There are, in my opinion, three main fears that make us prey to religions and their various con-man. The first is, obviously, death. People with the delusion of religions, can't comprehend that death is the permanent, irreversible cessation of existence of your self.
Secondly, the fear of the unknow, we don't know what can be lurking in the dark, we don't know what is lightning and you can go on...
Last the fear of being insignificant, not in control. Some disaster happens? The gods have a plan! Some person has hurt you in some way? Karma is a bitch!!!!
Religions keep us as eternal infants, robbing us of our dignity and future.
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I would add laziness to your list. Having someone direct one’s every action and thought certainly relieves one from expending the time and energy to do so.
But laziness is not a fear. The thread specifically says fear.
@CHK-C I disagree. Laziness is in fact an outward manifestation of fear of failure. (Contingent on separating the idea of being lazy from actually feeling depressed or tired.) Lazy - engaging in activities that are not getting you anyplace. Watching TV, Video Games, simple entertainments. It is easier to be comfortable, lazy, than it is to seek new challenges and put yourself or your ideas at risk. I will grant other reasons for being lazy; however, fear is certainly among them
I am currently counseling a young man with a significant social problem. He asserts he wants to find a girlfriend. He spends all his time playing computer games and drinking with his buddies. He spends no time at all saying 'Hi" to girls or working on social skills. Every interaction with a girl, in his mind, is overly significant. His fear of interaction is the root cause of his laziness. He can be a successful video game player and popular with his friends to feed his ego. He need not risk failure by moving into uncharted territory.
This is a real problem in Korean culture. Koreans significantly lack social skills when relating to the opposite gender. This culture is a high contact culture with regards to same sex and a very low contact culture between sexes. Opposite most Western Countries.
What a stretch! I bet if you try hard enough, you can define everything as fear.
Wait, this isn't the first time you replied to my posts with reference to Koreans, which appeared to be out of nowhere.
Do you think I'm Korean? I'm not, but so what if I am?
@HK-C - RE: "Do you think I'm Korean?" No, just a slow learner. Not to worry though. You will catch up with the other children some day. (You would not know what a "stretch" was if it jumped up and bit you in the ass.)
PSYCHOLOGY TODAY
"Other factors that can lead to ‘laziness’ are fear and hopelessness."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hide-and-seek/201505/the-cause...
HIDDEN CAUSES OF LAZINESS YOU SHOULD KNOW
Is laziness a personality trait, or are there other reasons behind it? Many people don’t know that depression, fear, or stress are some of the hidden causes of laziness.
https://exploringyourmind.com/hidden-causes-of-laziness-you-should-know/
10 PSYCHOLOGICAL CAUSES OF LAZINESS
7 & 8. Fear of failure or rejection
http://lazymotivated.com/blog/10-psychological-causes-laziness/
YouTube / Fear and Laziness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOs1O-21ng
12 WAYS TO OVERCOME FEAR AND LAZINESS
https://motivationgrid.com/12-ways-to-overcome-fear-and-laziness/
FEAR, NOT LAZINESS, IS WHAT PROMOTES PROCRASTINATION
https://www.jsonline.com/story/life/green-sheet/advice/philip-chard/2018...
HOW TO OVERCOME LAZINESS (OVERCOME FEAR)
https://thoughtcatalog.com/marty-uhnak/2018/02/how-to-overcome-laziness-...
YOU'RE NOT LAZY, YOUR JUST AFRAID / COURAGEOUS LIFE
https://www.yourcourageouslife.com/youre-not-lazy/
4 REAL REASONS WHY PEOPLE PROCRASTINATE
Reason #3: Fear: Fear is a massive reason for procrastination. Yet, most people have no clue that fear is the reason why they procrastinate. Fear creates excuses that seem legitimate enough so that you’ll stop taking action and go back to your comfort zone.
https://medium.com/personal-growth-lab/the-4-real-reasons-why-you-procra...
QUORA:
Q: DO YOU THINK LAZINESS IS A KIND OF FEAR?
A: It definitely can be - when it is called procrastination.
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-laziness-is-a-kind-of-fear
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You're really trying hard to link laziness to fear. Even if you succeed to establish the link, laziness is not fear. By similar logic, you can argue that diligence, which is the opposite of laziness, is caused by the fear of failure.
If you define everything to be fear, the word fear loses its meaning.
@CHK-C - I would assert that you are attempting really hard to maintain your ignorance, but alas, I fear you are even too lazy for that.
NO ONE HAS CALLED THEM THE SAME THING. "LAZINESS IS AN OUTWARD MANIFESTATION OF FEAR." You really do not need more than a High School Equivalency to grasp the concept but if you ever get to University try Psych 101 as one of your electives. How in the fuck does your mommy allow you near a computer? (Obviously if English is not your first language, "Apologies." Had I known you were having difficulty with translation I would have been much nicer.)
My reply to CyberLN was that "laziness is not fear", that's it, and you disagreed.
God you are dense!!!! SOME laziness is DIRECTLY LINKED TO FEAR - IT IS A SYMPTOM OF FEAR IN THE SAME WAY RED SPOTS ARE A SYMPTOM OF MEASLES AND STUPID COMMENTS ARE A SYMPTOM OF IGNORANCE. LAZINESS IS HOW FEAR IS EXPRESSED - LAZINESS IS FEAR WHEN IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF FEAR. GO READ A FRIGGING BOOK!!!
Laziness being linked to fear doesn't mean laziness is fear.
And how about stop insulting me about my education, knowledge and language skills like you did in your replies to me all along.
How about just focusing on what I say?
Stop being retarded. Have a cookie, go to your room. The little yellow bus will be here early. And remember, if you are going to color, don't eat the crayons.
HOW ABOUT JUST READING A BOOK!
There you go again with your insults.
I guess that's your MO. Got it.
Tell you what. I will pretend you are not fucking stupid one more time. You are obviously too dense to read any of the information I left for you so I will take it down a notch to kindergarten level.
FEAR - is an emotion. What things do you do when you are afraid children? That's right! You scream, you run away, you hide, sometimes you fight back like when you are afraid of looking like a fucking moron. How do you know you are afraid? You body shakes, your stomach feels queasy, and you avoid fearful situations by being lazy and not trying or by doing things that make you feel good.
These are Behaviors. Can you say "Behavior.: These behaviors are manifested by and are a part of fear reactions. A fearful scream is different than a joyful scream, just as fearful laziness is different from being brain dead. Hope that helps.
Look, all I said was "laziness is not fear". You disputed that, and that's fine.
We can disagree on the subject and have a debate, but you resorted to insults and condescension.
I never said anything bad about you, but look what you have said about me.
With people like you here, no wonder there are so few theists who would stick around.
YES LAZINESS IS FEAR. Laziness is also disease. Laziness is also lack of sleep. Laziness is also a quality of being unwilling to work or use energy. Laziness is sadness. Laziness is depression. Laziness is homesickness. Laziness is Culture shock. Laziness is alcoholism or drug abuse. Laziness is lack of motivation. Laziness is apathy to the world around you. Laziness can be a sign of introversion. Laziness is shyness. Being lazy is relaxing. Being lazy is taking a break. Being lazy is a symptom of poor health. Being lazy is also a lack of self worth.
Here is a thought for you. Laziness is not just laziness. It does not occur on its own. There is a reason for laziness that is not laziness itself.
You want to argue more intelligently - demonstrate that laziness is not connected. Demonstrate pure laziness with no motivation behind it at all. Laziness for the sake of laziness and no other reason.
Like I said before, if you argue that laziness is fear, then I can also argue that diligence is also fear.
The word fear then loses its meaning.
Also, this is what you said : "NO ONE HAS CALLED THEM THE SAME THING."
No it does not.... Yes, Diligence is an expression of fear.... especially extreme fear. Nothing is lost --- FEAR IS EXPRESSED.
SHOW ME LAZINESS FOR THE SAKE OF LAZINESS. SHOW ME LAZINESS EXISTING ON ITS OWN FOR NO REASON AT ALL OR JUST GIVE UP.
Let's be honest, if someone tells you he doesn't want to go to work and just wants to be lazy, would you think he's afraid?
In my opinion, you are very disrespectful, and unwilling to consider any information given to you. All that Cog is saying is that it’s easier for a person to remain comfortable in their life, even if it’s unhealthy and/or unhappy, then to go through the processes of solving problems. That is laziness brought upon by fear of change, fear of people, fear of a new life. Most challenges in life can be solved with hard work, but there are plenty of people who fear change and take the lazy way out.
Throughout this conversation, not once did I insult Cognostic. He, on the other hand, continuously insulted me.
And somehow I'm very disrespectful?
No.... let's just keep being stupid. We are so good at it.
Remember, when you said "NO ONE HAS CALLED THEM THE SAME THING", you were basically admitting that laziness is not fear.
You're obviously arguing for the sake of argument, and you seem incapable of doing so without continuous insulting me.
I see no point to continue with this BS.
@ CHK-C
Get used to Cog. He does not pull his punches or suffer fools gladly..or in any way at all. Cog is direct, to the point and does not present a motherfucking box of chocolates with every point he makes.
Cog has seen wishy washy theists, anti theists, atheists, agnostics and just about every ism and ist come through these hallowed halls...and guess what, his direct approach has not changed.
If you want to argue with Cog, feel free, score some points, we will all applaud you. Pull the victim card and you will be hooted off with derision. Who the fuck cares if a few delusionists can't take their medicine. Who the double fuck cares about your feelings?
Person up CHK-C, take your lumps, in this argument you are dead wrong, Ko'd and on the canvas. No foul punch was thrown, you were decked by an old pro.
Laziness is a symptom of fear. Deal with it and thank uncle banana brain for pointing it out.
You have made some good points in your replies to threads. Do not fuck it up now.
Cog and I disagree (often virulently) about many things, but now we know how to apologise and admit error...can you learn that?
Laziness may be a symptom of fear, but that does not mean laziness is fear.
ANALOGY: (Red spots and a high fever are the symptoms of measles.) but you are saying "they are not measles itself." "Yes they are measles. That is how we identify them. They are not just measles as they might be chicken pox, a severe rash, chemical exposure or anything else (INCLUDING FEAR BY THE WAY). Whatever the cause, they are a direct link to it. Without them, you would have a different cause. You don't identify measles without symptoms. You don't get to fear without symptoms. The symptoms are a part of the emotion. The outward manifestation of internally held emotion.
Demonstrate laziness for the sake of laziness.
Disrespectful is not reading the information I have given you and continuously repeating the EXACT same inane assertion over and over and over as if you think you are having a discussion. I could have visited Monty Pythons Argument Clinic and had a deeper and more insightful discussion. Your ignorance is unbounded. Demonstrate laziness for the sake of laziness with no underlying motivation.
@CHK-C Re: Laziness and fear
Dang, dude. C'mon.... Everything Cog is saying is really just Basic Psychology 101. Hell, even I can follow and understand what banana brain is saying.
As for your feeling you have been insulted in some way, I would suggest you take your touchy wittle feewings off your sleeve and tuck them away somewhere nice and secure prior to entering the room. Hate to burst your bubble, but you are not special. Cog happens to be a very direct asshole to everybody. If you do not like it, then that is YOUR problem, not his. I'm afraid you are whining and crying to the wrong crowd here, young man. Just sayin'...
Yes, surely it is on the list, but make a list of only three seems to be the norm in literature so... Another one might be to relieve oneself of his or her responsability for one's actions. It is the thing that makes me explode (no pun intended) when it comes to religion.
Hey Talyyn,
Ya...us stupid humans. Yes I agree with your view overall...fear of death and the unknown definitely have there roots in our innate propensity for survival as a species, or living thing. I am not so sure about the fear of insignificance, as very few people have that drive for success to develop this fear...also considering...most theitards mostly submit subservience to their mythical god, and are happy to remain subservient, which is not actually in line with fear of insignificance. Fear of being alone, is a big one that drives all humans to be social animals amongst our species...just a thought.
I would like to go a step further however. Humans have the innate trait of reason. Being able to reason that something is true or not, or even that fear is warranted, or, also, unwarranted. So, fear is not the end determinant of belief...yes it may pack people in, as religions do, and keep them afraid...but reason should do its job also.
I can't figure out why, so many fail at reason, and opt for the security of obvious myth. If we have the ability to reason so quickly and accurately, what makes our brains discard truth?
...and for my next stupid human trick, I will kill others who believe differently, in the name of my mythical deity. Allah, god, whomever...be praised. WTF?
Interesting. When I allowed religions to "prey" on me, it was out of loneliness. The god / jesus thing was my substitute father. The Jesus/God thing was someone who loved me when I had no one to love. Fear of being alone in the world??? Possibly. More probably just a place to hang my hat until I realized I was making everything up.
Not saying you are incorrect. I think you are addressing some valid points. At the same time there are many other reasons for people to be religious. Frankly speaking, religions will use any manipulative device they can think of to get another believer in the pew forking out those dollars.
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