https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_evolution#Epigenesis Epigenesis is the philosophical/theological/esoteric idea that since the mind was given to the human being, it is the original creative impulse, epigenesis, which has been the cause of all of mankind's development.
According to spiritual evolution, humans build upon that which has already been created, but add new elements because of the activity of the spirit. Humans have the capacity, therefore, to become creative intelligences—creators. For a human to fulfill this promise, his training should allow for the exercise of originality, which distinguishes creation from imitation. When epigenesis becomes inactive, in the individual or even in a race, evolution ceases and degeneration commences.
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@ arakish
Congratulations. ***tree does a flourishing bow***
You actually provided the attribution.
rmfr
P.S. - Now let me go back and read it.
Unfalsifiable so whatever.
Cool enough--as long as you take it metaphorically.
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And let's not forget the rest of it:
Well, foremost, how do we know man has a spirit? I am guessing they also mean "soul." I have yet to see any hard empirical evidence man has either or both. Summarily dismissed due to no evidence. Also called Hitchen's Razor.
Just by saying it is theological and esoteric means that none others know and are making up woo woo.
No the mind evolve as the human being evolved.
Actually mankind's development comes about from the impulses.
Spiritual Evolution. Again summarily dismissed. Hitchen's Razor.
Yes, we do build upon what has already been created through natural processes.
New elements are added due to activity of mental thought. Hmm... Wouldn't this be easier to move if we had this round thing that would roll...
Yes, we do have the capacity to become creative intelligences-creators through the process known as experimentation and failure.
"For a human to fulfill this promise, his training should allow for the exercise of originality, which distinguishes creation from imitation." Yeah, but it is actually through imitation that we are at our most creative. Hmm... If we only had those flat, flappy things those birds have... However, through our failures, we finally learned we do not need to have those flat things flap at all. With enough thrust, those flat things lift us up and moves us through the air.
Sorry, but evolution waits for no one. It continues on with or without us.
Yes, the world is a training center. It is known as the School of Life. You either learn, or you fade to nothing. We do learn more from mistakes than we do successes. Good example of this is when I write a script or a program. If I write it and it works right off the bat, then I ain't learned nothing except I must have planned the coding very well. It is when the script or program does not work properly on the first test that I learn more by having to go back in and fix the problem. It is during that process of fixing the code where I also learn other things to add to the code to make it even better. If it works correctly on the first test, then I will just leave it alone. Many times it will be others that will point out improvements I could have made. Thus, I do still learn, but not from my actually doing. Make sense.
The rest of this:
is just pure religious flim flam to oppress and subjugate. It is nothing but a means for those who gravitate to power to enforce their narcissistic need to subjugate others to their will. The same damn bullshit Christianity, Islam, and ALL religions are based on.
"We cannot have those who are more intelligent than us to refute our beliefs so we must either subjugate them or kill them." That is the ultimate basis of ALL religions. And it is sad that you cannot see that.
rmfr
There. Now others can come and poopoo what I just said.
rmfr
Let us not forget this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_evolution#Epigenesis
Arthur M. Young and Edward Haskell have each independently incorporated the findings of science into a larger theory of spiritual evolution, and extended the traditional human, animal, vegetable, and mineral categories with kingdoms representing photons, atoms and molecules.[24][25] Arthur M. Young goes further in considering the human state as a subset of a larger kingdom of "Dominion", of which the sixth stage is represented for example by Christ and Buddha, and the seventh (final) stage an even higher level of Enlightenment or God-realisation.[24] Moreover, both Haskell and Young present profound accounts of evolution through these kingdoms in terms of cybernetic principles. A more "mainstream" scientific presentation of this same idea is provided by Erich Jantsch in his account of how self-organising systems evolve and develop as a series of "symmetry breaks" through the sequence of matter, life, and mind.[26] Although abiding strictly by the understanding of science, Jantsch arranges the various elements of cosmic, planetary, biological, psychological, and human evolution in a single overall framework of emergent evolution that may or may not be considered teleological.
I just went and read the same stuff. "Beat to the Punch. I guess." Besides the basic lack of evidence for the OP claim, why would he be talking to Atheists? You want to go and talk to a Biologist.
I thought the same also. However, Nyarlathotep has given him that oh so gently heave ho out the door due to his constant plagiarism. He never truly made any argument. He was just restating someone else's for his own.
rmfr
I think this Epigenesis has a connection to Integral theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_theory_(Ken_Wilber)
Integral theory is Ken Wilber's attempt to place a wide diversity of theories and thinkers into one single framework.[1] It is portrayed as a "theory of everything" ("the living Totality of matter, body, mind, soul, and spirit"),[2][non-primary source needed] trying "to draw together an already existing number of separate paradigms into an interrelated network of approaches that are mutually enriching."[1]
Wilber's integral theory has been applied by some in a limited range of domains. The Integral Institute publishes the Journal of Integral Theory and Practice,[3] and SUNY Press has published nine books in the "SUNY series in Integral Theory."[4] Wilber's ideas have mainly attracted attention in specific subcultures, and have been widely ignored in academia.
If you mean that our minds are "given" to us by our parents when we formed in our mother's womb, sure you can say that, kind of weird way to say it, but okay whatever.
If you are saying it was given by something else other then our parents through natural birth process, then realize you join all the other tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist out there.
OK. Adding on to what said already.
I shall be the first to say that religions do have some good ideas: "Do unto others as you would have others to do unto you." And there are many others I ain't going to quote.
Although religions can have some good ideas, they also have some horrible morals. And is those horrible morals I take offense to. My ultimate moral question: Will this action cause harm to another person?
That is what I always ask my self before I do anything. Yes, I am very guilty of name calling and curse hurling. However, as with all religions, they do tend to bring out the worst in people.
One good example. I was in a discussion, not a debate, but a discussion about the morals of Christianity. We got around to me mentioning how I had lost my entire family. Eventually this supposed "high moral Christian" with a lifetime of Christianity and a PhD (and previous degrees) in Christian Studies said this:
And to this day, I cannot figure out how I kept from turning that sorry shit into a grease spot where he stood.
I just walked away.
As for this Integral Theory, its basis is still religious. Not based in scientific fact. Thus, I also summarily dismiss it.
Summation: There is no religion that I can draw any kind of belief in. My "beliefs", if you wish to call them that, are wholly based in scientific hard empirical evidence which I can test for its veracity or its inaccuracy.
Remember: If it cannot be verified or falsified, it is not evidence.
rmfr
New Age Bull Shit Generator! Try it! It's fun:
http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/
THANK YOU! chimp3.
That is hilarious.
Now where is that 1M-Agrees button?
rmfr
@ since the mind was given to the human being.
Prove it. (End of discussion,)
@According to spiritual evolution, humans build upon that which has already been created, but add new elements because of the activity of the spirit. Humans have the capacity, therefore, to become creative intelligences—creators. For a human to fulfill this promise, his training should allow for the exercise of originality, which distinguishes creation from imitation. When epigenesis becomes inactive, in the individual or even in a race, evolution ceases and degeneration commences.
According to Hitchen's razor, "Bullshit that can be asserted without proof can be rejected without proof." Once again "END OF DISCUSSION."
All you've done is plagiarise Wikipedia, but I'll play along for now. Let's start with the obvious fact that so called spiritual evolution is making claims for supernatural causation and combining them with objective scientific facts in a specious attempt to lend scientific credibility to their woo woo claims.
"The idea that an immaterial force is guiding evolution is a metaphysical viewpoint has been reviewed as pseudoscience by the scientific community, though many new age publications claim otherwise."
Christian apologists are not enamoured of this BS either, which is fairly ironic of course.
"Christian creationists reject spiritual and occult evolution as being the "neo-pagan ultimate enemy of the Biblical Christian faith".
Now let's get to it. Since species evolution through natural selection is an objective scientific fact, what objective evidence comparable to the massive body of scientifically validated empirical evidence for this fact, can you demonstrate for your addition of a supernatural cause?
Check fucking mate....
Woo woo, need not say anything else.
Has @tesfey been banned?
I have absolutely no idea why they have an obsession with "dogmatic nihilist atheists". I do not consider myself a nihilist, but perhaps an individual is not best-placed to objectively determine if they are dogmatic. However, as far as I can tell, wasting time on explanations which are not observable is a form of dogmatism, and would only be superior to nihilism in that doing so would at least gives meaning to something which has no meaning, rather than recognizing no meaning in anything.
Yes, Sapporo, tesfey’s acct is disabled.
Ah, all these people, worrying about their 'souls' and whatnot, yet freely handing them over to someone else without second thought...
Just because bullshit is eloquent, doesn't make it true. It's still bullshit and False without empirical evidence. And people have already tried explaining the supernatural with science, and vice versa. You should want to see the results, before you cling to those woo-woo claims of yours.
Would like to know the physical process in giving someone a mind. would need small tweezers for some..
@Term-dog Re: "Would like to know the physical process in giving someone a mind. would need small tweezers for some.."
Well, I would tell you to go ask the Wizard at Emerald City, but ever since the ol' coot took off in that balloon, nobody has seen hide nor hair of him. Ran into Dorothy awhile back, and she said he had no control over the damn thing. Luckily for her, there happened to be a parachute in the basket, so she used it to bail out with Toto, because the balloon just kept going higher and higher. Obviously the old man was not a licensed hot air balloon pilot. Hell, he's probably halfway to Jupiter by now.
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