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I think you just said what we are trying to say?
Their could not possibly be Kangaroo's in Australia, or any large animals that could not make the incredibly long journey to Australia If their was a great flood 5000'ish years ago that covered the entire earth and the only survivors were on noah's ark, (or some variation of.) The great flood/noah's ark story has a huge amount of reasoning/logic flaws that does not account for many things. The only way to make noah's ark story "work" is that god use an enormous amount of "magic power" that defies all human understanding of how everything works, and did everything in the noah's ark story in a much harder way than it needed to be. All described in concepts that someone that lived a couple thousand years ago could more readily understand, but a person today armed with so much more knowledge that is available today can only say "that is ridiculous for so many reasons!"
And of course it was not kangaroo's that crossed the land bridges available 100+ million years ago, it was the distant cousin of the kangaroo evolutionary wise it probably looked and acted nothing like the kangaroo today.
@John 61X Breezy "non-marsupial animals on Australia"
The only non-marsupial mammals in Australia are rats, bats, and dogs. The bats and rodents arrived here about 15 million years. They probably came down through Southeast Asia when sea levels were lower during ice ages. The dogs (dingoes) arrived with the aborigines a few 10s of thousands of years ago. All other placental mammals were brought by Europeans over the past couple of hundred years. The rest are marsupials and monotremes (egg-laying mammals).
Spiders, crocodiles, ants, snakes, mosquitos, and so forth. That's what I was referring to.
@John 61X Breezy "Spiders, crocodiles, ants, snakes, mosquitos, and so forth."
I think they go way back beyond the dinosaurs to the supercontinent era. They could have walked, crawled or flown to Australia.
You don't try an prove a negative. If there is a lack of or no evidence, then there is no evidence. There is a lack of evidence for proving a god or gods exist. John do you have testable evidence a god exist? Will it pass peer review? Evolution does not rely on the fossil records.
As my professor told the class recently, "you can't argue with evidence, by you can argue how it is interpreted." That is the difference here. I don't care what evidence you cite, I care how you interpret it.
Common Mycob4: give me a break here, I can attest that it is probable that God exist You want so much for us to believe you like you have to prove a point, like a little child.Read saint Thomas Aquinas shorter summa and his reasons for what he thinks are probable reasons for a God.nothing comes from nothing something started this and that I call God.Take the argument for teleological design the cossanants are just so mathematically that the are no coincidental reasons here. Yes Mycob4 No matter if you like the idea or not your arms are to short to box with God. Get a life.
A few months ago you told us god didn't exist. Why should anyone take your word on the matter now?
Your attesting that god exists means nothing without actual repeatable demonstrable peer reviewed real world evidence aka proof.
I attest that I have 3 arms! It is true until you prove otherwise. BTW just like your god, I choose to remain hidden, I am not going to "show you" my 3 arms. I am not going to submit any pictures of me, or any other sort of testable evidence. I do have a book here that says I have 3 arms that a friend of mine wrote, I have tricked a lot of people into believing I have 3 arms...
I may be lying out of my ass about all of this, but you can't prove it!
@Science follower: "I can attest that it is probable that God exist"
That's a rather wishy-washy fence-sitting statement for a true believer. I thought you Jesus freaks knew deep down in your hearts that god was real. No ifs, buts, or probables.
No science follower, you don't get away with a personal attack just because you don't have any proof of a god.
I could care less of thomas aquinas. Why would I care about the mutterings of someone that only uses politically edited scribblings to fit his narrative?
It has been proven that something comes from nothing. That proof has been peer reviewed and substantiated. I don't box with god because there is no god.
This statement you made "Take the argument for teleological design the cossanants are just so mathematically that the are no coincidental reasons here." Is just gibberish. It makes no sense. Even if such evidence was actually credible, it STILL doesn't prove a god. There is always a gap in the arguments by believers. They NEVER and I mean NEVER make a direct connection. They just say things like perceived organization eludes to a god.
It isn't at all probable that there is a god. Millennia of years to prove positively a god and nothing, zilch, nada, zero. I'd say that it is highly unlikely that there is a god.
Due to a lack of evidence, I can say with confidence and absolute correctness that there is no god by default!
And you can shove the little child comment up your ass!
I was playing the devils advocate, tell me why did the jewish followers of Judaism leave there faith and turn to Christianity, If jesus didn`t impress people by healings and rising from the tomb do you really think that the Christian faith would have materialized.
"tell me why did the jewish followers of Judaism leave there faith and turn to Christianity"
Because they were chumps.
There's a very good historical documentary about this process. It's called "Life of Brian."
science follower,
Why did all of those loonies believe in Jim Jones and kill themselves? Why do so many people believe in Scientology? People are basically stupid creatures. We all have our blind spots. So while we may think other people are nuts for believing in their imaginary buddies we also believe in our own imaginary buddies and they also think that we are nuts just like we think they are nuts.
You just have to be smart enough to know that they are imaginary buddies and not real ones. Don't con yourself.
What I am stating is there is a good probable explanation that GOD exist.Nothing comes from nothing here, So lets not kid ourselves, All you atheist may not accept this but it won`t go away here. You could rant and rave but I think that maybe your doing this because either your morals are lacking or your doing it for political reasons you have an agenda here, To be politically correct not to rock the boat to be accepted here.You don`t want to turn yourself over to GOD because you don`t like the standards that a religious person should live by, You want to do your own thing, to be accepted by the world.
@science follower
1) the history of christians is that HAVE NO MORALS or ETHICS. The largest demographic of inmates is christian!
2) Atheists don't lack morals.
3) Atheists don't turn themselves over to god because there is no god.
science follower
Do you need faith to prove your god is real? Is faith a path to truth? Still waiting on the testable evidence your god is real. It has to pass peer review too.
So, you speak of the solitary power problem, in that one does not have to know everything about something in order to be justified in believing it. This cannot be proven with absolute certainty, history and common sense affirm it; that anything might arise without a cause." Uncaused beginnings are problematic no matter what or who you may be talking about. Christians maintain only God can create something from nothing, but nothing from nothing...then logically speaking science follower .... if nothing comes from nothing, then nothing exists nor will it ever, including God.
A Matter of Gravity by Professor John Lennox
Professor Lennox, a mathematician at Oxford responds to the errors of atheists with science, logic, and clarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63-fkyDtOc&t=90s
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Really? Errors of Atheists?
I don't see anything in that YouTube video that proves a god.
Basically, this professor Lennox doesn't successfully dispute Hawkings. Rather he modifies Hawking's findings to shoot them down.
1) Hawkings proves that the universe did not need a god to be created. Lennox never disproves this he simply suggests that it can't happen. A HUGE mistake by Lennox.
2) Lennox makes the same mistake that EVERY believer makes and demands that we accept it. They all come to a point in their line of illogic where one HAS to make a leap of faith. He provides NO definitive or substantive proof that a god exists. Thus the fallacy in HIS argument.
What it seems to me here, that this is a case of an obscure lowly professor trying to make a name for himself off of the genius of Stephen Hawking. Hence a blurry YouTube video instead of a paper published in a well-respected science journal.
No this video you submitted falls far short of a real argument that there is a god, but is rather the desperate attempts at fame. No REAL substance, no proof at all.
I am rather put out that I spent the time to watch such a dismal pathetic video. It was a complete waste of time.
GeniusIsDisruptive
Has this professor lennox's work been peer reviewed? Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. Atheism has nothing to do with science. A lot of Atheist do use logic and clarity when debating theist about their god. Is faith the path to truth? Does it take faith to prove your god?
All of the evidence for the existence of gods is man-made. We've explored our planet and its history, the solar system, and much of the cosmos, but signs of gods are found only in conjunction with human beings. Examples include temples, statues, churches, cathedrals, holy books, and lots of big hats. There are no churches on mars, no statues of gods on the moons of Jupiter. Nor is there any evidence of gods in the fossil or geological records before the emergence of homo sapiens. Whenever gods are depicted in art, they have the appearance of human beings (with the honorable exception of the FSM).
All of this proves that gods are the products of human beings and have no independent existence outside of the human imagination. I think I'll call this the "deus ex hominibus" argument, since I'm arguing that gods come out of men.
Very well put.
Man created god. NOT the other way around.
Santa Claus for adults.
All gods are imaginary.
Humans are basically superstitious twits that love to believe in all kinds on imaginary beings. It's an universal trait common to everyone. We all believe in imaginary beings even if we deny the existence of "gods".
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