divinely dissolvable doses.

Sheldon's picture
Ok, I'm convinced.

Ok, I'm convinced.

Nyarlathotep's picture
There is nothing supernatural

There is nothing supernatural about children who were raised together (especially if they are similar ages, like twins) being able to communicate ideas to each other with less effort than with strangers.

When I talk to my sister on the phone; I can tell if something has gone seriously wrong in her life in second or two, just by her manner of speech. I can't tell when she texts though.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
I think this is the most

I think this is the most sensible of approaches to the phenomena, the human ability to understand facial expressions and decode them to a degree, as well as body language and so fourth.

My Fiance is able to know if I'm sad or upset by the tone of my voice or if I'm physically or emotionally drained,
And yet I would not correlate that to him having been bestowed with telepathic capabilities.

Cognostic's picture
Speaking of telepathic

Speaking of telepathic abilities, I can always tell when my GF is on her period. All she has to do is open her mouth and utter a few sentences and I know. There is a different quality to the tone of her voice. She becomes a bit more demanding. She wants to know more about what I am doing or where I have been. She makes more effort to control her environment. I always ask, "You are starting your period aren't you." "How do you know that?" she replies shocked. It's obvious! And so I just spend a few days being extra nice, giving her massages, and not taking anything tersely said personal. Nothing psychic about it on my part but she thinks it's amazing how I am able to do this. She just does not see the difference in the way she talks and behaves.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Does the large axe she carry

Does the large axe she carry also enable you to deduce this? lmao

Cognostic's picture
Oh, that's what's up her butt

Oh, that's what's up her butt! I was wondering what the bulge was. (She is sweet as can be and does her best to not complain. Also she is a sucker for a hand rub. As long as I remember the words, "Honey come here and I will massage your hands." She can't use them to pull that ax out and hack me to death. )

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
You are a credit to the

You are a credit to the species haha

It means a lot when a man will make that effort and understanding (even with the lingering whiff of sarcasm).
My fiancé has done similar for myself, I tend to get the most hideous back pain.

LogicFTW's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

I hope to one day have as good detection skills as you do for this, getting there, but sometimes it takes a bit more than a few sentences for me to realize what is going on.

 
 

▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

▮          I am an atheist that always likes a good debate.          ▮
▮   Please include @LogicFTW in responses directed to me.    ▮
▮        Useful list on forum usage. A.R. Member since 2016.      ▮
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

SeniorCitizen007's picture
More non-provable anecdotes:

More non-provable anecdotes:

My mother was talking to me ... the doorbell rang when she was in mid-sentence. A week or so later I was in the room alone ... recall of the conversation came into my mind ...my mother entered the room and carried on from where she'd left off ... completed the sentence that had been interupted by the doorbell ringing.

My maternal grandmother was totally blind for the last ten years of her life. My aunt, her daughter, was telling her about the house she'd just moved into. My grandmother said: "I've got a picture" ... and began describing the garden in detail ... then commented on the wallpaper, on the furniture, etc.

I was in a public library in 1979 when a thought went through my mind that my grandmother had died. I'd had had no contact with her, or my family for some time. I rang my mother ,,, but she hadn't heard anything. A few hours later my mother's sister rang with the news of her mother's death.

Here's something more "scary".

Late one evening I was walking through Bristol when my attention was drawn to a parked car with two people in it, a man and a woman. As I looked at the driver a thought went through my head "IRA". I walked past the car and glanced back at the number plate ... and prompty forgot it the moment I turned my head away. An hour or so later a bomb went off blowing out the shop front where the car had been parked. The police put out a description of the car. A few days later I was walking through the bus-station when again the thought "IRA" went through my head. A woman was looking at me with a "menacing" expression on her face. I got a distinct impression that "she" was a man dressed as a woman.

My next anecdote will really convince you I'm either crazy or just "making it all up".

Sheldon's picture
Anecdotal testimony alone

Anecdotal testimony alone shouldn't convince any open minded person of anything. Your sincerity is entirely moot, the testimony even if validated beyond any reasonable doubt merely presents unexplained phenomena. Having no explanation does not validate anything?

SeniorCitizen007's picture
One simple fact:

One simple fact:

Everybody experiences "telepathy" ... not just occasionally ... it happens "all the time". Prior to the rise of modern psychiatry people were much more aware of it's occurence in their daily lives.

Anonymous's picture
When we are misunderstood in

When we are misunderstood in typical ways of communicating: text, verbal, physical, etc., we look for alternatives. When we don't choose to socialize with others, we look for alternatives to fit in.

You chose telepathy as an alternative form of communication.
You chose twins to symbolize closeness that telepathy (you say) offers.

Both are still delusional. If we were telepathic, you wouldn't need to make this OP. However, this OP should prove to you, since you chose to make it, that neither you nor I are telepathic. We are still bound by the limits of communication as it is, now. You haven't accepted this yet.

As we get older, out losses increase. Having a good cry over losses, is much healthier than making up false beliefs that only increase your pain.

This is just my opinion, but a reasonable one.

Sheldon's picture
That's an unevidenced claim,

Thu, 08/30/2018 - 11:25
SeniorCitizen007 "Everybody experiences "telepathy" ... not just occasionally ... it happens "all the time". Prior to the rise of modern psychiatry people were much more aware of it's occurence in their daily lives."

That's an unevidenced claim, not a fact. Hitchens's razor applies.

Anonymous's picture
IT's also a way to

IT's also a way to communicate. Sheldon, you've heard of communication? Right? Between humans?

It is very helpful to some that you can observe and identify what you have. However, is it okay with you that anyone can post "unevidenced " (sic) claims in this forum. Shall we instead run it by you, first?

My intention was to communicate an understanding.

Sheldon's picture
I was responding to

I was responding to SeniorCitizen007's post Thu, 08/30/2018 - 11:25, not to your post. it' can be confusing because of the way the forum inserts posts in between previous responses.

To be clear I never said nor implied he couldn't make unevidenced claims. My objection was to him falsely labelling it as a fact.

Anonymous's picture
Sheldon, if you're responding

Sheldon, if you're responding to SeniorCitizen, then perhaps you should go to his post, click "reply" and post to him. The way you're doing it, now, you're posting to the last post on the thread.

Sheldon's picture
I did go to his post, and I

I did go to his post, and I did click reply. The forum inserts posts between responses. Trust me this drives me batty as well. I usually quote the text I'm responding to, but was in a rush.

Edit: I have now added his posted text as a quote to my response.

livingmylife2's picture
Sheldon, maybe you won't mind

Sheldon, maybe you won't mind my using your post to test the "feature" you were referring too, which just happened to me too.

This time I'm trying to reply to your post, that starts with "I did go to his post, and I did click reply."

These math questions (CAPTCHA) are getting harder and harder.

livingmylife2's picture
Well, it went where I wanted

Well, it went where I wanted to this time. I think I see why. I'll just bumble on off now.

Math question is easy again.

Sheldon's picture
If I'm right this should be

If I'm right this should be posted between my post and the earlier response, though I'll happily admit I am baffled by the way posts are sequenced on here.

Edit: Ah well I was completely wrong. As I said, baffling.

Anonymous's picture
HI Sheldon and Anna,

HI Sheldon and Anna,

I'm with Sheldon on these post sequences. They are confusing, at times, but the template is the best I've seen. Maybe we need to donate more, so they can afford a better template.

Anna, I have a theory but don't pay enough attention to it. The more words you post, the harder the equation. I dunno. who knows.

LogicFTW's picture
@ Magnificent Beast,Sheldon

@ Magnificent Beast,Sheldon and Anna.

Depending on your browser, sometimes you see the little grey inset bars that highlights reply "paths." (Most mobile browsers do not show these bars btw.)

However if a reply "tree" flips to the next page, as more replies are added and old replies to a post get pushed to another page, things get "weird" fast. Which is why it is important for people to say who they are talking to, and perhaps even say with a quote what they are replying to. Confusion has happened in the past and will happen again.

One of my very first post here back in late 2016, I sort of "attacked" CyberLN an atheist, and mod of this site by mixing up who was replying to who. Oops.

As much as I dislike the general immaturity and just about everything else of 4chan, I like how they handle replies in that format. I am also very used to reddit and again replies are easy to follow.

You can always use a system like Nylar uses, to find new postings instead of relying on the only semi useful new post system built into the boards, which he explains in a post. See my signature for a link to Nylar's post on it.
 
 

▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

▮          I am an atheist that always likes a good debate.          ▮
▮   Please include @LogicFTW in responses directed to me.    ▮
▮        Useful list on forum usage. A.R. Member since 2016.      ▮
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

Anonymous's picture
Logic, thanks for your

Logic, thanks for your openness. I, too, made a fool of myself on another atheist/religion forum. I'm laughing now, just remembering it. It was a hot discussion about something political and religious, which is the perfect storm, right? And this woman was being so... you know....about it, so I lost it and started arguing points with her. It was 2am, because of time zone, and she was quick to respond, and she kept "I never said that!". And I'd yell back, "yes, you did!" And I copy/pasted everything, very proudly, cause I just had to win the argument, right? So stupid. Turns out I got her mixed with another user who had similar names.

I was so embarrassed, I wanted to cancel my account and hide my head in the ground somewhere. Luckily, she understood.

Dang. We're all so human, you know??? Anyway, it took me a while to get used how to figure out the sequence of posts, and you're right; the grey lines on the left can guide you, but you have to be careful at the same time.

Nothing like yelling at somebody about something they didn't say, hey? bwahahahhaha!

SeniorCitizen007's picture
I went to a spiritualist

I went to a spiritualist gathering ... where a medium demonstrates his/her abilities. The medium spoke to people she selected from the audience.When she came to me she gave a me a puzzled look and said: "I'm getting imagery of bicycle parts."

Earlier that day day I'd been in a shed looking at a dismantled bicycle.

If this had happened to you would you have taken it to be proof of telepathy?

People go to spiritualist churches because the mediums convince them that they do have paranormal abilities... that they can look into their subjects minds and glean accurate information about them ... and about deceased people they have connections to.

Sceptics should go along to one of these gatherings and make their judgement based on what happens ... not dismiss "out of hand" the claims of people like myself. If these mediums are "con-artists" then they are very, very, very good at it.

Sheldon's picture
They're con artists, it's

They're con artists, it's been more than well documented that their impressive "powers" are an elaborate con trick. However these claims are again falsifiable, so these "powers" can easily be tested by science, and in all such studies have failed predictably. One I remember recently was a group of people convinced they could divine water. Double blind clinical trials, and not one of them showed any powers at all. What's more they all refused to believe the results, what a shocker.

I remember someone saying there are two kinds of people, those who believe in superstitions and those who don't. I don't know if that's true, but I prefer this one, there are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary code, and those who don't. made me laugh anyway.

LogicFTW's picture
@SeniorCitizen007

@SeniorCitizen007

The pattern recognition abilities of our brains are pretty cool. There is also a lot of input most of us especially in face to face communication many of us choose to ignore, or have not practiced trying to pick up and use.

An example: Microexpressions. Often times too fast for most people to pick up on, those that have practiced it can be much better at reading these "microexpressions" then the vast majority of us. And these micro expressions can be used as valuable "clues" on a person's thoughts, they are actually a form of communication that most of us have not picked up on.

Also all of us can predict the future. We do it all the time every day. Our brains look for patterns and try to make use of those patterns to be useful to us. We just dismiss our ability to predict the future because we all do it everyday. I predict, with a high degree of certainty that you will read this (if you read it at all! on a screen of some sort.) Let me know if my future prediction was wrong eh?

Question for ya, have you gone to a magic show? Do you believe the magician performed magic in his show? Or did the magician just have a method for performing the "magic" you are not aware of? Have you ever wondered why if a magician or a medium that had access to special powers the rest of us did not, they did not use their special powers to amass a large pile of money and/or power? Or at least enough so that if they are feeling sick one day, that can take a break from their traveling magician or medium show or go home and take care of family emergency that could ruin them financially to leave and do?

Why does not a medium of the dead go and ask the dead where the "Ark of the Covenant" is hidden? I am sure the Roman Catholic Church (or other rich religious entities) would make said person, very, VERY rich. (If it exist and could be found anyways.)
 
 

▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

▮          I am an atheist that always likes a good debate.          ▮
▮   Please include @LogicFTW in responses directed to me.    ▮
▮        Useful list on forum usage. A.R. Member since 2016.      ▮
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

SeniorCitizen007's picture
After I watched a TV

After I watched a TV documentary that I was recording the news followed. A nurse spoke for a couple of minutes.There was something about her I didn't like. I hadn't stopped the recording so I was able to check her out ...frame by frame ...in ONE frame she had a completely different, annoyed, expression on her face ... which showed what she was REALLY thinking.

LogicFTW's picture
@SeniorCitizen007

@SeniorCitizen007
Microexpressions are not always 100% accurate windows into what a person is thinking, but it can be a very helpful "honest" clue as people usually do not have control over their microexpressions. Only with training can you mostly suppress microexpressions. Most mainstream tv with higher budgets will carefully edit out micro expressions unless they want a specific one.

Live recordings because they are not edited, where untrained people appear on the screen can be really quite illuminating compared to the trained actor/professional.

There is actually a whole community of people that go through live recordings frame by frame to try and read what the microexpressions are saying. Of course the excitement and rarity of being on live TV can heavily "pollute" the results.
 
 

▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

▮          I am an atheist that always likes a good debate.          ▮
▮   Please include @LogicFTW in responses directed to me.    ▮
▮        Useful list on forum usage. A.R. Member since 2016.      ▮
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

Pages

Donating = Loving

Heart Icon

Bringing you atheist articles and building active godless communities takes hundreds of hours and resources each month. If you find any joy or stimulation at Atheist Republic, please consider becoming a Supporting Member with a recurring monthly donation of your choosing, between a cup of tea and a good dinner.

Or make a one-time donation in any amount.