I am challenging our Seventh Day Adventist, Baptist, Catholic, Hndu, and Muslim members of this forum to agree that peripatetic arguments prove god. And then use those same peripatetic arguments to prove the god they each believe in is the same one.
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Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in the same god: Only one necessary being that is simple, knowing, Powerful, wise ...etc. what you're asking for is not to prove a certain god, but to prove that Muhammad is a prophet or that Jesus is the son of god who had been crucified and resurrected and not just a prophet. and these things do not have any relevance whatsoever to my arguments for the existence of god.
You all have a god of your own imagination and have killed each other over it. Let us see if any Hindu or Protestant apologists wish to get involved!
You're full of shit!
Peripatetic that is!
That's true. The arguments for the existence of God do not point to which religion is correct. It simply lays the proof that a God exists. And from these arguments, we can come up with an idea to the qualities that God would have.
Chimp, I believe you're confusing the questions, "Is there a God?" and "Has God revealed Himself to man?". With the first question, theists would agree on the answer - Yes. On the second, we'd have different answers. It is the second question that ultimately leads to which of the religions are true.
Argue with peripatetic, not me!
Not sure what was Peripatetic argument. But as far as what is written here by both him and Jon the Catholic, I am in agreement with and have nothing to add.
Well, at this point we have a Muslim, Catholic, and Seven Day Adventist. If they wish to entertain us, they can use Aristotle's method to prove their god is the same god.
I guess it’s pretty simple to prove that with us.
Do you worship just one God? Who is the creator of the universe? Who is all knowing and all powerful? Who is the source of all that is good?
Use the first mover argument to prove that Allah, Yahweh, and Vishnu are the same god.
which part of "these things do not have any relevance whatsoever to do with my arguments" your little atheist mind didn't get? there is no such thing as "which god, Allah or Jehovah, does exist?". it's so sad that atheists are not even capable of asking the right question nor are capable of answering with a right answer. the right thing to say would be: "Prove the revelation is true", "Prove that Muhammad received revelation from god" or "Prove that Jesus is the son of god and not just a prophet and had been crucified and resurrected". Don't you even know the difference between saying: "Does god exist?" and "Did god send prophets?" and "Is X a real prophet?" each one of these questions has its own type of arguments. Answering the first one does not have any relevance to other questions. so, it is so stupid to ask "whom god does exist?".
So, the first mover argument proves nothing?
Proves that there is a necessary being who must've created the universe.
Proves you are capable of creating thought experiments.
equating thought experiments to the existence of god marks you as brainless pseudo-intellectual ignorant.
I am equating thought experiments to your limpid, archaic argument for god.
Chimp, you’re forcing us to prove a specific religion from the first cause or first mover arguments, which is asking the argument to do something it was not intended to do. To discuss specific religions, you’d have to ask the question, “Did God reveal himself to man?” Which you can only ask if you believe first that a God exists.
How do you guys reconcile the differences in each religion?
"They got the major idea right, but the details wrong"
Lots of wars happened over the "details."
To me some of the detail differences are NOT small.
Perhaps the same way two people can be atheists, but have completely different definitions as to what that means, as well as reasons why they call themselves that. Those differences are not small, Buddhists are practically atheists, and so are Satanists, but I doubt you have anything in common with them other than your belief that there isn't a God.
Likewise, I never doubted that SDA's, Catholics, Muslims, and Jews are talking about the same God. Regardless of how small or large the differences are.
John: Do you believe Hindus are talking about the same god when they reference Vishnu?
No, they are the outliers. Yet I do believe there is sufficient overlap between all religions to conclude they have the same thing in mind.
Hindus? 950 million is an outlier?
Correct given that 950mil is irrelevant to my statement.
Fundie statistics in a nutshell.
John is a Seventh Day Adventist. There are 20 million of them.
SDA's are outliers within Christianity. Hindus are outliers within the list of religion you provided. Its not complicated.
Many more Hindus believe Jesus is a reincarnation of Krishna than there are SDA's.
I've got a million of 'em!
Good, now if there are 4 orange balls, and 1 green one. Which is the outlier?