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That's religious. Try Logic.
@Matheist
You think spouting the same arguments (really inane assertions) on different threads will make it true?
The argument for this thread is: Allah is ENERGY.
Where is the counterargument?
I only see insults.
No insults from my part. You are already accepting the existence of Allah, logic doesn't work that way. Prove Allah exist, define energy and prove this "energy" is Allah.
Energy is a scalar quantity. Do you really think your deity is a scalar quantity? While I'm not that familiar with your mythology; I'm betting it has something to say about people who defame Allah.
@Matheist
"The argument for this thread is: Allah is ENERGY. "
This is your claim. You are required (as the claimant) to prove allah.
And so you understand, you must prove the existence of this being. An assertion or reliance on the holy book is not proof.
No counter-argument is necessary.
The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not him who denies.
Here is the issue:
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Your only argument it is wrong to pronounce an "orange" as "narandžasta (Bosnian)"
IT MUST BE PRONOUNCED AS ORANGE ONLY!
Bigotry issue and there is no merit in it.
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My argument:
1. Energy exists.
2. Everything is Energy.
3. Ancient people call that Energy as Light
4. I call that Energy as Allah.
5. These people call Energy as:
Bangla: শক্তি
Bulgarian: Енергия
Chinese Simplified: 能源
Chinese Traditional: 能源
Cantonese (Traditional): 能源
Fijian: Kaukauwa
Filipino: Enerhiya
Greek: Ενέργεια
Hebrew: אנרגיה
Hindi: ऊर्जा
Hmong Daw: Zog
Icelandic: Orku
Japanese: エネルギー
Kiswahili: Nishati
Klingon: HoS
Klingon (pIqaD):
Korean: 에너지
Malagasy: Hery
Malay: Tenaga
Persian: انرژی
Russian: Энергия
Samoan: Malosi
Serbian (Cyrillic): Енергија
Tahitian: Puai
Tamil: ஆற்றல்
Telugu: శక్తి
Thai: พลังงาน
Tongan: Ivi
Ukrainian: Енергія
Urdu: توانائی
Vietnamese: Năng lượng
Welsh: Ynni
Therefore:
Energy is "1" ("the capacity for doing work" <- the attributes)
Say, Energy, is One. (Quran 112:1)
He made all gods (energy) same god (one/ATTRIBUTES). (Quran 38:5)
We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you, and your God ("the capacity for doing work", Energy) and our God (Allah, Light, Energy) is ONE AND THE SAME. We are Muslims (natural person) wholly submitted to Him/Energy. (Quran 29:46)
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Why is it wrong to pronounce an "orange" (~ Energy) as "narandžasta (~ Allah)"?
Bigotry? Racism? Delusional? Other issues?
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So please answer it.
Matheist, you wrote, “So please answer it.”
No.
You get no more ‘energy’ from me.
1 - Empirical claim
2 - Empirical claim
3 - Anecdotal evidence
4 - Your unproven bullshit assessment
5 - And this, was a whole list of unnecessary dog shit
Question though, if Allah is all energy, does that mean everytime you're ploughing your misses or rubbing one out... your actually pumping Allah too?
That is argumentum ad lapidem
Question though, if Allah is all energy, does that mean everytime you're ploughing your misses or rubbing one out... your actually pumping Allah too?
That will only become an issue if you can prove your own existence.
Else, it is delusional.
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The life of the world is but matter of illusion. (Quran 57:20)
Who controls hearing and sight. (Quran 10:31)
You think its absurd?
Its genuine my pedigree chum.
You've made the claim that your deity is all energy...
Failing to realise the all energy is contingent upon causal natural factors, thus your God is subject to them.
I.e. he isn't all that great.
Furthermore, YOU make the claim he is all of us, and that he is everything.
So everytime you crack one out, your abusing your creator.
More bollocks from another dimwit.
PROVE YOUR GOD EXISTS EMPIRICALLY!!!
That is delusional... the maximum number you can get is "1".
"Failing to realise the all energy is contingent upon causal natural factors, thus your God is subject to them."
Do you think we should tell him what happens to his god when the universe suffers it's heat death?
Then the issue will be:
The problem with dogma:
1. delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (nature) or rational argument (logic), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
2. Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).
Reality: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are THE SAME
Fantasy: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are NOT THE SAME
Which of you is mad/BRAINWASHED? (Quran 68:6)
matheist: "Which of you is mad?"
The YOU, you.
rmfr
Errr... the one who believes in invisible cosmic wizards, or the ones who don't? Hmmmmmm....
Who is mentally ill? ones who treat others how they wish to be treated? Or ones who throw homosexuals off buildings?
Who is delusional? One who understands evolution, gravity and has seen their effects? Or the bellend that thinks his mystical kiddy fiddler flew on a winged horse?
Tough one, it's hard to make a call.....
The life of the world is but matter of illusion. (Quran 57:20)
Who controls hearing and sight. (Quran 10:31)
What me worry (Elbert E Newman)
Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. (Forrest Gump)
I can also rattle off saying from characters from a book, and the merit of their words carry as much weight.
That is delusional since it is against the Law of Cause & Effect.
Not at all. I am quoting from some fictional books, as are you.
“What me worry (Elbert E Newman)”
Alfred E. Neuman?
I'll refer to biology rather then your pile of shit book.
You can refer to anything but it does not change the fact that:
Reality: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are THE SAME
Fantasy: "orange" AND "narandžasta" are NOT THE SAME
Denying the truth doesn't change the facts.
Which of you is mad/BRAINWASHED? (Quran 68:6)
Matheist, you have not even hurdled the first point, to prove allah.
Sane people are watching you rattle on for four pages and rehashing the same failed logic.
Once again .. step one ..prove allah.
I'm proving Allah by making an argument that:
1. EVERYTHING IS ENERGY, nothing else.
2. Apart from transformation of Energy, you have no existence (atoms are empty space)
THEN: all other issues are bigotry issues... the sign for mental illness.
There is no merit on that issue.
Do you agree everyting is ENERGY?
LOL...You are using the quran as a means of validation that your god is real...circular much? You are using the quran to say allah ha ha ha ha is energy...again...circular much? You have yet to prove either the quran is not a comic book, that your god exists or that allah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha is energy. You are on here apparently to repeat your assertions until you look stupid...news flash, you are already there.
At one time the singularity we refer as the Big Bang was basically a lot of heat, therefore energy. In a very small amount of time that singularity expanded and the evolution of energy began, eventually leading to the formation of hydrogen and helium. So it is a broad reach, but technically correct to state that we came from energy.
"2. Apart from transformation of Energy, you have no existence (atoms are empty space)"
My body relies on both energy and substance to exist. Atoms are not empty space, they just possess a lot of empty space.
But for these processes, allah is not required. The explanation on how this universe formed and it's interactions is well explained by physics, no god required.
It is possible for a meeting of minds on the "energy" topic, but I fail to see how you can explain allah.
You have to laugh at someone inept enough to try to prove his God using logic, then shifts the burden of proof...
You really make this crap up.
That is what he has been attempting to do from post number one. He has continually attempted to place the burden of proof on atheists, despite the many reasons given.
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