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Have you found better solutions in the place of conditional violence? What do you think the Allied powers should have done with Hitler, if not attack? How do you think Saddam Hussein should have been handled when he invaded Kuwait??? Do you have non-violent solutions? Please suggest them.
> Have you found better solutions in the place of conditional violence?
Personally I've never been put in a situation where I've had to make that decision so I've never had a reason to look for one.
> What do you think the Allied powers should have done with Hitler, if not attack?
The people of Germany should never of placed that much power in the hand of one individual in the first place.
> How do you think Saddam Hussein should have been handled when he invaded Kuwait???
That would have been the responsibility of the people of Kuwait to find that solution, not me. Just as it was the responsibility of the people of Iraq to deal with Saddam HUssein. Again the people of Iraq should never have given Saddam that much power. Had that happened, he wouldn't have been able to invade Kuwait in the first place.
> Do you have non-violent solutions? Please suggest them.
I guess the easiest solution would be to not allow your leaders the power to commit the atrocities they commit in the first place.
"The people of Germany should never of placed that much power in the hand of one individual in the first place."
You seem to be living in Utopia. How easy your solutions are? If we were living in a world were we can just wish away things... then probably we can totally do away with violence. Are you saying that since the people of Germany empowered a maniac, the Allied powers should have simply left things to the fate of those people??? Do you say the war started against Hitler was wrong? Was there any other solution to the menace of Hitler but violence?
You just need to apply a modicum of common sense and you will immediately understand how unpractical and evil the philosophy of unconditional non-violence would be.
> You seem to be living in Utopia.
Nope, I live in the US.
> How easy your solutions are?
To me, yeah, life is pretty simple. Treat people the way I want to be treated and avoid conflict. Pretty simple.
> If we were living in a world were we can just wish away things... then probably we can totally do > away with violence.
Hmm, don't recall stating anything about wishing anything away. Maybe that's your imagination making things up to satisfy your notion of reality.
> Are you saying that since the people of Germany empowered a maniac, the Allied powers should have > simply left things to the fate of those people???
No I simply said they shouldn't have given that much power to an individual. I said nothing about what the Allied powers should have done. I simply said they shouldn't of had to in the first place.
> Do you say the war started against Hitler was wrong?
No, didn't say that either.
> Was there any other solution to the menace of Hitler but violence?
Already answered that.
> You just need to apply a modicum of common sense and you will immediately understand how unpractical > and evil the philosophy of unconditional non-violence would be.
I guess for someone who endorses violence as the go to solution, this would be easy for you to justify. Personally, I've never been in a situation where violence was the answer. Instead, I take the time and effort to find non-violent solutions. To me, that's common sense. I don't fight fire with fire, I use water.
You don't seem to have any clue as to how to face real problems in the real world such as Hitler.... If not violence, then how else could a monster like Hitler be removed from power? Thankfully world leaders who decided to act (violently) against Hitler were not like you...otherwise, they would have sat idle in the name of non-violence blaming the people of germany for electing Hitler, while the monster would have had a field day, killing innocents.
The more i talk to atheists the more I am convinced that you guys are totally muddled in your ideas!!!!
> You don't seem to have any clue as to how to face real problems in the real world > such as Hitler.
LOL, funny how quickly you like to jump to conclusions based on your own limited view of reality. You infer that I say things I didn't say and immediately judge me based on your own preconceived notions. Must be nice to know everything about everyone.
> If not violence, then how else could a monster like Hitler be removed from power?
Again I already answered that.
> Thankfully world leaders who decided to act (violently) against Hitler were not
> like you...otherwise, they would have sat idle in the name of non-violence blaming
> the people of germany for electing Hitler, while the monster would have had a
> field day, killing innocents.
Actually, if they and the people of Germany were like me, Hitler would have never been in power and if he was, he wouldn't have had the power to commit such attrocities in the first place. That means no one would have died. Sounds like the best solution to me.
> The more i talk to atheists the more I am convinced that you guys are totally
> muddled in your ideas!!!!
Again, you infer that I'm an atheists. Who told you that? Certainly wasn't me. You seem to like to put words in people's mouth, rewrite their posts and infer allot of things you know nothing about.
The fact of the matter is, Hitler was nothing more than an individual, a human with a twisted philosophy. As a human, it would have only taken one individual, two at most, to slap some cuffs on the guy and remove him, peacefully, from power. In order for him to commit all those attrocities, allot of other individual humans had to also agree with his twisted philosophy and blindly follow his orders.
You call him a monster, yet he is no different that your profit, the Christian God or anyone else in history with twisted philosophies. They all kill anyone who threatens their philosophy, regardless of whether or not they commit violent acts.
The brilliance in man creating a God is you can't slap cuffs on him because he doen't exist. You can however, have allot of individual humans carry out his attrocities and promote his twisted philisophy in God's name. Isn't that convienent.
Hmm, maybe we should just abolish philosophies. That sounds like and even better solution. LOL
Valiya, if we learn nothing from history, it is that violence will create more violence. You keep bringing up Hitler as a reason violence must be applied. But do you know how Hitler rose to power?
WW2 was pretty much a continuation of WW1, which in turn was a continuation of wars, with roots in other wars, stemming from colonial, land, and economic disputes. But we'll focus on Hitler's rise to power for the time being.
The first World War left both the allies, and the defeated German nation and it's axis in financial freefall. The Allies, imposed stipulations for economic compensation in the Treat of Varsailles. In simple words, the German people had to pay the Allies war costs, in conjunction with their own costs and repairs. Hitler rose to power by promising to stop tribute payments. His rise to power, his popular support, was rooted in the Allies greed and failings. You should read or listen to his writings to understand how he won support. Translations of his book Mein Kompf (My Struggle) and his public speeches are available. Don't worry too much about the quality though, you see the Germans were never that enamored with poetry as the Arabs were, which leaves the message pretty straight forward and easy to interpret. However, moving on... the persecution of the Jewish was a personal endeavor of a few hundred high ranks in the Nazi party. the Allies weren't really aware of it until 1941-42, and the German civilians didn't know about the mass murders for over a year after occupation.
End analysis, Hitler also stopped political rivals from writing songs and speech regarding his Nazi party and political agenda. Ironically, much like Muhammed did to Ka'b. Why? Because Hitler and Muhammed both most likely knew criticism and free speech would undermine popular support (or state security).
I believe, that Ghandi and Martin Luther King taught us that violence must be met with peace, that the merits of truth will topple any tyrant or injustice by winning the hearts and minds of people. That wherever most people gather is the most strength. That we must stand together in peace, or kill each other in war.
If you ask me if we should murder criminals. No, prison. Either they will change, they have a truth and we may change, or no one changes and they keep going to jail. But ultimately there is no need for violence. It is like R. Buckminster Fuller once said "Either war or men are obsolete. Only Time will tell".
Well said Travis.
Hitler built a fascist empire just like the Church and Islam where you either with them or die.
If there's one thing I'd love to say right now is I'm writing a story that I hope to animate in the future since i'll be studying animation and media arts. The story involves Satanic Cults, Nudity, Blasphemy against Islam and Christianity, monsters and evil spirits including demons, the hilarious joke line that the most powerful villain in the story is half Palestinian and half Israeli and was raised under the Roman Catholic Church (XD), three characters are reincarnations of 3 holy people warriors, and just to add one more to that even though there's still more, I also involve the acts of human sacrifice because ya know that's how I can add intensity to the story is if I make it so violent that it's no only rated R but also because I don't give a damn on what teen or adult watch it or not.
Also one more thing I'd love to say is Valiya if I ever find you in an ally you better run for your life because I don't give a damn if I get jailed or not but I'm a woman and sure a hell I'm a strong as any man and then some plus I've studied up on historical and modern warfare and combat. I hate absolutely HATE little pricks like you who try to seem all high and mighty thinking you can justify a religion that was built over death and violence. People like you make my blood boil. Yeah I'm an atheist but I speak my mind as an individual not for the atheist community so don't even think that what I'm saying is a representation of the atheist community because it's not. If I could right now I'd cover your house in pigs blood and leave its head on your front door as a present. People like you make me think the worst and most gruesome thoughts of how to make them shut the hell up without actually shutting you up. Yeah I know I sound like a psycho well it's just after I've seen all those videos and books like Shabanu and Princess: The true story of life behind the veil in Saudi Arabia (Trilogy) it truly opened my eyes to the atrocities of the Islam and what it has done. FYI the Princess trilogy was from the times of the mid 1900's to the Gulf War so all the crimes in it are not only true but more recent. I suggest you read them you BUTA (Japanese for Pig or boar)
Remember I'm saying these things as an individual I do not represent the atheist community but myself and only myself so don't even think about using this against another atheist.
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