Why is God NOT real?

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ChildofGod's picture
not trying to be rude or

not trying to be rude or anything but spelling His name like that is very disrespectful in every way, it shows that you dont care, and that you are mocking Him. so im asking you very nicely if you could please stop spelling His name like that. and to what you said, im not spitting in Gods eye, my free will is putting my faith in Him, thats my free will

Zaphod's picture
Oh Gawd!, here like in many

Oh Gawd!, here like in many other areas you demonstrate that you are not only ignorant when it come to science but also to your own religion. No offence meant though you will probably be offended because its easy to offend certain types of people but you comments are the most ignorant I have seen on this site yet. I think you are a troll one that's been here before and trying to hide behind a new female identity. Everyone knows God is not God's name no matter what religion you belong to and nobody is as stupid as you pretend to be.

CyberLN's picture
I'm with you on this, Z. I

I'm with you on this, Z. I suspect CoG is a troll as well. S/he denied it what I asked a few days ago but CoG's pants are likely afire.

Zaphod's picture
LoL, I was just thinking of

LoL, I was just thinking of that saying the other day and how I had not heard it in a long long time... I was wondering where it came from. It may not have been a Blake poem as I was once led to believe, but for nostalgic reasons, its funny none-the-less... I always got or understood and was partial to the nose being as long as a telephone wire rendition due to being a fan of Pinocchio but I never understood the first bit. Do you know where its origins are really from Cyber, the whole jingle or at least what having your trousers alight have to do with lying? I always wondered if it meant the liar was running from your lies or to be burned at the stake . Anyways, thanks for bringing it up.

CyberLN's picture
Surprisingly, its origin is

Surprisingly, its origin is the bible...one of the psalms...can't remember which one off hand.

ChildofGod's picture
and if you believe that i am

and if you believe that i am a troll, then believe it, but if thinking that i am someone else because i and whoever that other person was, whatever his/her name was share the same religious faith well then your wrong because i dont tell people to go to hell or even commit suicide

ChildofGod's picture
no i just find it really

no i just find it really disrespectful, you may not care but i do when it comes time to this. its not being ignorant its simply respectful and caring of my religion and my Father Jesus Christ. His name is, God, Jesus Christ, Messiah etc. If you believe in the same God then He would have many names to Him. Like The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit

CyberLN's picture
1. I am not mocking gawd.

1. I am not mocking gawd. There aren't any gawds. I am mocking the entire idea of gawds.
2. You are free to ask me to stop doing something. My answer to your request, however, is no.

Snake's picture
I don't believe in God

I don't believe in God because throughout my life in church I've seen so many people be downright nasty and putrid to one another despite being perfect followers of God, and repeating those actions. Ive also always had problems with authority, internally , and so I never liked the idea of someone controlling or watching everything I did with love for me, love from strangers floating around is unfortunately something I really can't handle. I see love and friendship as a type of energy you have to reciprocate constantly, and consentually. I just do not comform to consenting to Gods love anymore, I use that energy elsewhere to better my life and lives of others. Although I still like prayers cause I find them pretty like Shakespeare.

SonOh1's picture
There is no purpose in

There is no purpose in believing in a god.
If I proclaim that god does not exist, or insult him, I have not been smitten. If I have not been smitten by god, he does not exist or does not care (End 1). If god does not care about my belief in him, he will not send me to hell just because I do not believe in him (End 2).
Therefore, believing in god does not affect my life or my death.

And, if you think believing in god makes you a better person, that is something you have to learn because there are examples of people everywhere who are good without god.

ChildofGod's picture
true but if you believe that

true but if you believe that there is no God but you believe that there is a Devil, then where do you think you will end up? And God does care even if you dont believ in Him, you as a person are growing away from Him, pushing yourself to the belief that He does not exist or care.

ImFree's picture
What if Hitler had made a

What if Hitler had made a "deathbed confession"? Would he be forgiven?

ImFree's picture
Your non-existent god

Your non-existent god approves of:
Human Sacrifice

No thank you, glad he doesn’t exist. Charles Manson has a better moral code than your imaginary friend.

ChildofGod's picture
He doesn't approve of those

He doesn't approve of those things, thats why they are called SINS. And if Hitler made a "deathbed confession" asking the Lord to forgive him of his sins, that he had done wrong, then yes the Lord will forgive him no matter what his sins were. If we ask the Lord, like it says in Acts 10:43 "He is the one all prophets testified about, saying that everyone who believes in him will have their sins forgiven through his name"

ImFree's picture
If a child in India is killed

If a child in India is killed, not affiliated with Christianity in anyway, it is condemned to eternal torture?

ImFree's picture
Yes he does...you don't read

Yes he does...you don't read your Bible.

Not only does he approve of murder he participates:

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

He approves of slavery and instructs how do it:

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

God’s Rules of Approved Rape

More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

Human Sacrifice:

Jephthah Burns His Daughter

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)

ChildofGod's picture
The verses you just listed

The verses you just listed are in the OLD TESTAMENT not the NEW TESTAMENT... There is a huge difference between the two

ex-christian_atheist's picture
Child of God, do you believe

Child of God, do you believe that your God is unchanging? If you do, you must admit that if God never changes his mind, it is impossible to alter his morality. If God considers those things in the Old Testament immoral, he must have always considered them immoral, in which case I wonder why his people were not only allowed, but commanded to do such things. If they were considered moral in the time the Old Testament was written, then God also would consider them moral now, and forever. That is the nature of unchanging. In which case, I do not consider your God moral.

ChildofGod's picture
I never said He was

I never said He was unchanging, as seen in the Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament have changed tremendously. But He does however keep His promises, that will never change

ex-christian_atheist's picture
The bible says that God is

The bible says that God is unchanging. It says he is the same today, yesterday ad tomorrow. That is why he is called "I AM", because he always is as he is.

Malachi 3:6 ESV
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."
Hebrews 13:8 ESV
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."
Numbers 23:19 ESV
"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?"
Ecclesiastes 3:14
"I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear Him."

You are demonstrating a poor knowledge of the most basic christian doctrines. Do you maybe want to rethink your statement that God does not change?

Nyarlathotep's picture
say goodbye to objective

say goodbye to objective morality then

ImFree's picture
Doesn’t matter, as long as

Doesn’t matter, as long as they repent…hey…time to sin again. Just like we discussed with Hitler.

Just for fun here is some New Testament perversion on slavery you can rationalize like you did with the Hitler example. One would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following perversion, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Travis Paskiewicz's picture
ChildofGod, you have to

ChildofGod, you have to understand the idea of respect, is to hold a person or idea in merit or high regard. Respect is a personal choice. No one has to show respect to things. For example, If I told you before mentioning Hitler, you must use his title, "High Fuher of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler" out of respect, you would shit yourself. Because no one holds him in high regard, except maybe kkk members and neo-nazis. So I'm not asking you to respect our decision to refer to your diety as what we want. You don't have to accept it, merely tolerate it.

Moving on, I'm happy to see you believe that science is merely a means of atheists secretly trying to make christians question the existence of your diety. You know, as opposed to science being an ongoing human endeavor of observing the world to understand how and why it works. However, I have to agree with what others said, you have almost no knowledge of any science theory. You're blatantly ignorant. Furthermore, to say science is a lie, is completly childish. Science explains mucheck of our world, and the same sciencific principles that correctly theorized nuclear fusion/fision in the bombs we used in ww2 and after, are the same sciences that theorized Carbon-14 dating which gave evidence that evolution occured. Science isn't a lie, either it explains reality and becomes scientific principles, theories, and laws; or it fails to describe reality and is discarded.

However, on to why Atheists don't believe in god. More specifically, your god. One, the bible offers no scientific understanding or evidence for many of the unbelievable feats you call "miracles". Therefore, the rational person must concede that because they, the miracles, can't be replicated and have no evidence, they most likely did not occure.

Two, the few time tables to historicle events the time table does offer, differ greatly from what we now know to be accurate. Research the historical accuracy of your bible on your own, but the greatest example comes from the book of Joshua, in which the Irealites supposedly carried out genocide against Cannanites that occupied Isreal before the Hebrew invasion. In the book, Joshua actually refers to iron wepons and tools and specifies the destruction was carried out swiftly within a brief time frame. However, pesky science proved all this to be quite false, as the Cannanites dissappeared before the bronze age callapse. Further more, the evidence of cities being retaken, occupied, or abandon by the Cannanites, stretched a span of almost 250 years. Which leads to the generally excepted belief that the Book of Joshua was not written by him, was written in a different time tham the one being claimed, and is not historically accurate. So a rational person would have to concede that some if not all of the bible is simply a collection of oral legends. Some may loosely be based on reality, but should only accepted with scientific evidence proving it so.

Three. The bible explains nothing regarding the formation of the universe. While the bible may attempt to explain the cause of the big bang as god. However, this is a completely unscientific assertion. One, because it comes from a book of historically inaccurate oral traditions. Two, because it offers no evidence for the the assertion.

ChildofGod's picture
But it does, you just look in

But it does, you just look in the wrong places of the Bible

CyberLN's picture
CoG, I've asked this before

CoG, I've asked this before but you didn't answer...are you home-schooled?

ChildofGod's picture
and like i said before, no im

and like i said before, no im in 11th grade at a community high school

CyberLN's picture
By community high school, do

By community high school, do you mean public or private school? If private, what organization runs it? If public, what country and what part of that country?

ChildofGod's picture
Public- Mesa, Arizona

Public- Mesa, Arizona
We are top 3 in the country for education

Lmale's picture
Then explain how you are so

Then explain how you are so ignorant in basic science did your parents excuse you from science? Im reasonably sure they did not therefore your not ignorant your lying.
Read a book any book even the bible because you demonstrate an embarrising ignorance of your own book (or lying) several atheists here have demonstrated greater knowledge of your book than you.

ChildofGod's picture
I am not ignorant in science,

I am not ignorant in science, and they did not excuse me from it, in school i learned the same thing over and over about how the world came to be, but to me they never made sense. Like how did humans manage to be where we are now, if evolution occurred dont you think we would still see it to this day. And lying well the Bible doesnt lie so why would i. See if you know the truth you are incapable of ignorance and the truth is in the Bible... it is the Bible


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