Why don’t Atheists believe in God?

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Why don’t Atheists believe in God?

What grounds you to Earth, what keeps you breathing, what keeps you guessing?

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toto974's picture
Most times, there are two

Most times, there are two reasons:

1) No evidence (empirical).

2) The abrahamic god, defined as all-powerful, omniscient, being everywhere and all good is a contradictory concept.

AJ777's picture
1). Abundant evidence exists,

1). Abundant evidence exists, you may interpret the evidence in a way that pre supposes God cannot be an explanation.
2). In what way is it contradictory?

toto974's picture
@AJ777

@AJ777

1) Please list what this evidence are. I "may" noithing at all. For what it is worth, the Koran is an evidence for Allah, Hindu texts for Shiva, the Illyad for cyclopes and witches.

2) The problem of Evil for example negates all the "omni" definitions and an all-loving character.

AJ777's picture
1). There are many arguments

1). There are many arguments for a creator. Cosmological argument, ontological argument, moral argument. The fact that anything at all exists, the fine tuning of the universe, etc...
2). The problem of evil is an argument for Gods existence.

toto974's picture
1) So let's talk about your

1) So let's talk about your first answer, the cosmological argument.

2) Sure it would be an argument for the fact that your god is a absolut bastard. But you may wish to explain your point on view on this point.

LogicFTW's picture
@AJ777

@AJ777
Really? Are you going to pretend you never heard of the basic omni god logic flaw?

Your very own religions and books talk all the time about how god is all powerful, all knowing, all good.

It is real basic, according to you guys:
-God is all powerful
-God is all knowing
-God is all good

If those three must be true, then explain how their can be evil, loss, pain and suffering in this world? One of the above MUST not be true. And if one (or more) or not true, why would you worship such a god? Fear?

There are many arguments for a creator. Cosmological argument, ontological argument, moral argument. The fact that anything at all exists, the fine tuning of the universe, etc...

Just because lots of arguments exist for a creator does not mean it proves a creator. First major problem: all those arguments even if they were 100% actually correct (no way to verify this!) they would not prove YOUR god. Anymore then it would prove that LogicFTW is god. So even if you were somehow to unequivocally win all those silly many times over beaten arguments, you still gotten nowhere with proving YOUR god idea.
 
 

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toto974's picture
@AJ77

@AJ77

"In a mischievious voice... Where are you AJ77...It is a debate...Simply asserting something...chuckles and wide grin...PROVE NOTHING."

Can you tell us your understanding of this argument without being a parrot?

For the problem of evil, shall we begin with Genesis, the Fall and subsequent original "sin"?

Sheldon's picture
A blatant lie, if abundant

A blatant lie, if abundant evidence exists why when asked to demonstrate the best you had, could you only manage the debunked Kalam cosmological first cause argument?

It's hilarious that you whine that arakish is wrongly accusing you of lying, when you can lie as blatantly as this.

Present 3 pieces of OBJECTIVE evidence for your deity...

Tell us why you claimed to think it is immoral to torture children, and yet your deity does this repeatedly in your bible? Your evasion and duplicity are shocking, AJ777.

While you're at it you and your new sidekick should look up the word integrity in the dictionary.

gupsphoo's picture
I also find it amusing that

I also find it amusing that theists don't seem to be able to differentiate between arguments and evidence.

Sheldon's picture
Oh tell me about it, you ask

Oh tell me about it, you ask for objective evidence and AJ777 parrots WLC and the Kalam cosmological argument.

rickgreenley2's picture
What empirical evidence do

What empirical evidence do you have proving Abiogenesis and Evolution are true?

Below, you assert evil in the world made those adjectives contradictory. Are you suggesting if God made us robots instead of giving us free will to choose between good and evil, that would make them non-contradictory?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Because I am not a simpleton?

Because I am not a simpleton?

Foe4500's picture
Pssst just letting you know

Pssst just letting you know your senses didn’t just appear through evolution like your horsemen brethren like to perpetrate..and there’s a specific reason why there’s 5 (primary) of them..

Nyarlathotep's picture
Foe45 - ...there’s a specific

Foe45 - ...there’s a specific reason why there’s 5 (primary) of them...

Which is?

LogicFTW's picture
Lol!

Lol!

Gotta love it when these guys basically "clothesline" themselves and end up flat on their back wondering what the hell happened.

toto974's picture
Are you going to have a

Are you going to have a dismissive, arrogant behavior? Because if it's so, you coulg go back to where you came from.

NewSkeptic's picture
So then, I'm assuming a

So then, I'm assuming a magical sky fairy gave me my five senses after studying (or inventing) numerology. Do please pass on your great wisdom.

arakish's picture
@ Foe45

@ Foe45

You got it wrong. There are 14 primary senses of perception.

The Fourteen Senses

Visual – Visual perception is the ability to interpret the surrounding environment using light in the visible spectrum reflected by the objects in the environment. The resulting perception is also known as visual perception, eyesight, sight, or vision (adjectival form: visual, optical, or ocular). The various physiological components involved in vision are referred to collectively as the visual system, and are the focus of much research in linguistics, psychology, cognitive science, neuroscience, and molecular biology, collectively referred to as vision science.

Auditory – Hearing, or auditory perception, is the ability to perceive sounds by detecting vibrations, changes in the pressure of the surrounding medium through time, through an organ such as the ear. The academic field concerned with hearing is auditory science.

Taste – Taste, gustatory perception, or gustation is one of the five traditional senses that belongs to the gustatory system. Taste is the sensation produced when a substance in the mouth reacts chemically with taste receptor cells located on taste buds in the oral cavity, mostly on the tongue. Taste, along with smell (olfaction) and trigeminal nerve stimulation (registering texture, pain, and temperature), determines flavors of food or other substances. Humans have taste receptors on taste buds (gustatory calyculi) and other areas including the upper surface of the tongue and the epiglottis. The gustatory cortex is responsible for the perception of taste.

Olfactory – Olfaction is a chemoreception that forms the sense of smell. Olfaction has many purposes, such as the detection of hazards, pheromones, and food. It integrates with other senses to form the sense of flavor. Olfaction occurs when odorants bind to specific sites on olfactory receptors located in the nasal cavity. Glomeruli aggregate signals from these receptors and transmit them to the olfactory bulb, where the sensory input will start to interact with parts of the brain responsible for smell identification, memory, and emotion. Often, land organisms will have separate olfaction systems for smell and taste (orthonasal smell and retronasal smell), but water-dwelling organisms usually have only one system.

Tactility – The somatosensory system is a part of the sensory nervous system. The somatosensory system is a complex system of sensory neurons and pathways that responds to changes at the surface or inside the body. The axons (as afferent nerve fibers), of sensory neurons connect with, or respond to, various receptor cells. These sensory receptor cells are activated by different stimuli such as heat and nociception, giving a functional name to the responding sensory neuron, such as a thermoreceptor which carries information about temperature changes. Other types include mechanoreceptors, chemoreceptors, and nociceptors and they send signals along a sensory nerve to the spinal cord where they may be processed by other sensory neurons and then relayed to the brain for further processing. Sensory receptors are found all over the body including the skin, epithelial tissues, muscles, bones and joints, internal organs, and the cardiovascular system. Somatic senses are sometimes referred to as somesthetic senses, with the understanding that somesthesis includes the sense of touch, proprioception (sense of position and movement), and (depending on usage) haptic perception. The mapping of the body surfaces in the brain is called somatotopy. In the cortex, it is also referred to as the cortical homunculus. This brain-surface ("cortical") map is not immutable, however. Dramatic shifts can occur in response to stroke or injury.

Balance – The sense of balance, or equilibrioception, is one of the physiological senses related to balance. It helps prevent humans and animals from falling over when standing or moving. Balance is the result of a number of body systems working together: the eyes (visual system), ears (vestibular system) and the body's sense of where it is in space (proprioception) ideally need to be intact. The vestibular system, the region of the inner ear where three semicircular canals converge, works with the visual system to keep objects in focus when the head is moving. This is called the vestibulo-ocular reflex (VOR). The balance system works with the visual and skeletal systems (the muscles and joints and their sensors) to maintain orientation or balance. Visual signals sent to the brain about the body's position in relation to its surroundings are processed by the brain and compared to information from the vestibular, visual and skeletal systems.

Temperature – Thermoception or thermoreception is the sense by which an organism perceives temperature, or more accurately, temperature differences inferred from heat flux. The details of how temperature receptors work are still being investigated. Ciliopathy is associated with decreased ability to sense heat, thus cilia may aid in the process. Transient receptor potential channels (TRP channels) are believed to play a role in many species in sensation of hot, cold, and pain. Mammals have at least two types of sensor: those that detect heat (i.e., temperatures above body temperature) and those that detect cold (i.e. temperatures below body temperature).

Kinesthetic (movement) – The brain integrates information from proprioception and from the vestibular system into its overall sense of body position, movement, and acceleration. The word kinesthesia or kinæsthesia (kinesthetic sense) strictly means movement sense, but has been used inconsistently to refer either to proprioception alone or to the brain's integration of proprioceptive and vestibular inputs.

Pain – Nociception (also nocioception or nociperception, from Latin nocere 'to harm or hurt') is the sensory nervous system's response to certain harmful or potentially harmful stimuli. In nociception, intense chemical (e.g., chili powder in the eyes), mechanical (e.g., cutting, crushing), or thermal (heat and cold) stimulation of sensory nerve cells called nociceptors produces a signal that travels along a chain of nerve fibers via the spinal cord to the brain. Nociception triggers a variety of physiological and behavioral responses and usually results in a subjective experience of pain in sentient beings.

Time – Time perception is a field of study within psychology, cognitive linguistics and neuroscience that refers to the subjective experience, or sense, of time, which is measured by someone's own perception of the duration of the indefinite and unfolding of events. The perceived time interval between two successive events is referred to as perceived duration. Though directly experiencing or understanding another person's perception of time is not possible, such a perception can be objectively studied and inferred through a number of scientific experiments. Time perception is a construction of the sapient brain, but one that is manipulable and distortable under certain circumstances. These temporal illusions help to expose the underlying neural mechanisms of time perception. In other words time can be perceived or understood as Subjective Time & Objective Time.

Direction – Sense of direction is the ability to know one's location and perform wayfinding. It is related to cognitive maps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_map), spatial awareness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_awareness), and spatial cognition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_cognition). Sense of direction can be impaired by brain damage, such as in the case of topographical disorientation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographical_disorientation).

Haptic (spatial location) – The sensibility of the individual to the world adjacent to the body by use of the body. Gibson and others further emphasized what Weber had realized in 1851: the close link between haptic perception and body movement, and that haptic perception is active exploration.

Proprioception (position) – Proprioception, from Latin proprius, meaning "one's own," "individual," and capio, capere, to take or grasp, is the sense of the relative position of one's own parts of the body and strength of effort being employed in movement.

Mechanoreception (vibration) – Vibratory sensation, or mechanoreception, is the sense whereby mechanical oscillations are detectable through skin and bone, is usually generated by mechanoreceptors such as Pacinian corpuscles, Merkel disk receptors, and tactile corpuscles. All three of these receptors stimulate an action potential in afferent nerves (sensory neurons) found in various layers of the skin and body. The afferent neuron travels to the spinal column and then up to the brain where the information is processed.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
Your English is truly

Your English is truly appalling, but if by horseman you're referring to prominent atheists, then you're talking ignorant nonsense.

Evolution is an accepted scientific fact explained and evidenced by a valid scientific theory. Atheism has nothing to do with that process, though it is a secular method.

If evolution were entirely falsified tomorrow there would still be no OBJECTIVE evidence for any deity or anything supernatural, and I would accept evolution as falsified, and remain an atheist.

"there’s a specific reason why there’s 5 (primary) of them.."

Enthral us all with your acumen...

David Killens's picture
If you close your eyes and

If you close your eyes and lift a finger to your nose, you know exactly where it is, without seeing it. Proprioception is our ability to innately tell where our appendages, muscles, and other body parts are in space.

Oops, sorry, that's six. Depejnding on the definition, there are 14 to 20 senses. Not five.

Foe4500's picture
Look at you trying to

Look at you trying to strawman your way out of questioning your own irrationality.

As to the person inquiring the reason of the number of the senses I suggest you look into the “morphogenetic field”.

Remember, just like in the sport of basketball there are 10 active players on the court. Five on each team. Five represents base, defense “e.g pentagon, BASEball with its pentagonal plates and many other examples. Law of Fives would also be an excellent topic to research.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Sounds like new age shit.

Sounds like new age shit.

LostLocke's picture
If you're going to get into

If you're going to get into numbers, I can tell you with absolute certainty 5 isn't one of them.
The only numbers that are important are 4 8 15 16 23 and 42. There's actual video evidence of the importance of those numbers, and what bad things happen when you don't adhere to them.

LogicFTW's picture
What about the law of 9's?

What about the law of 9's? Why not look into that?

Does the amazing properties of 9 supercede the property of 5?

I do hope you are trolling and don't actually believe the stuff you are spouting.

 
 

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arakish's picture
LogicFTW: "What about the law

LogicFTW: "What about the law of 9's? Why not look into that?"

I remember that one. It was the law that stated you are to contact people by telephone between the hours of 0900 to 2100 ONLY. Otherwise, unless an emergency, you did not call between the hours of 2100 to 0900.

rmfr

arakish's picture
@ Foe45

@ Foe45

Baseball has only ONE pentagonal plate. Home Plate. The other three are rectangles.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
How exactly does the fact

How exactly does the fact humans copy natural constructs negate the possibility they evolved?

For the sake of argument assume this "law of fives" represents the most advantageous number of senses, wouldn't that alone perfectly explain why billions of years of natural selection preserved that number of senses?

Dear oh dear...Why do people who haven't even the most basic grasp of evolution hold forth against it with asinine facile claims.

David Killens's picture
Why are there not five major

Why are there not five major heavenly bodies?

Baseball requires nine players on each side (just two) and it has four bases, three strikes, and four balls.

arakish's picture
Gads what monster! 18 legs,

Gads what monster! 18 legs, four backbones, three bashing things, and FOUR balls. Damn. Of course I'd love to have four balls, then I'd be a billionaire porn star.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
I've got two balls, should I

I've got two balls, should I worry?

I've heard of the rule of thirds, but that's photography. This guy is a nut job, and a troll, it's like fruit flies in the summer, a vague distraction but you don't feel bad when you squash them.

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