Addressing Calilasseia and Sheldon.....

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Addressing Calilasseia and Sheldon.....

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The Intruder's picture
DEAR SHELDON,

DEAR SHELDON,

Rabbi,
You have by the virtue of your wisdom, provided answers to all your questions to me via our discussion from the beginning. You are my source now in answering those questions. Go over all we said earlier you answers are there.

YOU: "What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?"

Science is not relevant to this basic epistemological requirement. (source Sheldon).
You also stated:
you cant objective evidence on a strictly subjective idea.

Hence you agreed that there are things that exist beyond scientific tools and observations or testable by science. And objective evidence is not an umbrella for proving all issues. We have discussed this over and over here.

YOU: "How many scientific facts do you deny that don't in any way contradict any part of your superstitious religious beliefs?"

You should know best. Since from your No 1 answer, some THINGS are beyond science tools/evidence, then we can ask, how many of those THINGS do you hold true even thought there are no objective evidence for them? Hence if objective evidence is your prima facie evidence, and holds through to nullify any non objective evidence, likewise the Scriptures are my authority and evidence on which platform all things are viewed. Have issue with that?

YOU: "How many beliefs that form no part of your superstitious religious beliefs, do you hold that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for? (list them please)"

Well when you explain "superstitious religious beliefs", i may understand your question and respond.

YOU: "Since you insist on repeatedly and dishonestly rehashing an argumentum ignorantiam fallacy that attempts to reverse your burden of proof, please tell us what "proof" you have that unicorns and mermaids, and all other deities humans have ever created are not real?"

You are not communicating here, just reliving your emotions via words. Not new though.

Sheldon's picture
@The Intruder

@The Intruder

You have addressed nothing, your vapid rhetoric hand waving is meaningless. As is your dishonest denial objective scientific facts.

All you've done is start a new thread to ignore and evade the responses and questions from your original thread. You have yet to evidence your opening claims in the OP as requested, you refuse to Ave knowledge your use if known logical fallacies, you won't respond to the question what objectivecevidence can you demonstrate for any deity with either a yes, no, or some evidence.

You have also not addressed your dishonest misrepresentation of atheism as a belief.

In short you have crossed the line from wilful ignorance, to deliberate mendacity.

Endless repetition won't make your claims any less facile, irrational or unevidenced. Start all the threads you want, your dishonest evasion will still be manifest for all to see, as are your lies making up straw man claims about science and assigning them to me.

Again I am left wondering what you hope to achieve here?

The Intruder "Miracles. God. Afterlife...."

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate a shred of evidence for those (unevidenced) claims, that you ironically claim are proof?

Edited: spelling & grammar, and clarity.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon

Every time I read something form "intruder" I hear this in my head.....and I also think he must look like the bass player/vocalist.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs

Sheldon's picture
Not bad, but this seems to

Not bad, but this seems to sum him nicely.

https://youtu.be/ysFrt3V7nvI

Sheldon's picture
The Intruder "Hence you

The Intruder "Hence you agreed that there are things that exist beyond scientific tools and observations or testable by science. And objective evidence is not an umbrella for proving all issues. We have discussed this over and over here."

Yet you keep lying. I dont agree with your first conclusion and never did, and have said so multiple times, so you're a liar. NB this is not a contrary claim.

Your second claim is a straw man, as I have never made any such claim. I have only asked you what objective evidence you can demonstrate for any deity. Again your rank dishonesty in evading a direct answer to my question is manifest, and speaks volumes.

Stop lying please...

While we're at it, what's objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything exists beyond the natural physical world and universe?

Another question you have shamelessly avoided answering with even a pretence of candor.

Sheldon's picture
The Intruder

The Intruder

YOU: "How many beliefs that form no part of your superstitious religious beliefs, do you hold that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for? (list them please)"

Well when you explain "superstitious religious beliefs", i may understand your question and respond.

We already know you only deny scientific facts that contradict your superstitious religious beliefs, like species evolution, and the bias of that is self evident, your embarrassing evasion is truly risible though, do you seriously expect us to believe you don't know what religious beliefs are, or that you can't google the definition of superstitious? I'm actually embarrassed for you.

"YOU: "Since you insist on repeatedly and dishonestly rehashing an argumentum ignorantiam fallacy that attempts to reverse your burden of proof, please tell us what "proof" you have that unicorns and mermaids, and all other deities humans have ever created are not real?"

You are not communicating here, just reliving your emotions via words. Not new though."

That's another risible lie from you, since the fallacies you used have been thoroughly explained to you, so your attempt at face saving here is truly cringeworthy. You have relentlessly tried too reverse the burden of proof for your claim a deity exists, by demanding atheists disprove it, yet are happy to disbelieve things you cannot disprove, which is the very definition of hypocrisy, and dishonest as well of course. I'd have more respect if you had the candour to admit it went over your head.

Sheldon's picture
Tue, 02/11/2020 - 11:25

Tue, 02/11/2020 - 11:25

#82

The Intruder

@LogicFTW, "You just made up your own definition for the word "atheism."

You said i made it up. Lol it wasnt

Of course you made it up, see below. Atheism is defined as the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, it is therefore ipso facto not a belief. As you claimed, in the quote below...

Mon, 02/10/2020 - 19:43

(Reply to #68)#69

The Intruder

1. Atheism believes...

If you start any assertion atheism or atheists believe, then it is demonstrably false. You can only assert what an atheist believes when they tell you, until then all you can correctly infer is that they do not believe in any deity or deities. This is not debatable, it is an objective fact, that a cursory online search can validate with the dictionary definition of atheism.

NB If you repeat the claim after your error has been explained it ceases to be an error, and becomes a lie, so don't start whining like Jo, at being labelled mendacious if you do this, as I am not alone on here in having zero tolerance for deliberate mendacity or willful ignorance.

Added here, as The Intruder is dishonestly avoiding addressing it elsewhere. More to follow...

"Be sure your sins will find you out.."

Edited. Spelling & grammar

Sheldon's picture
Fri, 02/14/2020 - 11:12

Fri, 02/14/2020 - 11:12
The Intruder......Addressing Calilasseia and Sheldon.....

Address this.....

Wed, 02/12/2020 - 19:33(Reply to #92)#93
Sheldon

@The Intruder

Here are a few questions you seem determined to continue ignoring:

1. What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
2. How many scientific facts do you deny that don't in any way contradict any part of your superstitious religious beliefs?
3. How many beliefs that form no part of your superstitious religious beliefs, do you hold that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for? (list them please)
4. Since you insist on repeatedly and dishonestly rehashing an argumentum ignorantiam fallacy that attempts to reverse your burden of proof, please tell us what "proof" you have that unicorns and mermaids, and all other deities humans have ever created are not real?

That'll do for a start.... no more of your dishonest evasion now, you have come to us, so piss, or get off the pot!

Cognostic's picture
@The Intruder: Blathering

@The Intruder: Blathering Bullshit! (First time I every used the word "Blathering" and I have never seen such an appropriate opportunity. )

Sheldon's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

Blathering bullshit, kudos you nailed him precisely. You have to hope he is trolling, otherwise it really is an embarrassing display.

Edited: typo...

Calilasseia's picture
Let me guess ... the

Let me guess ... the plagiarised material was taken from some sleazy apologetics website, or worse still, a known source of manifest creationist lies and bullshit such as AiG. In the case of the latter, it was probably something I've already dealt with a decade ago.

David Killens's picture
@ The Intruder

@ The Intruder

"While we're at it, what's objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything exists beyond the natural physical world and universe?"

(quoted from Sheldon)

Sheldon's picture
@David Killens

@David Killens

The Intruder set his stall out fairly early on here, and once they start sneering at objectivity and objective evidence, well there's not a lot left to debate, as one can believe just about anything one wishes when the bar for evidence is set so low that it actually disappears and is replaced by the theistic nonsense of personal experience.

NB they often try to rubbish all evidence as personal experience at that point, as in one must personally experiencexscientific evidence, thus it is no different to unevidenced claims for personal experience. I am disinclined to point out how stupid that claims is, as there seems little point engaging with a claim so obviously disingenuous.

Sheldon's picture
@David Killens

@David Killens

The Intruder set his stall out fairly early on here, and once they start sneering at objectivity and objective evidence, well there's not a lot left to debate, as one can believe just about anything one wishes when the bar for evidence is set so low that it actually disappears and is replaced by the theistic nonsense of individual personal experience.

NB Theists often try to rubbish all evidence as personal experience at that point, as in one must personally experience scientific evidence, thus it is no different to unevidenced claims for their individual personal experience. I am disinclined to point out how stupid that claims is, as there seems little point engaging with a claim so obviously disingenuous.

The only alternative to it being rank dishonesty is it being rank stupidity, that actually believes objectively validated data is no different to someone claiming to have experienced something that they can demonstrate no objective evidence to support. Either way debate becomes rather moot at that point, as we have seen from multiple theists.

Poison Ivy's picture
@Sheldon, I'll be back to

@Sheldon That dude is probably a troll

Tin-Man's picture
@Poison Ivy Re: "That dude

@Poison Ivy Re: "That dude (Intruder) is probably a troll"

Probably???... Hmmm... And I'm guessing the universe is probably big... *chuckle*... The problem with Intruder, though, is that he is so terrible at it he gives other trolls a bad name.

Cognostic's picture
@Tin: I just don't know.

@Tin: I just don't know. Most trolls are more articulate than Intruder. I greatly fear he may be doing his very best to reach out to other human beings and have an interaction.

I have suggested that he begin with snowmen, move up to strawmen, eventually Tin men, and only then horses, dogs and roaches before attempting humans.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: "I have suggested

@Cog Re: "I have suggested that he begin with snowmen, move up to strawmen, eventually Tin men, and only then horses, dogs and roaches before attempting humans."

Ahem!... *clearing throat*... For your information, Mr. Smartie-pants, your order of intelligence is all wrong. I recently got tested and placed in between the horsie position and the doggie position, thank-you-very-much.... *sudden concerned look*... Uh, wait.... Something about that just doesn't exactly sound very good.... *scratching head*...

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ TM

@ TM

" I recently got tested and placed in between the horsie position and the doggie position, thank-you-very-much" exactly the position I saw you and Cog in the other day.....but why antlers Cog?

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: "....but why

@Old Man Re: "....but why antlers Cog?"

Yeah, Cog!!! Why the antlers, you asshole?!? Oh, and speaking of asshole... *rubbing backside*... those damn things HURT!

Cognostic's picture
@Tin-Man:

@Tin-Man:
I woke to pains in bed last night
Zero hour nine PM
And I had to trot to the toilet by then
I missed the floor but not by much.
It's lonely in this space
On such a timeless night

And I think it's going to be a long long time
The one chip challenge really blew my mind.
I'm not the man I think I was before
Oh no no no I'm a rocket man
Rocket man burning out my rectum here I go.

And I think it's gonna be a long long time
Till recovery brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh no no no I'm a rocket man
Rocket man burning out my asshole here alone

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: Rocket Man

@Cog Re: Rocket Man

Oh, great! Thanks! You just totally ruined that song for me...... ASSHOLE! Although, to be fair, that shit is funny as fuck... Wait, just to be clear, the SHIT wasn't funny at all. The changed song lyrics were funny. The SHIT, on the other hand.... Nope. Not funny. Not one little bit. Sure, I've had worse, but it still wasn't funny. And if that last Death Nut Challenge I did was any indication, this next one I do soon is likely to make my visit to the Porcelain Throne MUCH worse... *shudder*...

David Killens's picture
What is worse, the chips

What is worse, the chips going in, or going out? And if going out, was there collateral damage?

Tin-Man's picture
@David K. Re: "What is worse

@David K. Re: "What is worse, the chips going in, or going out? And if going out, was there collateral damage?"

Well, in the interest of full disclosure, I admit I drank about a half bottle of antacid before leaving the house to go to my buddy's place for the challenge. (My tummy is not nearly as durable as it once was.) So I'm fairly sure that helped dampen the effects of the next-day-purge to some degree. That being said, the consumption of the chip was BY FAR much worse. And so far as I could tell, there were no obvious signs of damage, but I swear I think I saw the water starting to boil just before I flushed the toilet.

Cognostic's picture
@Old man shouts ...

@Old man shouts ...
I had to replace the pig nose with something and I happened to run over a cow the other day in my car. Well, I thought it was a cow. Antlers? These things aren't horns? Well, FUCK! What in the hell am I going to do now? The damn things are super-glued to my head. "Moooo!" Wait a minute? What sound does a fucking deer make? God Dammnnit! How do you remove super-glue. SHIT! I GOTTA GO!

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: "Antlers? These

@Cog Re: "Antlers? These things aren't horns? Well, FUCK! What in the hell am I going to do now?"

Well, you could always paint your nose red and get a job pulling Santa's sleigh.... *shrugging shoulders*.... I happen to know an elf who works up north part-time. I could have him put in a good word for you..... Okay, honestly, the guy may not be a REAL elf. (Like I said, he works only part-time. It's not like he LIVES up there, obviously.) And I did notice his pointy ears looked as if they had been glued on with super glue. Even so, he showed me an "authentic looking" North Pole Work Permit, and Santa's signature certainly looked legit. Anyway, let me know, and I will see if I can track him down again. Shouldn't be too hard to find him. I noticed he seems to have some fascination with hanging around grade-school playgrounds.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cog and TM

@ Cog and TM

Did I say fucking deer? DEER? No affixed to his arse Cog had a FULL set of of fucking MOOSE antlers! So as I walked in I was presented with what looked like a giant fucking backward Mickey Mouse head with attachments thrusting back and forth...and....oh wait...Cog...I apologise, yes, you also had a set of 14 point Red deer stag horns on your actual head! WTFF? you two?

I didn't mind when you left me out the trans hyena bondage thing but I am beginning to think me and my Zulus are no longer welcome.

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: "I didn't mind

@Old Man Re: "I didn't mind when you left me out the trans hyena bondage thing but I am beginning to think me and my Zulus are no longer welcome."

Nope... Nope-nope-nope. You aren't gonna blame US for that. You know good and well it was YOUR fault for missing that little adventure. If I recall correctly, I do believe I remember you making some lame excuse about having to make jello sandwiches for some Actors Guild "ceremony". Yeah, right... *rolling eyes*... But let's just say I wasn't really too surprised when I saw you and your Zulus (along with some odd looking feathered creatures) in that video on the "Pygmies - r - Us" site the very next day. Incidentally, I never knew there were so many different ways to use an electric dough kneader.... *raising eyebrow and nodding head in a manner of being impressed*... Oh, and before you even ask, it is none of your business why I was on that site.

Cognostic's picture
@TIN: re: "Well, you could

@TIN: re: "Well, you could always paint your nose red and get a job pulling Santa's sleigh." LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!

Oh wait! That wasn't my ass that hit the floor, it was the antlers. THANKS TIN! Sorry, I can't take the job working with Santa's elves, It would mean giving up my part time job working for the Tooth Fairy. She is better looking than Santa.

Tin-Man's picture
By the way....

By the way....

Hey, Intruder! Where the fuck are you?!? In case you haven't noticed, it is quite obvious Old Man and Cog need Jesus! Don't waste this opportunity to perform a miracle in the name of your all-loving imaginary best friend!

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