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ROYISM "You are right that the prophet is the best example for a Muslim. But that does not mean we have to do all that he did without an appreciation of the context."
So he's the best example of universal objective morality for all times and all places, but you know better in the context of this time and this place...no, wait a minute...your pit is getting ever deeper.
You mean because you can choose to both marry them off at 6, and not to marry them off at 6? Hmm, deeper and deeper your pit goes.
You said it was moral again and again, and you just said your prophet is the best example of morality and he indulged in just this type of paedophilia? Are you now saying the prophet's rape of a child was immoral, you seem conflicted here.
You think choosing to eat beef or not, and choosing to rape or pimp out children to not are morally synonymous? Good fucking god man....
So you think those choices are synonymous in a moral sense? Choosing whether to ride a camel or not, and choosing whether to rape children or not? You also seem to be avoiding context now, as there were not that many modes of transport at that time in that location, and I suspect this is because you are staring to sense how ridiculous a corner your BS has painted you into.
Is not raping children equally as moral as raping them? Is not marrying your children off at 6 to be raped equally as moral as marrying your children off at 6 to be raped. Are you saying these choices have moral parity?
Keep digging....
***Note*** (Transferred this from middle of thread so it would have better chance of being viewed.)
Re: Roy (To Sheldon) - "You said: “What force keeps the earth orbiting the sun?”
Oh okay! I wonder why astronauts are given zero-gravity training before launching into space?"
...*clap-clap-clap*... Okay, children! Everybody take your seats!... *turning to chalkboard*... *writing 'GRAVITY' on board*... *turning back toward room*... Okay, class, settle down, settle dow- COG! GET YOUR FINGER OUT OF THERE! THAT'S DISGUSTING! And, Old Man, STOP encouraging him!... *pinching bridge of nose with thumb and index finger*... *shaking head slowly*... *heavy sigh*... *looking up toward ceiling*... Why me?... *looking back to room*... Sheldon. Nyar. Would you be so kind as to monitor those two for me, please. Thank you.
Now, boys and girls, as I was about to say, today's lesson is abo- Roy!... ROY!... ROOOOOY!... Oh, good grief. Cyber, would you please shake Roy to wake him for me?... Ah. There we go. Thank you, Cyber. So, Mr. Roy, thank you for joining us. Sorry to interrupt your dream about 72 virgins, but today's lesson is especially for you. Please do try to pay attention. There's a good lad.
So, as I was saying, today we are learning about gravity as it relates to objects in orbit around our planet. Now, I understand some of you may be confused about the term "zero gravity" that is often used, as if there is no gravitational influence in space. As if gravity somehow magically disappears once you leave the planet. And when you see astronauts in a spacecraft floating around like bubbles, it is easy to think they are not being affected by any type of gravitational influence. But that is far from true.
The reason the astronauts appear to "float" inside the spacecraft while in orbit is because they are in a state of constant freefall around the planet. And the reason the spacecraft is able to maintain that "circular" path around the planet is directly caused by the gravitational pull of the Earth not wanting to "let go" of it. And while it is very, very slight, the astronauts are under the influence of micro-gravity, as they too are still within the "grasp" of Earth's gravitational pull. See?
Okay, kids, I hope you all learned someth-... *puzzled look on face*... What's that noise? Sounds like a muted chainsaw... *looks toward Roy*... *face palm*... Of course... He's snoring... *heavy sigh*... Roy!... ROY!... ROOOOOY!... *shaking head slowly*... Oh, nevermind... Class dismissed. Your homework assignment is on the boa- COG! Don't you DARE fling that in here!... *grumbling to self*... (I swear, I'm not getting paid enough for this...)
Hah that was great Tin-Man!
And this thread, actually; this whole forum could use some good humour once in a while to lighten the mood.
@ROYISM and Leper.
In your belief system, is it possible for a man to rape his wife?
Do you believe a child of 6 or even 9 can give informed consent to sex or marriage?
If you could would you change the law to allow adult men to marry and have sex with children as young as 6 or 9? If this happened would you take the opportunity if you were single to marry and have sex with children as young as 9 or even 6?
I am not holding my breath for any candid answers, but lets see.
@Sheldon
"In your belief system, is it possible for a man to rape his wife?"
Yes.
"Do you believe a child of 6 or even 9 can give informed consent to sex or marriage?"
No. But besides all that I must point out that even if a child was married (they are in some countries married young, too young) it is not allowed for a man to have intercourse with them until they are capable - meaning until it does them no harm.
"If you could would you change the law to allow adult men to marry and have sex with children as young as 6 or 9?"
No.
"If this happened would you take the opportunity if you were single to marry and have sex with children as young as 9 or even 6?"
A little absurd, but no.
@Leper
Not that absurd, ROYISM said he'd be happy to lower the age of consent to 6. Is he a bad Muslim?
Also when you said marrying children too young was an accepted practice, but they didn't have sex with them until it "did them no harm," what safety checks are in place to stop husbands ignoring this? Also do you recognise harm is not limited here to just the physical?
Also if you think this is wrong, are you saying the prophet Mohammed was immoral to marry and have sex with a small child of 6 to 9?
@Sheldon
"Not that absurd, ROYISM said he'd be happy to lower the age of consent to 6."
No they didn't.
"Also when you said marrying children too young was an accepted practice"
Reading comprehension can be practiced. I said in some places this happens. I was referring to now.
"but they didn't have sex with them until it "did them no harm,"
I didn't say that either strictly speaking.
It isn't allowed for them. I don't know what happens behind closed doors - neither do you.
"what safety checks are in place to stop husbands ignoring this?"
I don't know.
"Also do you recognise harm is not limited here to just the physical?"
Sure.
"Also if you think this is wrong, are you saying the prophet Mohammed was immoral to marry and have sex with a small child of 6 to 9?"
I didn't say he did.
Sheldon did not say "they" he said Royism.
I know you got a lot to reply to, but... jeeze, read!
@Logic Re: To Leper - "Sheldon did not say "they" he said Royism."
C'mon now, Logic. Show some compassion and understanding. When juggling multiple personalities and having to switch stinky socks back and forth from one hand to the other, it is only natural that a person will sometimes get a little confused. And I imagine living under a bridge can't make things much easier.
I have no idea what you mean by they, but ROYISM certainly said it on here, I think you've confused yourself.
Indeed it can, I encourage you to do so. You might learn how too spell practised for instance.
Nice straw man, I never said I knew, indeed my question infers I did not know, that reading comprehension letting you down again. I asked what safety checks are in place to stop husbands ignoring this? We can infer from your answer there are none, so the practice is likely to place children as young as 6 in extreme danger of sexual abuse and rape.
I never claimed you had said it, your reading comprehension letting you down again. It was a topic under discussion and other Muslims (see ROYISM example) not only acknowledged this happened, but thought it perfectly moral for a man in his 50's to marry and rape children as young as 6. He said so on here. Do note the question mark at the end of my sentence, thus it is a question, not an assertion.
@Sheldon
I mean ROYISM. I do not know if they are male or female so I refer to them - and to most people here - as they. And still, no they didn't. But go ahead and try to prove it.
I never said you said you knew. Are you insulted by what I said? Again?
Your last question is based on an assumption about the prophet Muhammad. I think your assumption is incorrect therefore there is no way for me to answer yes or no to it without insinuating that your assumption was correct and that I accept it - what else can I say, but that it never happened? ROYISM seems to believe in it. I don't know why. It isn't my problem and it doesn't affect my responses.
Wow, Leper (Fergie/Fig/AB/DC/Billy/maybe Roy).... *shaking head sadly*... You are really getting worse and worse with this troll stuff. So sad. Is the strain getting too much for you to handle? As I said in another thread, it is almost heartbreaking watching you slip so badly closer and closer to the abyss. Almost like somebody throwing a soup sandwich into the middle of a train wreck. Oh, you poor dear child. Bless your darling little heart.
Yes he did, and I know he did, as do many others, you trolling about it won't change this fact or get a bite from me, as I know he said it, so why would I care what you choose to deny.
Nope, it's not my assumption at all.
No idea what you;re referring to sorry, you need to quote the text.
The texts quoted suggest it did, and they were quoted by a Muslim, that Muslim had inferred it did happen. Your unevidenced claim is meaningless.
Neither does integrity from what I have seen. Though you're hardly the first religious apologist to come here and dishonestly cherry pick which parts of their religious book to accept as true and which not. I't not as impressive or compelling as they always seem to think.
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