God does NOT answer prayer!

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xenoview's picture
Only faith fools continue to

Only faith fools continue to prayer to their gods, instead of taking action to pass laws to prevent it from happening again.

Pirate Jack's picture
I would rather be kicked in

I would rather be kicked in the nuts than to be told ‘I will pray for you”. Fuck you and your prayer!

David Killens's picture
I almost had a crisis in

I almost had a crisis in ethics yesterday. I live right next to a Seventh Day Adventist church, and they infest my neighborhood like cockroaches. I was walking my dog, and this old frail lady asked me where she could buy a lighter. I had a spare one in my pocket, and just handed it to her, telling her to keep it.

Then I realized she may come back with some jesus crap, that the lord put love in my heart yadda yadda yadda. If she was going to insult me like that, I was going to take the lighter back, even though that would be a cruel act.

I did the right thing, no jesus or god did it, it was me.

LogicFTW's picture
What does a frail old lady

What does a frail old lady (that likely was a 7day) want a lighter for? Does she smoke cigs? (why doesn't she have her own?) Was she looking to try to smoke some pot or start up a smoking habit?

Does she think her god will protect her from a deadly habit? (At her age?) Especially if it's cigarettes and she needs her nicotine fix?

David Killens's picture
I did not ask her. But up

I did not ask her. But up here in Canada, pot is 100% legal, notwithstanding the caution in exposing any minor to this drug.

The odds were extremely high she was 7th day, there are lots of them and it is a constant flow of people in and out.

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What an odd thing to say.

What an odd thing to say.

Whilst never having actually having been kicked in the nuts, I have suffered nut trauma a few times. Last one was at about age 16, playing football. Caught a football, kicked at force ,right between the legs.

I will go to great lengths to avoid a repeat of such agony, which is the worst physical pain I haver ever endured.

It's been a few decades since anyone threatened to pray for me. Probably because I was a cunt to them.

These days if someone says '"God bless you", I say "thank you" and immediately think of something which matters, such as my next cup of coffee.

Part of my reason is I try not offend others without a good reason. Imo, only a fool makes unnecessary enemies.

Cognostic's picture
@Pirate Jack: AGREED! The

@Pirate Jack: AGREED! The 5 most useless words in the human language. "I'll pray for you." When people mention prayer, I always imagine simply standing in front of a wall and talking to it. WAIT A MINUTE!! Isn't that what the Jews do? As useless as fur on a frog.

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
What I am trying to

What I am trying to understand here is why do Christians even join this group. This is an atheist group right? To those stupid God believing idiots, there's nothing after death, death is nothing. You'll never miss consciousness when it goes the last time, as it'll be like forever dreamless sleep.

I do not understand any religion for that fact, as they all are no older than about 7000 years.
This planet is 4.5 billion years old. Humans only date back millions of years.
We've accomplished a lot, but we could accomplish more if we would set aside religion.

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LogicFTW's picture
In the atheist hub there

In the atheist hub there should not be any theist. They should only be in the other forums, like the debate forums.

Fully agree with your post btw Fievel Mousekewitz

And I watched the Fievel goes to america more times then I would care to admit when I was a kid.

cranky47's picture
I don't mind some theists.

I don't mind some theists.

Some make passable chew toys, others, a bit of comic relief,.All the better because so few of them have a sense of humour. .

Generally speaking, atheists treat theists with far more acceptance and compassion than theists treat us on their forums. I'vet tried a few, have been banned from each one.,Usually for some egregious offence such as questioning dogma or suggesting they might like to have a go at critical thinking .

No as bad as at least one Muslim dominated site; I once joined an egyptology site ,based in Cairo.Fair dinkum, those bastards are nuts. All I did was to question the claim the Quran is a reliable source of historical information. I mean, pickle me grandmother. What kind of loon makes death threats on an internet forum,?.

Thought for today "Most people would rather die than think .Most people do" Bertrand Russell.

Cognostic's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitz: Now,

@Fievel Mousekewitz: Now, now, don't get your panties in a wad. Welcome to the forum. I want to encourage you to rant on the theists but to do so rationally.

RE: "there's nothing after death" " You'll never miss consciousness when it goes the last time, as it'll be like forever dreamless sleep."

How could you possibly know this? We hold theists responsible for making inane claims about life after death, rebirth, Heaven or Hell etc....We hold them accountable for making assertions about which they can not possibly know anything. Why would you feel exempt from this same accountability. You have made a claim and now bear the burden of proof. Please explain how you know there is nothing after death. Can you prove it?

RE: "Stupid God believing idiots." All of them? Or just the ones doing idiotic things? Not sure how you would justify this. I know quite a few theists with advanced university degrees. Defining stupid, the dictionary asserts: "having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense." The university degree took care of the "intelligence" portion. As for common sense. Isn't it more common to think like a theist than to not. If it's common - well - most people in the world are theists. Common sense tells us that we should be theists too. Isn't being an atheist an "Uncommon" position?

RE: "but we could accomplish more if we would set aside religion." Organized and written religions are about 10,000 years old, It is believed that human ancestors have always engaged in religious rituals, care for the sick and elderly. Cro-Magnon people buried their dead like the Neanderthals, and probably had a religion: their art may have had magical or religious meaning s. Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals were closely related. Cro-Magnons seem to have evolved in Africa about 120 000 years ago and spread to western Asia by 90 000 – 100 000 years ago. https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/timeline/croMagnon.html

RELIGION was a survival tool, just like every other survival trait. One of the biggest factors, from articles I have read, in the extinction of Neanderthals, was their inability to bond and work together. The reason for human survival, more than anything else, was our ability to bond; to form clans, tribes and eventually towns and cities. Religion was crucial to the survival of the human species. It was a significant part of the bond that held groups of people together. Granted, it cause wars as well., When a tribe with its' gods met up with another tribe who worshiped different gods or had a different point of view, war could ensue. From the war, beliefs would change and religion like everything else human, evolved. The more complex we became, the more complex our religions became. Religion has always been a bonding force for the human species. It continues to be a bonding force today. It can not be denied that religions pull people together and give them a sense of tribal belonging. The question for me is this. Have we outgrown the need for religion? Will we ever do away with religion? If we do, what will be the bonding force for the human species? Secular humanism seems to be off to a good start. Have you looked around? We have atheist Churches. People who treat Atheism like a religion. I watched a video where one congregation was shouting "Praise Darwin." A completely idiotic thing to say as evolution has nothing at all to do with Atheism. (DID I JUST SAY THAT???? ARE THEIR IDIOTIC ATHEISTS??? OH MY.... THERE CERTAINLY ARE.) Some atheists are exactly like Christians who believe idiotic assertions without facts or evidence. Lucky for those of us participating on this site.... there aren't many of those kinds of atheists that stick around.

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@Fievel Mousekewitz

@Fievel Mousekewitz

"To those stupid God believing idiots"

I disagree. Yes, they may be incorrect, but one of those persons in that group was my mother, who earned her Registered Nurse degree all by herself in 1945. She was definitely NOT stupid.

Insulting people on the other side of a position does not earn any points in my book, it just diminishes the entire argument and the insulter.

Cognostic's picture
@David Killens: " Insulting

@David Killens: " Insulting people on the other side of a position does not earn any points in my book" Finally someone else chimes in. I have been along with this dweeb for two days now!

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: "I have been along

@Cog Re: "I have been along with this dweeb for two days now!"

...*William Tell Overture background music*.... Hi-ho, Silver! Awaaaayyyy...!!! Fear not, brave Cog! For the Lone Tin Ranger has arrived! What assistance do you require, kemosabe? Rustlers rustled? Bank robbers wrangled? Nagging nincompoops nabbed? My services are at your disposal! Be advised, however, I will do anything for love, but I won't do "that".

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In my experience Christians

In my experience Christians insist on joining Atheist forums due to a combination of ignorance and arrogance.

The ignorance is usually shown by a complete misunderstanding of the very word 'Atheism' .That is exacerbated by adding all kinds of views and beliefs to atheists Most Christians I've seen on forums have never actually bothered to learn even the most basic elements of reasoned discussion. The anti science and anti intellectualism of Christians seems to be a requirement .

EG from Martin Luther, father of the Protestant Reformation:

Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”

― Martin Luther

There is also an innate arrogance in Christians on forum; The unproven belief that they are in possession of some exclusive and absolute truth,. That poor atheists will naturally accept once all is explained to them .

Perhaps unsurprisingly, there is a fatal flaw in that notion; In my experience, most members (including me) of Atheist forums were originally believers of some kind. Many of us know exactly what we have rejected. Many have a far greater knowledge of Christianity and scripture than most of the Christian dropkicks who come here.

They presume too much and in doing so they disrespect us as people . ----- that is why I have only contempt for most believers who find their way to an atheist forum where I am a member

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@Fievel ,minor point: Some kind of formalised spiritual beliefs have been found in remains of cultures many thousands of years old :

"Prehistoric religions are the religious beliefs and practices of prehistoric peoples. The term may cover Paleolithic religion, Mesolithic religion, Neolithic religion and Bronze Age religions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_religion

Men invent religions to meed their needs. Religions always reflect the cultures which invent them ; Hence brutal, aggressive societies invent brutal aggressive gods, such as YHWH ,Marduk or the South American Pantheon with its human sacrifice. Religions do not create wars or hatred, murder or any other human vice. They are simply used to justify literally any behaviour you can possibly imagine.

When religions are abolished they are replaced by something else, often worse; The biggie is personality cults. Not only in countries such as say Soviet Russia ,China under Mao or North Korea. I'd suggest the near worship of President Trump by many of his follwers has elements of a personality cult

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic
Morgan Freeman put it really well. 99.9 percent of the people of the world do not want to die. Their answer is a god. There's four thousand two hundred religions. You claim they bring people together, when all these religions really do is divide everyone. The Big Bang is fact, not fiction.

You never answered my question either, why are you here if you're a Christian?

Tin-Man's picture
@Fievel Re: "You never

@Fievel Re: "You never answered my question either, why are you here if you're a Christian?"

Ummm... I'm guessing (hoping) you mean that in a general sense as to say, "Why are there any Christians on this site?" Because, rest assured, that mangy, flea-bitten, poo-flinging primate we know and love as Cog is about as far removed from being a Christian as a person could ever get... *chuckle*... That being said, I'll take a shot at answering your question, because it is indeed an interesting topic worth exploring (in my humble opinion)...

To be honest, my initial knee-jerk answer to that question is much along the lines of what yours might be. Namely, "Hell if i know."... *shrugging shoulders in confusion*... However, after taking a step back and giving it a little thought, here are a few speculations I have formed.

1. We haven't had many as of late, but sometimes we get a flood of high school and/or college students taking religious courses, and part of their assignments seem to be "interviewing" atheists on atheist websites. We have had a rare two or three who have actually been interested in learning something, but most of them are pretty much just going through the motions to get a passing grade.

2. There a few "regular" theists we have had on here who grace us with their presence off and on to discuss various subjects related to their particular dogma in an attempt to prove to us how incredibly stupid we close-minded, immoral, and intellectually challenged heathens truly are compared to their perfect god and its "objective moral" teachings. And, usually, after a day or two of having their asses shredded into hamburger, they disappear back into the Netherworld to lick their wounds until they recover enough to return for another round.

3. Sadly, MOST of the "theists" we get on this site are really just bridge-dwelling trolls and/or sock puppets. And I personally doubt any of them are even remotely close to being the faithful "god fearing" Christian/Muslim/etc. that they claim to be. Quite honestly, it is actually a relief and a pleasure on those very rare occasions we get a genuine for-real theist on here who is sincerely interested in having productive discussions with us.

4. Sometimes there are those who still identify as a theist of a particular faith, but maybe they are starting to have doubts and have arrived here in search of answers to help them make a very important life-changing decision. Can't speak for the others, but those are really my favorite ones, because it gives us a chance to have a positive influence on that person's life with the possibility of helping another fellow human escape from the insidious clutches of religious indoctrination.

No doubt there are several other reasons theists arrive here to engage us in discussions, and it is anybody's guess as to what those reasons may be. Furthermore, there are likely untold numbers of theist members who lurk around the site reading the various threads but will never make a post. To me, that is something important to keep in mind, as what we say on here could have an influence on somebody (good or bad) and we may never know one way or the other. Otherwise, the only other explanation I have for you is that people are people, and people do things for very strange reasons sometimes, regardless of their gender, age, race, sexual preferences, political stance, or..... religious beliefs. There you go...

Oh, by the way, welcome to the AR. Hang around long enough, and you will see what I mean. At the very least, it can be a fantastic learning experience.

Tin-Man's picture
@Fievel Re: "99.9 percent of

@Fievel Re: "99.9 percent of the people of the world do not want to die."

Well, Ize hates to beez da bare-er of bad news, but them thare folks is gonna be in fer one helluva ser-prize (an' a might dis-ay-pointed) one day whens dey finds demselves no lawnger livin'.

Cognostic's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitz: Your

@Fievel Mousekewitz: Your response is more inane assertions an unsubstantiated verbiage.

Morgan Freeman: Appeal to Authority? Who gives a shit what Morgan Freeman thinks. How do you know this? "Their answer is god." WTF are you on about? According to the Pew Research Center's 2012 global study of 230 countries and territories, 16% of the world's population is not affiliated with a religion. (That was 1012 and atheism has been on the rise since then.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion

WTF Are you Talking about and why. No one mentioned anything at all about the Big Bang. Do you even know what it is?

Where did you get the idea I was a Christian. Are you a Muslim? You will not last on this site 3 days with your inane bullshit. You can not hold Christians accountable for their bullshit when you are doing the exact same thing. One unfounded inane assertion after another will not fly around here.

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic
If you are an Atheist like me, then I apologize.

@Tin-Man
All good points.
I am sorry I do not have more for you at the time.

But yes religious people are probably hanging around, thinking people like like us are nuts.
I have actually had someone on YouTube try to convert me to Muslim, after I said I was an atheist on YouTube. 9/11 conspiracy video, which I don't believe in either.

Thanks for the welcoming words.

Cognostic's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitz: RE:

@Fievel Mousekewitz: RE: "But yes religious people are probably hanging around, thinking people like like us are nuts."

And when you talk like a nut you are simply feeding their fantasy. Why do that?

RE: If you are an Atheist like me, then I apologize.
Apologize for what? Being wrong? Being an atheist has nothing to do with the quality of the message.

You made the following assertions:
1. Christians are stupid, god believing, idiots. (A blatant Ad hominem attack and fallacious at its core.) Please prove these people are idiots. Galileo Galilei (1564–1642): Italian astronomer, physicist, Isaac Newton (1643–1727): Prominent scientist during the Scientific Revolution. Physicist, discoverer of gravity, Johannes Kepler (1571–1630): Prominent astronomer of the Scientific Revolution, discovered Kepler's laws of planetary motion, Lewis Carroll (1832–1898): [real name: Charles Lutwidge Dodgson], English writer, mathematician, and Anglican deacon. Robbins' and Rumsey's investigation of Dodgson's method, a method of evaluating determinants, led them to the Alternating Sign Matrix conjecture, now a theorem, Georges Lemaître (1894–1966): Roman Catholic priest who was first to propose the Big Bang theory, Walter Thirring (1927–2014): Austrian physicist after whom the Thirring model in quantum field theory is named. Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950) is an American physician-geneticist who discovered the genes associated with a number of diseases and led the Human Genome Project. ..

2. "There's nothing after death, death is nothing." How in the hell could you possibly know this? You are making a "nothing of the gaps fallacy." If you are going to hold a theist responsible for a fallacy in which they insert a god before anything can be known, you must hold yourself to the same standard. The FACT is that no one knows anything about anything "after death." other than the body lies in the ground and rots. Making the assertion "There is nothing after death." is the acceptance of a burden of proof. You are making an assertion about death an now you are required to prove your assertion true. Have you any evidence of anything at all that clearly demonstrates there is nothing after death. You are making a non-falsifiable claim. This is exactly the same thing the theists do and it makes you sound just as nutty as they sound. No one knows anything at all about "after death." That's why atheists keep asking them, "How in the hell do you know that?" And why their answers like yours will always come up empty.

3. "You claim they bring people together" YES! Religion has existed in nearly every culture on the planet. It is a bonding force; especially for clans and tribal people. As populations of people grow and expand, these religious ideas come in conflict with one another (THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED.) and this can lead to wars. Religion is and has always been a part of any community's shared belief system. It is this shared belief system that helps individuals to bond to their communities and to one another. As human beings evolved so did their religions.

""Finally, since religion is a community-based enterprise, it largely discourages disengaged individualism. While this has its hazards -- lock-step conformity, tribalism, narrow-mindedness, etc. -- it does promote social integration among its members and that is generally good for psychological functioning. The religions we have with us today did not just drop from the sky, they evolved, with a primary selection criterion being how well they created trusting, cooperative groups motivated for collective action. The motivations they employ and the actions they engender may be good or bad from an outside perspective; but, by and large, being part of a tight-knit social group is psychologically beneficial for its members." — Matt J. Rossano, Why Religion Is Not Delusion, Huff Post, 06/23/10

Religious participation may serve to strengthen social bonds
Roughly 80 percent of people around the globe identify with some type of religion, and scientists have been seriously pursuing insight into the evolutionary benefit of religious practice since the early part of this century. In a new study published in Nature Human Behaviour, Eleanor Power of the Santa Fe Institute writes that active religious participation may benefit practitioners by strengthening social bonds. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170306114228.htm

Shared language, shared ideas, and shared religious or spiritual beliefs are at the core of every social institution. Those who descent are tolerated but viewed as different, shunned, or removed.

4. Religions are no older than 7000 years. (OOPS) I cited an age of at least 120 thousand years above.
"It appears that early Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals were closely related. Cro-Magnons seem to have evolved in Africa about 120 000 years ago and spread to western Asia by 90 000 – 100 000 years ago. These people lived at the same time as the Neanderthals. European Cro-Magnon people became widespread during the Upper Palaeolithic, about 30 000 – 35 000 years ago.

Cro-Magnons had a more advanced culture than the Neanderthals. They made different kinds of tools such as blade tools, scrapers (including some made for smoothing and scraping leather) and fine bone tools. They lived in caves and under rock overhangs, although they may have built stone huts. Cro-Magnon people buried their dead like the Neanderthals, and probably had a religion: their art may have had magical or religious meaning. Cro-Magnons were the first people to carve, and sculpted engravings and statuettes of humans and animals have been found."

Religion has been around a whole lot longer than you imagine.

5. "We've accomplished a lot, but we could accomplish more if we would set aside religion."
Without our ability to bond and form clans, shared ideas, tribes, social mores, and in fact; RELIGION, we would not be here. It has been asserted that the failure of Neanderthal, a close cousin, to thrive, was his lack of ability to bond. Limited language skills, inability to live in large groups, and a lack of cognitive skills all contributed to his extinction. Our ability to work together and adapt to our environment has been essential to survival. Religion has played a key role in that throughout human existence and has been essential to our survival as a species.

The real questions are these: Have we outgrown it? (Obviously not yet but I think we are moving in that direction.) What comes next? (What will be the bonding force for humanity?)

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
Agreed.

Agreed.
So what is your point, people need religion to get along? I believe we could get along without religion. I believe the world would be better off if we were all the same, and got along not because of religion, but for no other reason then we all evolved from the same place. Even though some aren't the same color, we are still in fact human. And we should try to better ourselves by that fact alone.

As for death, there's no clinical proof that life continues after death. Believe you me, I wish there was some sort of solid proof of ghosts exist. But there's other explanations for ghosts I believe.

Sorry to make this so short, you remind me of someone who is a Christian who makes so much out of so little. I can not believe how long you make your explanations, but I still agree.

Thanks so much for sharing.

LogicFTW's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitz

@Fievel Mousekewitz
I actually think if you carefully define human life and "living" (difficult to do actually!) and then apply things like: a properly working brain that has all the nutrients its needs, pumped through by a living body host/heart, and when that process stops and those functions shut down, that person is no longer "alive" but dead, and given not very much time, (hour at the most,) of this destructive process of no nutrients the brain is damaged beyond repair and everything that makes a person a person and "alive" is lost.

There is zero evidence of some sort of transfer of information where all these biochemical electrical reactions that occur in the brain can somehow be replicated again outside of a human brain in some sort of "transfer" like into a ghost or a spirit. Probably the closest we can get is sharing as much of ourselves as possible on something like facebook, then a sort of digital "footprint" of "you" survives your death, but "you" the one experiencing your life certainly do not.

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@LogicFTW

@LogicFTW

I agree.
If there was something after death, I believe we would know it by now. Or we would have a good idea as to what was after death, if there was anything there. That's why I had brought up ghosts, since there's no solid evidence they exist, I doubt there's an afterlife either.

Cognostic's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitz: Your

@Fievel Mousekewitz: Your "beliefs" have little to nothing to do with what is "factual." Reference my previous questions: "Have we outgrown the need for religion? What comes next? What will be the bonding force for humanity?"

Re: "No clinical proof that life continues after death." This is another fallacy. No proof does not equal non-existence. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." (You will find me arguing the exact opposite on the forum. This is for the simple reason that belief is not 100% or nothing. I grant you that all the evidence we have is in your favor. It still takes a "LEAP OF LOGIC" or "FAITH" if you like, to reach the conclusion "CONCLUSION" "There is no consciousness You said "Life" (and we need not go there) after death. Your claim is unfounded. The best you can argue is 1. We have no evidence. 2. Any claim made about the topic has thus far been debunked. 3. We have no way to know for sure. You can not make the claim "There is nothing after death." You can not know this. You have adopted a burden of proof and now you must prove your assertion. )

We are not talking about Ghosts. You are off topic.

There is no clinical proof that "something" does not continue after death. You can not prove your point. You have made an unfalsifiable claim. Again, why do you keep bringing up ghosts. "Ghosts" is a mere attempt to limit possibilities., You are strawmanning the case for existence after death. No one said anything about ghosts. No one said anything at all about what existence after death looks like or consists of. All that was asserted is that your assertion, "Nothing Exists After Death," is completely groundless unless you can provide evidence. You have provided nothing.

You remind me of a very ignorant atheist who does not understand logical fallacies and who runs about making unsubstantiated claims concerning reality without the means or ability to back up those claims in any real way. You remind me of the ignorant angry atheists who is running about giving a bad name to us all.

You can not make the claim, "Nothing exists after death" without providing evidence for the claim. Please do so or stop making the claim.

"I suggest you begin to use phrases like - "We have no evidence for theist claims about life after death, and so we have no reason to believe them." When making such a statement, you do not adopt a burden of proof. You keep the burden of proof on the theist. They in turn are required to prove their assertion that life exists after death. Which of course, they will be unable to do. (At least no one has been able to do it in 10,000 years and we expect no changes in the future. If something should change, we will all believe in life after death and that still would not validate the existence of a god.)

By making the assertion, "No life exists after death," you are making a positive claim about reality and you now have a burden of proof. A burden of proof that you are obviously incapable of supporting else-wise you would have done it by now. By making such claims you are actually an embarrassment to Atheism. You would be OWNED by any knowledgeable theist.

Cognostic's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitzall: Now

@Fievel Mousekewitzall: Now you are just being an ass. YOUR ASSERTION WAS "these religions really do is divide everyone." NOT: "I believe we could get along without religion." LIKE A COWARD YOU HAVE NOT ADMITTED YOU WERE WRONG. You have been proved wrong. Your claim is unsupported. Now you want to claim it as a personal opinion and even attempt to alter your original assertion. No one gives a shit about your personal opinion. You can not substantiate your original claim. Your personal opinion is biased and not based on factual evidence. This is typical "Black and White" thinking. It is no different than the ignorance displayed by theists that visit the site.

RE: "As for death, there's no clinical proof that life continues after death." Another fucking lie as you attempt to soften your original comment. You clearly stated - "THERE IS NOTHING AFTER DEATH" a position you can not support in any way. YOU WERE WRONG. You can not possibly know anything about anything after death. Now you are attempting to sound all rational and simply repeating shit I told you. YOU DON'T GET TO DO THAT WITHOUT FIRST ADMITTING YOUR COMMENTS WERE IN ERROR.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT 'GHOSTS" At no point what this ever brought up in the conversation.

You still agree with what? That the statements you made were in error? That you can no more know anything about life after death than a Christian can know? That religion has historically been both a positive and a negative evolutionary evolutionary force? That not all Christians are idiots? What are you agreeing with?

Just because you are an atheist and come onto an atheist site, you don't get to spout unfounded nonsense without being challenged on it. (I know this well from personal experience and so do most of the other people posting on the site.) Angry prejudice just makes you look bad. And when you look bad and call yourself "Atheist," it is a direct reflection on the rest of us.

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
Going to keep this simple. I

@Cognostic

Going to keep this simple. I see no reason to believe consciousness can survive death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETSBh59l3g
I agree with Morgan Freeman.

Cognostic's picture
@Fievel Mousekewitz: " I see

@Fievel Mousekewitz: " I see no reason to believe consciousness can survive death." Now you are up to the same old bullshit escape routine the Christians and other theists do when they are backed into a corner. You are wriggling and squirming to make yourself sound more logical. YOU ARE A COWARD. Your original assertion was --- "THERE IS NOTHING AFTER DEATH" and not "I SEE NO REASON TO BELIEVE CONSCIOUSNESS CAN SURVIVE DEATH."

The original post is unfalsifiable and fallacious. You can not possibly know that there is nothing after death. In making the comment, You have adopted a burden of proof. Prove that there is nothing after death! You also asserted Christians were stupid. I guess you are dropping that one. You made the assertion that religion is no older than 7000 years. You were wrong again.

Your inane, unsubstantiated and bigoted assertions have been completely debunked in every case and now you are just in "Saving Face Mode." Had you thought about what you were saying before you logged in to rant you might not have sounded as ignorant.

Morgan Freeman is demonstrably wrong. It may be true that most people do not want to die; however, 16% of the worlds population DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR GODS. THEY DO NOT TURN TO GOD. AT MOST, THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE BOTH FEARING DEATH AND TURNING TO GOD IS ONLY 84% THIS IS A DEMONSTRABLE FACT as of 2012. I gave you the link above. Freeman is wrong and so are you. THAT IS A FACT, SUPPORTED BY EVIDENCE! SOMETHING NONE OF YOUR INANE ASSERTIONS HAVE.

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

I am getting the impression you do not want to face death, as you don't want to die. You can not help it, we all have to die. Face death, don't try to run from it, that wont work.

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Re: Fievel to Cog - "Face death, don't try to run from it, that wont work."

That's right, Cog. You should listen to Fievel's enlightening words of altruistic wisdom. If you try to run from death, you will just die all stressed out and tired. And, honestly, that just doesn't sound like a very healthy way to die.

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