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mykcob4's picture
I have read it, Sirk, more

I have read it, Sirk, more times than you could guess. I have read the Federalist Papers so I know the intent of the Amendment.
It isn't an Ideological presumption to know that the second amendment only allows you to have a gun if you are IN A WELL REGULATED MILITIA!
You pro-gun types are the ones with an ideological presumption. You purposely leave out the part of a well-regulated militia. You cherry pick the amendment for your own political idealism.

Sirkenstien's picture
It is speaking to the

It is speaking to the individual citizen as well as the state. Your presumption doesn't make any sense. The feds say, ok states, you can have guns but your inhabitants can't unless they are part of your state militia. That makes zero sense. Especially in light of the era they were living in. Where a gun was necessary for your very survival just on every level. Not even considering that a well armed populace can protect itself from the berm of a ditch.

mykcob4's picture
@Sirk Now who is proposing a

@Sirk Now who is proposing a presumptive ideology. The Second Amendment reads exactly:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It doesn't say anything about if it makes sense to YOU or not. It states clearly "A well regulated militia..."

Sirkenstien's picture
AND the people.

AND the people.

Randomhero1982's picture
Sirk - I wouldn't dispute

Sirk - I wouldn't dispute that pal, im looking at it in an almost utopian perspective...

I would love to see it happen but I very much doubt it will happen, personally I think you have more chance of CERN creating a portal to Mordor then this happening, but we can hope.

I don't say what I say because I think Europe has it better then the US... I say it purely as I like the US and the people, and it's a shame to see the problems occurring with him crime.

Randomhero1982's picture
Sirk - I wouldn't dispute

But perhaps some perspective is needed? Consider the era it was created?
And you've erased amendments before such as slavery and prohibition.

Again I wouldn't expect change at all but still you can hope for improvement.

In the UK we used to have a law where it was legal to shoot a Welshman from the city walls with a crossbow... stood for years(because it was forgotten)... it's since been scrapped. Lol

Sirkenstien's picture
No doubt there are laws that

No doubt there are laws that are on the books that are preposterous. 3 or more native Americans walking together is considered a war party. The thing is about this whole gun control thing, it won't work. And the criminals aren't gonna turn them in. And the govt wants to leave me defenseless so they can "protect" me?

What will work is Americans shutting off the noise that comes at them from a million angles, stirring them up into lunatics that leave the thinking part of their brain at home and then going out and sowing discord and ill content. But then again, that is exactly what statists want in the first place. It's all a giant mind fuck....all of it. And it's done on a massive scale thru internet and tv.

Another perspective that gets overlooked I feel, are the millions of Americans in rural areas who ranch, farm, hunt etc. The city folk don't understand that lifestyle in the least and have no right to speak on behalf of it. And certainly don't have the right to take it away from them. At least not under the constitution.

mykcob4's picture
Bullshit Sirk!

Bullshit Sirk!
The people that ranch blah blah blah.
It has been proven that keeping guard animals is far more effective than using guns to protect livestock. There is NO need for hunting. What is needed is to protect wildlands from development and encroachment. leaving preditors alone to do their job and maintain the wild herds keeps those herds healthier.
BTW in nations where people don't have guns they farm and ranch really well, so don't hand me that I need guns to ranch and farm bullshit.
And it is far cheaper and safer to buy food than to hunt for it, not even counting the diseases that people get from animals that they've shot and not prepared correctly. People don't actually hunt anyway. Oh, they shoot and kill animals but they don't hunt. They go to deer leases where the deer have been trained with corn all year long. They get led to where the deer expect the corn that is laid out for them to be and they blast away with high powered rifles. THAT'S NOT HUNTING!

Sirkenstien's picture
I can't even read all your

I can't even read all your post. There is a lot of tradition and family activities that fathers and sons do together around hunting and fishing and the outdoors. If you wanna go hang with your metrosexual buddies in your skinny jeans have at it. You wouldn't survive out here. Nothing wrong with that...just that you don't know that fuck your're talking about.

mykcob4's picture

You don't know me at all. I am a 22 veteran of the USMC. I am an expert with weapons, tracking, land navigation, self-defense. You and I could go out into the woods (wild). And in 3 days I could take your weapon away from you. I could shoot you on the move with steel sites at more than 800 yards.
I don't own a pair of skinny jeans.
I know EXACTLY what I am talking about, probably better than you.
I have shot more people than I care to remember. Oh, and they were shooting back. They weren't some half-tamed deer passively grassing on food laid out for them waiting for a hillbilly to come along and blast them.
I'd like to see you face my friends and call them a metrosexual. Some are in the FBI, some are Secret Service agents, some are now cops, all were in the USMC.
It's YOU that don't know what you are talking about.

Sirkenstien's picture
oh...and you know me I take

oh...and you know me I take it. People that do all those things dont have to to brag about it. At least none of the ones I know. Sounds like you're blowing smoke.

mykcob4's picture
Think what you want Sirk. You

Think what you want Sirk. You attacked me and my friends personally because you don't have a valid argument.

Sirkenstien's picture
It's just not valid to you...

It's just not valid to you....becuase you don't get it. Armchair internet warrior who talks tough with big cusswords.

mykcob4's picture
Yeah right, Sirk.

Yeah right, Sirk.
I get it. You don't have a valid argument so you start trying to emasculate them. It indicates that you are homophobic and without any valid reason. I don't care if you believe who I am. It makes no difference to me. It is of no consequence.

Sirkenstien's picture
Nope.....turn about is fair

Nope.....turn about is fair play. If you can dish it out you should be able to take it. I think you're a fraud.

mykcob4's picture
Oh, here we go, the old

Oh, here we go, the old accuse the messenger bullshit.
So what are you going to do just call me a fraud because you don't have an argument?
Look, pal, I don't care if you don't believe me. You accused me of not knowing a thing about hunting or using a gun. That isn't the case. The only reason you accused me of being a metrosexual is
1) You got backed into a corner and didn't know what to do and
2) You think that emasculating someone will get you out of the corner you painted yourself in.
You blindly and unknowingly accused me AND my friends of being something that we are not. Now because you did that you feel the need to call me a fraud.
Maybe you live in rural America, maybe you have a few guns, maybe you even know how to use them, but you don't have ANY fucking expert credibility and NO reason to accuse anybody of anything!

Sirkenstien's picture
I knew the moment I saw the

I knew the moment I saw the way you talked to people on here that your are nothing but a blow hard. I think I hit the nail on the head with you and it pissed you off,

mykcob4's picture
No Sirk you didn't nail

No Sirk you didn't nail anything. I'm not pissed off. Just because you act like the cliche NRA freak. I expect that kind of behavior from you.
I didn't attack you personally and still haven't, but you keep digging a hole you can't get out of.

Sirkenstien's picture
He calls me a freak and then

He calls me a freak and then says he didn't attack me. Lol. The dissonance is strong in this one.

mykcob4's picture
I said you attacked like one.

I said you attacked like one. I didn't call you a freak.

Sirkenstien's picture
'Just because you act like

'Just because you act like the cliche NRA freak.'

Oh my bad....I guess I should have all felt warm and fuzzy when you likened me to freak. If you wanna argue semantics we can do that too.

Sirkenstien's picture
Besides, just as a matter of

Besides, just as a matter of common sense us humans should not forget how to be hunter gatherers and to be self sufficient. It wouldn't take much for humanity to be back to donkeys with pots clanging on the sides. An asteroid, solar flair, yellowstone erupting etc etc.

mykcob4's picture
That is ridiculous. You

That is ridiculous. You obviously watch too many movies!

Cognostic's picture
No one needs a gun? Are you

No one needs a gun? Are you people completely unaware of the Federal governments land grabs and the militarization of our police force. Are you willing to succumb to policing for profit scams? What are you going to do when the Federal government comes knocking on your door?

Every man from age 16 to 45 is automatically a part of a well regulated militia. That's what a militia is. he Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right belongs to individuals,[5][6] while also ruling that the right is not unlimited and does not prohibit all regulation of either firearms or similar devices. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right per the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.

The 2nd amendment is an inalienable right. In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" The Second Amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government."

mykcob4's picture
You hit upon one truth. The

You hit upon one truth. The Constitution does NOT grant any right. All rights are inalienable.
What you did say that is absolutely incorrect is "Every man from age 16 to 45 is automatically a part of a well regulated militia."
The fact is a well-regulated militia is a group of civilians that is regulated supplied and trained by the government. The job of said militia is to respond when called upon to defend the government. The reason for this provision is because there is no provision for a standing Army in the Constitution. If you read the Federalist Papers it is explained.


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