“The theist position is that a deity exists“
Actually it’s completely unnecessary for this to be the Theist position. Certainly in arguments Theist posit that God exists. Atheist do the same thing.
The actual Theist position however is nothing more or less than a lack of belief in the non-existence of God/s. No claim is actually necessary but claims are made none the less.
I can simply say I don’t believe God does not exist. That is a lack of belief altogether.
How is this actually different from the atheist position concerning the burden of proof? Seems identical to me.
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Oh I might be inclined to agree with you; except that you already told us you were God. That don't jive too well with the quoted section above. Perhaps some theist fit what you just told us, but that ship sailed for you a while ago.
LOL...good point Ny.
Also, is it not evidence that defines truth? Does not that make the above suggested stance, untenable? I mean unless CR is not bound by needing to know truth. I mean he has faith apparently...and we all know that is not a pathway to truth.
@Nyarlothotep
Oh sure what I positively believe requires evidence. Thus far my evidence for what I positively believe has been critiqued and shown to be invalid. Fair enough. I appreciate the criticism.
But it hasn’t changed my position that I do not believe in the non-existence of God.
Edit: Also you mind quoting where I affirmed I was God? Must of been drinking some good stuff that night.
That is a very safe position; the problem is you've already gone further than that. It seems you want to retreat back to it now, and that is fine with me. How long do you think you can maintain those self imposed boundaries this time? My guess is not long, but hey, it's just a guess.
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I linked it once already in this thread. But here sure:
You give us 3 positions, one of them was
"C.) I am God", which is the one you"subscribed"to.@Nyarlothotep
There are no boundaries in unbelief there is simply trial and error until you get it right. I’m free to chase after whatever problems I desire to tackle.
Edit: Also
“I do not subscribe to C because if I were God and reality is dependent on me and truly up to me then I ought to be able to stop whomever I desire from dying.”
Sure, you're free to contradict yourself as much as you want. It seems you are off to a good start (read below):
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Right, then you told us:
@Nyarlathotep
“Therefore I subscribe to C an eternal being as yet undefined.”
The letter C is obviously a typo if you read the rest of the statement. “an eternal being as yet undefined”
I only have access to what you write. If you don't mean what you write, that's on you.
@Nyarathotep
You’re also most welcome to play games as well.
@Catholicray,
You are invited to be more specific in what you say and the only thing that crosses your mind is to handwave it?
@catholicray: NEVER HAVE I HEARD SUCH A RUN OF BULLSHIT!
ATHEISTS DO THE SAME THING: No, they don't. But I will treat this as a side comment and not related to the assertion above.
YOU ARE UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY CONFUSED.
"A lack of belief in the non-existence of God's does not imply God's exists. It only asserts that the theist does not believe in the non-existence of gods." And it certainly does not indicate which God you are talking about. Must we redo the Star Analogy? "God exists," is a claim. It can be accepted or rejected based on the evidence. "God does not exist." Is a claim, it can be accepted or rejected based on the evidence.
All you have said is that theists do not accept the claim that "God does not exist." This says nothing at all about whether or not they believe the claim "God Exists." God exists. and God does not exist. are two separate claims.
It is not different from the atheist position at all when one considers belief is allocated to the evidence provided. YOU ARE USING ABSOLUTE THINKING. I do not believe god exists to 99.999% I believe god does exist with 0.0009% certainty, Most atheist will admit that they can not actually know for 100% certain. There is no way to know with 100% certainty. All you are doing is arguing degree of certainty and you want to conclude everything as absolute. It's not.
The main difference to your assertion and the ones made by atheist is that you are using all or nothing thinking and atheists ascribe a degree of belief to the degree of evidence provided.
If I ask you, "Do you believe God exists?" And you respond, "Well, I don't believe God does not exist." You are evading the question. I did not ask you if you believed god did not exist. TRY THIS: "Do you believe you stole money from the bank?" "Well, I don't not believe I stole money from the bank." "So you stole money from the bank?" "I didn't say that. "I said I didn't not believe that I stole money from the bank." "So did you steal money from the bank or not?" "DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT."
ALL YOU ARE DOING IS PLAYING WORD GAMES.
@Cognistic
I see your bullshit and raise you some more bullshit.
If I ask you does God exist and you say I don’t believe God exists then you’re evading the question and all your bullshit follows from your above post.
Edit: I await your word games.
catholicray,
"If I ask you does God exist and you say I don’t believe God exists then you’re evading the question and all your bullshit follows from your above post."
It is very easy for you to prove that God exists. You simply have to do the things that the Jesus character said that you can do if you have faith in him.
So, walk outside and command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water. If it does as you command without any outside help you are off to a good start. Then out out on the water in your bare feet without any aids and without sinking into the water and get the tree back onto land. You can't go around polluting the water. After that go to the nearest hospital and lay your hands on the patients and cure them of their ailments. The doctors will get pssed at your and you might get arrested for practicing medicine without a license but you can get those charges dismissed simply by telling the prosecutor to forget it.
So, are you up to proving that God exists? If so do those things between 9 AM and noon two days from now. Be sure to get on the tv news.
I don’t have to prove a damn thing lol. I don’t believe in the non existence of God.
If someone asks me if I robbed a bank and I reply I don’t believe I robbed a bank it’s their burden to prove I robbed it. Not my problem.
Nobody would ask you if you robbed a bank, there would be no reason for anyone to even consider you a suspect, would there be.
Unless they have evidence otherwise.
Theitards are the only folk that believe in something without evidence. Atheists use reason, and in turn, have more sense.
@doG
Your fundamentally wrong. What I positively believe is merely a product of my position that I do not believe in the non-existence of God. You keep trying to change my foundation to a positive belief.
LOL...you missed the boat. I forgot about your dishonesty and gave you too much credit.
"I don’t believe in the non existence of God."
Is your stance falsifiable or unfalsifiable?
@doG
“I don’t believe in the existence of God”
Is your stance falsifiable or unfalsifiable?
Perhaps it is I who have given you too much credit.
Ummmm ya...next time wave your hands in the air...maybe it will prevent it from going over your head.
Stance, fnarrr, and and on the word games go.
Atheism is still defined as the absence or lack of belief in a deity or deities.
Write to the publishers of the Oxford English dictionary?
Seriously you're trolling right?
Yes. Because you have not made a claim. I did nit accuse you of being a theist however. You admitted to it. You said "I robbed the bank." ("I believe in god.") Are you recanting?
No one cares if you do not believe that god does not exist.
It's in his profile, a non atheist and under beliefs Christian.
QED
Yes, It's their burden of proof to prove you robbed it. So what? Not believing you robbed is says nothing. About whether you robbed it or not. i.e. you could have felt entitled to the money and so you just took it. YOu may be insane and have no idea at all of the difference between right and wrong. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE.
I don't reply "I don't believe God exists" to that question. That does not answer that question. My response would be "I have no reason to think God exists." The focus is on the evidence not on the assertion. Another response you might get is "Which god are you talking about?" Before I can answer I have to know what you are talking about. This was the question that pissed off Maddie before she left the site with all her subjective woo woo. Once you define your god, I can tell you if that god exists or not, Most definitions of God end up being self contradictory. Other definitions are useless anyway and it does not matter if they exist or not as they have no influence at all on anything in this world.
@Cognostic
The definition (not a claim as to whether it exists or not) is omnipotent, omnipresent, Omniscience, moral perfection. Taking the absolute stance and insisting these are paradoxes rather than contradictions. I’m in the dialtheism camp. Ultimately my position here is I do not believe in the non-existence of paradoxes.
@Catholicray Re: "I’m in the dialtheism camp."
Wow... Fascinating! I was totally unaware they had 1-900 numbers you could call to have phone sex with your favorite god(s)! I bet your credit card bills are outrageous! Hmmm... Being a "religious" organization, I wonder if they are tax-exempt like churches?
@Tin-Man
It’s the only option available thus far things change as we discover more it’s merely a direction of my line of thinking. To be clear my ultimate position is NOT dialtheism it is that I do not believe in the non-existence of paradoxes.
dialtheism = dualtheism
Use a fucking dictionary.
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@Cognostic
No one said “lack of belief in the non-existence of God” means there’s a God. It doesn’t have to it’s a lack of belief chief.
It’s your burden to share that my lack of belief is invalid. Got any evidence?
Nope! As long as you understand it is not an assertion that there is a god, we are in agreement.
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