What is the best atheists' argument against God existing?
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@ dejess / OP
"I know God exists, and I like to know very much the best argument from atheists against God existing."
Well for us to debate, we will need to sort out your first statement, "I know god exists". Let me ask you, how do you know god exists? You see I have no reason to believe that a god exists, so to actually debate on existence, you will have to tell people a reason why a god exists firstly. So again, how do you know god exists?
Dear atheists here of the self-designated Atheist Republic:
You can call yourselves a republic, etc., but you have no argument against God existing.
Let us work together to concur on what is an argument; but you also refuse to engage in such a mutual task, because you know that with an argument against God existing, things could and would turn out that you have no argument whatsoever, but pure arbitrary belief, nothing of any rational thinking at all.
Here is my last post previous to the present one.
Sat, 04/07/2018 - 05:47
Don't forget the OP!
Produce your arguments against God existing.
Produce your argument in 100 words or less, or let us work together to understand mutually what is an argument and how to work out an argument.
No one has demonstrated sufficient evidence for a deity.
This won't change no matter how much you troll this sight.
You can stick your 100 words the same place you can stick your fictional deity.
Have a nice day etc etc...
Already did that, you never replied.
If anyone else replies to him from this point, you have no reason to get your titties in a knot because because he's clearly a waste of time and a troll.
Thu, 04/05/2018 - 13:05 (Reply to #88)Permalink
Sheldon "Troll, I'm calling this one. None too bright either, even by troll standards. Though I can't rule out him being a theist as well of course."
Aha you did indeed call it first :)
To be fair I've called a few lately and those others may have been wrong, but this one gave off a stench a dead cat could smell.
How many stupid dishonest religious apologists wannabe's go to apologetics sites and find debate questions to troll sites like ours? Worse is, how many actually think that they are actually convincing anyone. It is truly sad.
Thanks, dear atheists who founded this forum, and also the owners, and also everyone working to keep it running: because you have not succumbed to the uncivil posts of your fellow atheists against me.
That is evidence that the atheists behind this forum are civil, and not giving in to their otherwise natural and normal antagonism as with the posters here - by for example, editing or even deleting my posts.
Dear readers, witness this invitation again from me to atheist posters in this thread:
Let us work together to come to concurrence on what is an argument: then you and I will examine any arguments you have read in your fellow atheist authors, who are best sellers to their of course fellow atheists.
Now, dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to see: if any atheist posters here have the courage to work with me, as to come to concur on what is an argument.
This nonsense is just like your "evidence" thread which does not require an agreement to have a definition.
If you 'concur" on an argument then the argument ceases to exist. It is an ex-argument. The argument is no more. It is a dead argument.
( apologies to MPFS team for the unashamed plagiarism)
It doesn't take courage to work with you, it takes insanity. You have not produced anything in all your post that meet one iota of sane discourse. You evade simple and logical questions. You have even changed the original inane request of your OP to one that is even more ludicrous. Your insincere complimentary appeal to the administration of this forum is nothing but a backhanded insult to the members of this forum. You are the very definition of a troll.
A number of members included me have asked you repeatedly to take a logical path to understanding but you ignore that request and just keep harping on about an action that is not only stupid and childish but pathological.
There are no arguments for the non-existence of god because there are no arguments for the existence of god. Your request defies common sense.
If you were to propose such a preposterous idea in a court of law it would be summarily dismissed. Which is what I propose as an action the forum takes with your account here.
Sun, 04/08/2018 - 22:10 Permalink
Dejess "Now, dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to see: if any atheist posters here have the courage to work with me, as to come to concur on what is an argument."
No one has demonstrated sufficient evidence for a deity.
This won't change no matter how much you lie or troll this sight.
Well, Dejuss, when you get down to it, atheists don't have to have anything, to SHOW that "God" doesn't exist.
But not all atheists say, (believe), that "God" doesn't exist. Most of us, (I think it's MOST), simply don't believe that your god DOES exist. So it's up to you to show us why we should believe that your god exists, and then up to us (or me), to decide if you've succeeded or not.
Seriously "Formeratheist" do you hear yourself?
"One scientist even thinks"
Can anyone really be so stupid as to not know that science doesn't validate things based on opinions, so who gives a flying fuck what anyone thinks. If anyone had any valid scientific objections to scientific facts like evolution they'd publish and become more famous than Darwin or Newton overnight.
This was your apotheosis of stupidity for me though.
" If your closed to outside intelligence "
Leaving aside yet another creationist who can't abbreviate you are...It's like insisting we keep an open mind about unicorns and mermaids. Present some fucking evidence then or stop talking nonsense.
Besides there being zero evidence for creationist myths, species evolution is among the most solidly evidenced facts science has. It has amassed an unprecedented amount of convergent evidence from multiple scientific fields.
Now I'm going to ask you what I ask Breezy when he starts this bullshit, and he ignores me every time unsurprisingly.
Name 2 scientific facts you deny that don't in any way contradict any part of your superstitious religious beliefs?
We all know that like Breezy your objections to the scientific fact of species evolution are not remotely scientific or you'd falsify it, but are based solely on your superstitious belief in your religion's creation myth.
So please stop pretending you have any scientific basis for denying the scientific fact of species evolution. Or that atheism has anything to do with evolution, and isn't the result of no one being able to demonstrate a shred of evidence for their hokum beliefs in a deity.
Dejess has been answered multiple times according to the terms of his original post as well as his subsequent inane terms, but he acts as though this is not the case.
So not only has Dejess lied about having empirical evidence of "god", he choose to ignore something that is immediately in front of him, and has insulted atheists by saying they have no morals. If a person such as Dejess believes things without evidence, and ignores what is readily apparent, and engages in pathological lying, they are capable of committing great acts of immorality. He claims without god, a person is immoral, which of course suggests that the only thing stopping Dejess from being immoral is his empty belief in "god". But we already know that even with his apparent certitude in the existence of "god", he engages in deceit and insincerity. It is rare that I am unable to think of a single positive trait for a person, but this is one such case.
Dear atheists and one theist FormerAtheist, you argue forever on the origin of life or in more particular, on the origin of new species.
That is very myopic from you all!
WHY DON'T YOU ARGUE ON THE ORIGIN OF EXISTENCE AT ALL?
Now, dear readers, let us sit back and witness with bated breath for atheists and one theist FormerAtheist to react to my question, Why don't you argue on the origin of existence at all?
Dejess "Now, dear readers, let us sit back and witness with bated breath for atheists and one theist FormerAtheist to react to my question, Why don't you argue on the origin of existence at all?"
I don't know how life started, and I have no idea what difference you think there is between the origins of life and the origins of existence? Existence of what if not life?
Now, one more time, what objective evidence can you demonstrate for a deity, or anything supernatural? You seem to be dodging this question. Quelle surprise, another creationists full of naught but piss and wind.
Dejess m m m m m troll m m m m m troll m m m m m troll m m
[ I thought that the post below had come out, but I could not locate it, so I will just repost it, ]
You haven't defined "god" yet (as mentioned in your OP). There is no point asking us to disprove something you haven't defined.”
Let us work together to concur on the concept of God, that you an atheist deny to exist, [b]and I know from evidence to exist[/b].
Here is my first proposal, God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
Now, dear Sapporo and Oh ye atheists in this republic, pray, tell me what is your information on the concept of God, Which you deny to exist.
And my argument for God existing is because the nose on our face exists – and it has a beginning, and also all things that exist with a beginning like the nose, for examples, babies, roses, the sun in the day sky, the moon in the evening sky, etc.
They make up evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
So, dear atheists in this republic, when you care to argue with me, you have to know some information on the concept of God.
Then you also look for evidence to the effect that there is none at all: so no evidence for God existing – in your concept of God, wherefore no God exists(?).
Who told you that existence has a beginning? We can trace the Big-Bang universe back to the Big Bang Event, but our present understanding of natural law cannot tell us what happened AT that event (or very close to it). In particular, science cannot presently say that existence first came into being there. So, your whole god argument hangs on knowing something that you cannot possibly know!
The idea of God sitting in nowhereville for eons and then, one day, deciding to create a universe is just so naive! Can you see why?
Then we have the child's question which has never been adequately answered. Who created God? Theologians do back flips through flaming hoops to make us believe that God can have no beginning whereas "mere matter" must. Fact is, if something need not have a beginning, then some combination of energy, spacetime, and matter is a superior answer. At least we know those things exist. Once we remove the smoke and mirrors the theist's objection fails. Rational thinking consists of choosing the best answer, not in demanding certainty. God is not demonstrable, making him an unnecessary layer of fat.
Dejess "Here is my first proposal, God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for this deity?
You don't have any argument because you do not know what is an argument at all.
And the fact with you atheists, is that you don't have any idea much less skill in rational thinking at all.
You see, you read about fallacies like circular reasoning, and also that the burden of the proof is with the party making an assertion.
That is all you are acquainted with but wrongly understood.
And yes, you also know about the futility of proving a negative proposition, like there is no God, but why?
Now, I ask you, so that you will realize that you don’t know about rational thinking, much less any skill in rational thinking.
How would you ever come to know whether something exists or not, when you don’t have any concept at all of that something?
That statement from me is the rebuttal of your silly understanding of circular reasoning.
Next, how would you know that there is no ice cream in the house, when you tell yourself that man cannot prove a negative proposition?
Third, how would you ascertain that someone is wrong when you do not care to prove that he is wrong, you just insist that he proves because he is the one alleging something, not you?
But he is not as intelligent as you are with silly information about wrongly understood fallacies, and he is telling you that your home is burning down!
Please, dear atheists, acquire some genuine knowledge and skill in rational thinking, instead of swallowing the silly clichés and slogans of your best selling fellow atheists, and take notice that they are only best selling to you atheists, but not to people who know rational thinking, and see that they are talking without rational thinking at all.
Okay, come on now, do you or don’t have any information of any concept of God at all?
Here comes your rote memory shallow clichés/slogans fellow brother atheist, declaring:
“I don’t need to have any information of any God, because I don’t accept the existence of any God.”
See anything wrong with that glib utterance?
Dejess m m m m troll m m m troll m m m m m m m m m troll m m
For the last time, Dejess quit trolling. Saying the same thing over and over isn't proof of anything. You have no proof of a god. Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
This thread is about any best argument from you atheists against God existing, not about my argument on God existing.
As usual, you Oh ye atheists, you are even though you don't realize it - because you are not accustomed to self-examination, into evasions instead of bringing forth your if any at all, argument against God existing.
Now you are trying to derail the thread with insisting that I should present my argument for God existing.
Have I not requested you, Oh ye atheists, to start your own thread on what from theists are their if any argument for God existing?
To date, no atheists have produced such a thread!
In sum, at this point in time, I notice and you should also if you have the habit of self-examination, you have depleted your rote memory of silly clichés and slogans, but no genuine argument against God existing.
And having depleted your stock of evasions, you do not because you are not accustomed to do rational and productive thinking at all, you do not anymore write anything at all but continue to undertake evasions, like insisting that I produce my argument on God existing.
The rational and courageously intellectual thing to do, is to introduce your thread on what is the best argument of theists on God existing.
But you don't even have any idea of what is the best argument of God existing, and wherefore you dare not present such a thread.
Dear readers here, let us sit back and with bated breath continue to observe how atheists active in this thread are now no longer verbosely productive even though engaged in evasions, because they have already exhausted their stock of silly clichés, slogans, and routine evasions.
If you Oh atheists are curious at all about the best argument from one theist, Dejess, on God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, think over this statement from me, and if you be into productive rational thinking, you will come to the best argument of God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
Here is my statement which is the core of my argument for God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning:
"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."
You are tiring and selectively deaf. You have given given several reasons for why people think there is no God and you have not answered any. Now, the simplest reasons why there is no God are the same reasons for why there is no Santa Claus, Leprechauns or Harry Potter. Do you believe these reasons? Take that argument, applied to whichever god you want and voilá! you thread is answered.
Stop gong in circles.
huh? atheists don't make arguments that gods don't exist. they don't accept claims by others that gods exist. do you have some proof that whatever gods you believe in actually exist? hint: The answer is of course not.
Tue, 04/10/2018 - 12:54 Permalink
Dejess "This thread is about any best argument from you atheists against God existing,"
The answer is still that no one can demonstrate any objective evidence for one.
"do you or don’t have any information of any concept of God at all?"
Yes, they're all fictional until someone demonstrates some objective evidence.
Have a nice day etc etc...