Addressing Calilasseia and Sheldon.....

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Addressing Calilasseia and Sheldon.....

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DEAR SHELDON,

DEAR SHELDON,

Rabbi,
You have by the virtue of your wisdom, provided answers to all your questions to me via our discussion from the beginning. You are my source now in answering those questions. Go over all we said earlier you answers are there.

YOU: "What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?"

Science is not relevant to this basic epistemological requirement. (source Sheldon).
You also stated:
you cant objective evidence on a strictly subjective idea.

Hence you agreed that there are things that exist beyond scientific tools and observations or testable by science. And objective evidence is not an umbrella for proving all issues. We have discussed this over and over here.

YOU: "How many scientific facts do you deny that don't in any way contradict any part of your superstitious religious beliefs?"

You should know best. Since from your No 1 answer, some THINGS are beyond science tools/evidence, then we can ask, how many of those THINGS do you hold true even thought there are no objective evidence for them? Hence if objective evidence is your prima facie evidence, and holds through to nullify any non objective evidence, likewise the Scriptures are my authority and evidence on which platform all things are viewed. Have issue with that?

YOU: "How many beliefs that form no part of your superstitious religious beliefs, do you hold that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for? (list them please)"

Well when you explain "superstitious religious beliefs", i may understand your question and respond.

YOU: "Since you insist on repeatedly and dishonestly rehashing an argumentum ignorantiam fallacy that attempts to reverse your burden of proof, please tell us what "proof" you have that unicorns and mermaids, and all other deities humans have ever created are not real?"

You are not communicating here, just reliving your emotions via words. Not new though.

Sheldon's picture
@The Intruder

@The Intruder

You have addressed nothing, your vapid rhetoric hand waving is meaningless. As is your dishonest denial objective scientific facts.

All you've done is start a new thread to ignore and evade the responses and questions from your original thread. You have yet to evidence your opening claims in the OP as requested, you refuse to Ave knowledge your use if known logical fallacies, you won't respond to the question what objectivecevidence can you demonstrate for any deity with either a yes, no, or some evidence.

You have also not addressed your dishonest misrepresentation of atheism as a belief.

In short you have crossed the line from wilful ignorance, to deliberate mendacity.

Endless repetition won't make your claims any less facile, irrational or unevidenced. Start all the threads you want, your dishonest evasion will still be manifest for all to see, as are your lies making up straw man claims about science and assigning them to me.

Again I am left wondering what you hope to achieve here?

The Intruder "Miracles. God. Afterlife...."

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate a shred of evidence for those (unevidenced) claims, that you ironically claim are proof?

Edited: spelling & grammar, and clarity.

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@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon

Every time I read something form "intruder" I hear this in my head.....and I also think he must look like the bass player/vocalist.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs

Sheldon's picture
Not bad, but this seems to

Not bad, but this seems to sum him nicely.

https://youtu.be/ysFrt3V7nvI

Sheldon's picture
The Intruder "Hence you

The Intruder "Hence you agreed that there are things that exist beyond scientific tools and observations or testable by science. And objective evidence is not an umbrella for proving all issues. We have discussed this over and over here."

Yet you keep lying. I dont agree with your first conclusion and never did, and have said so multiple times, so you're a liar. NB this is not a contrary claim.

Your second claim is a straw man, as I have never made any such claim. I have only asked you what objective evidence you can demonstrate for any deity. Again your rank dishonesty in evading a direct answer to my question is manifest, and speaks volumes.

Stop lying please...

While we're at it, what's objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything exists beyond the natural physical world and universe?

Another question you have shamelessly avoided answering with even a pretence of candor.

Sheldon's picture
The Intruder

The Intruder

YOU: "How many beliefs that form no part of your superstitious religious beliefs, do you hold that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for? (list them please)"

Well when you explain "superstitious religious beliefs", i may understand your question and respond.

We already know you only deny scientific facts that contradict your superstitious religious beliefs, like species evolution, and the bias of that is self evident, your embarrassing evasion is truly risible though, do you seriously expect us to believe you don't know what religious beliefs are, or that you can't google the definition of superstitious? I'm actually embarrassed for you.

"YOU: "Since you insist on repeatedly and dishonestly rehashing an argumentum ignorantiam fallacy that attempts to reverse your burden of proof, please tell us what "proof" you have that unicorns and mermaids, and all other deities humans have ever created are not real?"

You are not communicating here, just reliving your emotions via words. Not new though."

That's another risible lie from you, since the fallacies you used have been thoroughly explained to you, so your attempt at face saving here is truly cringeworthy. You have relentlessly tried too reverse the burden of proof for your claim a deity exists, by demanding atheists disprove it, yet are happy to disbelieve things you cannot disprove, which is the very definition of hypocrisy, and dishonest as well of course. I'd have more respect if you had the candour to admit it went over your head.

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Tue, 02/11/2020 - 11:25

Tue, 02/11/2020 - 11:25

#82

The Intruder

@LogicFTW, "You just made up your own definition for the word "atheism."

You said i made it up. Lol it wasnt

Of course you made it up, see below. Atheism is defined as the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, it is therefore ipso facto not a belief. As you claimed, in the quote below...

Mon, 02/10/2020 - 19:43

(Reply to #68)#69

The Intruder

1. Atheism believes...

If you start any assertion atheism or atheists believe, then it is demonstrably false. You can only assert what an atheist believes when they tell you, until then all you can correctly infer is that they do not believe in any deity or deities. This is not debatable, it is an objective fact, that a cursory online search can validate with the dictionary definition of atheism.

NB If you repeat the claim after your error has been explained it ceases to be an error, and becomes a lie, so don't start whining like Jo, at being labelled mendacious if you do this, as I am not alone on here in having zero tolerance for deliberate mendacity or willful ignorance.

Added here, as The Intruder is dishonestly avoiding addressing it elsewhere. More to follow...

"Be sure your sins will find you out.."

Edited. Spelling & grammar

Sheldon's picture
Fri, 02/14/2020 - 11:12

Fri, 02/14/2020 - 11:12
The Intruder......Addressing Calilasseia and Sheldon.....

Address this.....

Wed, 02/12/2020 - 19:33(Reply to #92)#93
Sheldon

@The Intruder

Here are a few questions you seem determined to continue ignoring:

1. What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
2. How many scientific facts do you deny that don't in any way contradict any part of your superstitious religious beliefs?
3. How many beliefs that form no part of your superstitious religious beliefs, do you hold that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for? (list them please)
4. Since you insist on repeatedly and dishonestly rehashing an argumentum ignorantiam fallacy that attempts to reverse your burden of proof, please tell us what "proof" you have that unicorns and mermaids, and all other deities humans have ever created are not real?

That'll do for a start.... no more of your dishonest evasion now, you have come to us, so piss, or get off the pot!

Cognostic's picture
@The Intruder: Blathering

@The Intruder: Blathering Bullshit! (First time I every used the word "Blathering" and I have never seen such an appropriate opportunity. )

Sheldon's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

Blathering bullshit, kudos you nailed him precisely. You have to hope he is trolling, otherwise it really is an embarrassing display.

Edited: typo...

Calilasseia's picture
Let me guess ... the

Let me guess ... the plagiarised material was taken from some sleazy apologetics website, or worse still, a known source of manifest creationist lies and bullshit such as AiG. In the case of the latter, it was probably something I've already dealt with a decade ago.

David Killens's picture
@ The Intruder

@ The Intruder

"While we're at it, what's objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything exists beyond the natural physical world and universe?"

(quoted from Sheldon)

Poison Ivy's picture
@Sheldon, I'll be back to

@Sheldon That dude is probably a troll

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