What is the best atheists' argument against God existing?
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"You know in your heart whether you are good or bad.
A bad person can do good deeds.
Only you know what’s in your heart
We have logic, reason and a sense of morality to figure that out ourselves..
Having those 3 things prove Gods existence in a way that they are not seen or materialized but we know they are real right?"
your god isn't any close to what you say..
like the story of "jephthah"....oh he really loves sacrifices..
god knows what happen why would he accept the sacrifice of jephthah?because god is a sadist immoral god
so much for a god who's all knowing, really bad prank for a god...stupid very fucking stupid
"But I’m not meant to be a judge of man, only God can judge me or anyone for that matter"
hypocrite!!!....shame on you..!!!you just say this because this thing didn't happen to you....
"As for the murderers and the rapist, I believe they can be saved."
what about your just god?where is the justice for the poor girl/boy?
your belief of god being a just and merciful god is really irrelevant and contradicting...you don't have to be a professor to figure this one out...you're a grown old man.......grow up....i bet you still believe in santa
try to think of it before believe and giving away your money...
"The way to make it into heaven is to believe in Jesus"
if he already paid my sin by crucifying unwillingly (god why have you forsaken me) , then why should i follow him if i'll still be saved??
good day sir...gracias!!! hipócrito
"You know in your heart whether you are good or bad."
I hate this kind of vapid nonsense, your heart is a muscle that pumps blood. Your mind determines what you think is good or bad, humans are fallible evolved primates.
"We have logic, reason and a sense of morality to figure that out ourselves..
Having those 3 things prove Gods existence"
No they don't, Hitchens's razor applied "what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
"If we just evolve from stardust "
>>Straw man, no one has claimed this, evolution is a biological fact and has nothing at all to do with the origins of life.This is a vert tired and dishonest creationist cliche.
"As for the murderers and the rapist, I believe they can be saved."
>>Who cares about delusional beliefs in an afterlife, can we alter their pernicious behaviour is a more important question.
"only God can judge me "
>>What objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity exists?
"The way to make it into heaven is to believe in Jesus and that his blood covers all of our sins"
So Hitler and Joseph Goebbels are in heaven? Then you know what you can do with heaven if it exists, but until you demonstrate some objective evidence it's just a fantasy humans created to mollify their fears of death and loss.
"Christianity is a gift.."
Yes I'm sure many hundreds of millions have gasped their last breath in the agonies of torture marvelling at the gift they were being "offered". I bet right now there are hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been irrevocably destroyed by that gift at the hands of the christian priests who raped them as children in their care, while your deity apparently sat on it's hands and let it happen....some gift that
This nauseatingly dishonest claim is crying out for a quote...
“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”
― Christopher Hitchens, god is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
I have a fun analogy
It’s between human body’s and cars
-Cars have a pcm(power train control module) the main computer that controls everything
-Humans, our brain
-Humans, arms and legs
I think you can see where I am going with this...
We are a mechanical living organism! Haha
Someone is driving the car, what’s driving us?
I believe it’s our Souls!
You guys like that?
If we come from stardust, how come it’s not a purely materialistic world? Love isn’t something you can hold in your hand, it’s the mother zebra jumping in front of the lion and sacrificing herself for her child’s life.
That wouldn’t be the case if we were living in the world that you claim it to be.
What would be wrong with eating babies?
We are all just highly developed evolved humanoids. We would all just walking around pointless with no kind of compass directing us.
Brad, you wrote, “If we come from stardust, how come it’s not a purely materialistic world? Love isn’t something you can hold in your hand,”
You can’t hold pink in your hand either.
“it’s the mother zebra jumping in front of the lion and sacrificing herself for her child’s life.
That wouldn’t be the case if we were living in the world that you claim it to be.”
I disagree. It’s called species survival and is instinctual. Or, are you suggesting that zebras have souls?
“What would be wrong with eating babies?”
They taste icky.
“We are all just highly developed evolved humanoids. We would all just walking around pointless with no kind of compass directing us.”
Don’t know about you, but I am self-directed.
and there it is...brad just leaves my questions floating...
NOW YOU'RE REALLY A TROLL.....BRAD
HUMANOIDS MY ASS...COMPASS DIRECTING MY ASS....
GROW UP....you're living in a fairy tale....
"how come it’s not a purely materialistic world?"
The material universe exists and this can be objectively evidenced, what objective evidence can you demonstrate for implying there is anything non-material? You keep claiming this but have offered no evidence at all, just rhetoric.
"What would be wrong with eating babies?"
Would you do this if you realised tomorrow that no deities are real? I wouldn't, so I guess you're just a shitty human being who needs the threat of hell or the promise of heaven before you'll not rape or murder people? As an atheist I don't need threats or promises to see that hurting people is wrong.
when He said “god why hath thou forsaken me”
He was fulfilling a prophecy!
He was quoting psalm22!
It talks about the messiah having pierced hands and feet! A bunch of other stuff as well, you should read it!!
AND it was written before Crucifixion was even around!! Explain that one!
Read what? The Bible? Why are you assuming the posters here have not read it?
So.eone writing a prophesy then claiming without evidence that it's been fulfilled in the same book is hardly compelling evidence.
1. The bible can't objectively evidence it's own claims.
2. The bible is demonstrably man made.
3. Even if some predicted something and it happened exactly as predicted, and we had no explanation as to how this had happened. It still would be just something we can't explain, to make claims about it would be a fallacious argument from ignorance.
4. Other religions make precisely the same claim. They can't all be true, they can all be false.
Are you going to address anything anyone else is posting or is this endless self righteous preaching all you've got?
It says his bones would be out of the joints, they would be casting lots over his clothing
All of this stuff is in the New Testament, it all happened during the crucifixion!
Written hundreds of years before that time!
Blows my mind
"Part two" of a fictional series being consistent with "part one"; should only blow the mind of a credulous person.
"should only blow the mind of a credulous person."
ohh..he's waaaayyyyyy too credulous...more like lunatic....
no no brad don't give out reason..and don't say sorry..cause you're not sorry for anything..we understand you...
its psychological problem we know....
No offense but you seem easily impressed by absurdly silly and unevidenced claims.
There is no objective evidence in the bible for the crucifixion. Even if there were, it wouldn't evidence any of the supernatural claims in the bible. You're holding an empty bag Brad, and you've allowed yourself to be convinced it has magic beans in it. Your beliefs are no different to any other false claims about magic, and they carry the same burden of proof which you're Not Even pretending to meet.
I just meant to reread psalm 22
I’m sorry if I came off that way
Part one was finished hundred and hundreds of years before part two came to be.
Crucifixion wasn’t even a thought when psalm 22 was written
You don’t think that’s kinda obvious?
What’s the explanation for that?
That is false. Crucifixions were already taking place in 500 BCE.
"Part one was finished hundred and hundreds of years before part two came to be."
Every time you write simething as fact it only proves the truth of the adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
The psalm you are so magically involved in Brad was originally written about something else. That the later writers of the Jesus tale would include such a well known Jewish piece is not surprising. That later writers and theologians would try and crowbar it into a "prophecy" is not unexpected as it fits the made up genealogy of the jesus figure.
Once again I suspect you have only partially read the text of the psalm: "In the most general sense, Psalm 22 is about a person who is crying out to God to save him from the taunts and torments of his enemies, and (in the last ten verses) thanking God for rescuing him." Jesus was not rescued ...so why is this psalm being cherry picked to fit your interpretation?
Jewish interpretations of Tehillim 22 identify the individual in the Psalm with a royal figure, usually King David or Queen Esther.There is no evidence of the Psalm being used in a Jewish messianic context.
Once again you confuse wishful thinking with history. Its an "F" for you Brad.
If you carry on like this it will be detention.
What is Not you think the lack of an explanation for something can tell us?
It's nothing incidentally, if we can't explain something then by definition no explanation can be offered. To make one up and point to the lack of an alternative is argumentum ad ignorantiam, a common logical fallacy. Look it up I urge you to read and understandc
what it means.
Around 400 to 300 BC by the Persians
What about people being possessed by demons.. I haven’t really looked into it but it seems to be worldly accepted phenomena.
If there’s demons why can’t we believe in God?
LOL, yeah I don't believe in demons either. Do you have anything peer reviewed about demons being real? I'm guessing you don't.
So yes Brad, crucifixion was common place, in the region, before the book of Psalms was written. Worst still: as far as I know crucifixion is not mentioned in the book of Psalms. If I'm wrong about that, please cite the chapter and verse where the word appears.
seizures...its called seizures...
"If there’s demons why can’t we believe in God?"
they exist...cause you create them your self.....
why can't you call your god to get rid of all the demons?
why can't your god get rid of demons???
"If there’s demons why can’t we believe in God?"
Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for either? Or just claim they are real and cite other anecdotal claims?
I’m not a lunatic
There are plenty of notable people that believe in Christ and what the Bible says
"There are plenty of notable people that believe in Christ and what the Bible says"
That's a fallacious appeal to authority. Can any of those notable people demonstrate any objective evidence for their belief? If not then what they're notable for is irrelevant to the belief isn't it.
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
then his not omnipotent.
is he able, but not willing?
then he is malevolent.
is he both able and willing?
then where the fuck evil came from?
is he neither able nor willing then the fuck call him god?
Aren’t there plenty of videos and accounts of it happening?
A question is not a demonstration of objective evidence. There are videos and accounts of mermaid citings, care to think that through, then see if you can spot the problem with your "thought process"?
There are accounts of people being reincarnated by the god Vishnu. I bet you are skeptical of those. Why do you suppose you are skeptical of the supernatural claims of other religions, but not your own?
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