Why do Christians cry about it being an infringement against their Freedom of Religion when they are asked a question they cannot answer?
And answer only this question.
Do not go off on other tangents such as: Give me an example question. Or ask your own questions.
Answer the question highlighted above.
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For the exact same reasons the Muslims begin crying "ISLAMAPHOBIA" every time you point out the heinous shit contained in their religion and its filthy text.
@arakish
Even though I am not a Christian I will answer since the tile says theists and not Christians. Honestly, I don't understand your question, reason being is it doesn't make any sense for a Christian to say or do that. But, to answer, the only reason I can see that happening is due to that person not knowing or not wanting to answer a question.
Why Do some Muslims try to dishonestly misrepresent legitimate criticisms of their religions doctrine and dogma, by mendaciously trying to label it racist? I find the unwarranted accusation almost as offensive as the opportunistic racists who try to pretend their racism is a legitimate criticism of religious ideas.
When they theists can't say anything smart, adhominem, and blaming are the "go to" defensive maneuvers. Or, I suppose, theists could simply pretend not to know what the questioner is talking about.
@sheldon
I personally don't know any Muslims like that and don't do that. As with anything in this world (not only religion) there will always going to be people that will act like that. You ever met a SJW? Ever met a liberal? So making it seem like it's only limited to theists isn't true.
That's a silly straw man, as I never asked if you knew anyone like that. I asked "Why Do some Muslims try to dishonestly misrepresent legitimate criticisms of their religions doctrine and dogma, by mendaciously trying to label it racist? "
If you claim not to know then just say so.
Yet you choose to respond but ignore the question.
No, I have never met an sjw, I had never even heard of the term until on here a few weeks ago when someone threw the accusation at other posters in what was obviously an ad hominem fallacy, to avoid addressing what those posters had said. . Like Islamophobia I'm inclined to believe it is a made up term, that some people use to push their agenda, as it is far easier to label people with lazy stereotyping, than it is for them to address what those people have said. I have met people who would describe themselves as liberal yes, though I fail to see what your point is.
"So making it seem like it's only limited to theists isn't true."
Making what, seem like what, is limited to theists, doesn't make what true???
@ Searching for truth - "I don't know any Muslims like that."
Muslim Immigrants Attack Christian Family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdYZbAxKLio
Muslim Extremists taking over my town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0XTvuRycY
Muslim immigrants brutishly attack people in Sweden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZufpms7E6w
Mainstream Muslims being honest about their beliefs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OCTslNeT8
What happens if you criticize Muhammad?
Quran (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and has prepared for them the doom of the disdained"
Quran (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
Christian governor of Jakarta found guilty of blasphemy for saying Muslims should vote for him. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/christian-governor-jakarta...
Dec 15, 2017 - Woman jailed for insulting prophet Muhammad Housewife Tham Yut Mooi was sentenced to six months' jail and fined RM15,000 for mocking .
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/.../malaysian-woman-jailed-for-insulting.....
May 30, 2017 - One year in jail fined of Dh500,000 for insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Muslims in messages left on Facebook.
https://www.thenational.ae/.../man-jailed-and-fined-dh500-000-for-insult......
A Saudi man has been sentenced to death after insulting the prophet Muhammad on Twitter. By Cleve R. Wootson Jr. April 27, 2017 Email the
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../a-saudi-arabian-man-has-been-sentence......
Apr 4, 2012 - Egyptian Copt jailed for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.
Jun 12, 2017 - An anti-terrorism court in Pakistan has sentenced a man to death for allegedly insulting the prophet Muhammed during an argument on ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk › News
How many of these would you like to see. Seriously, if you are going to have an intelligent conversation, you need to open your eyes. The British can not walk the streets of their own country without being raped by Muslims. The Swedes and the Belgians are having the same problem. What do you think is going on in the world?
@Cog
In the interest of trying to beat anybody else to the punch(line).....
Oh, c'mon, Cog! That's not fair! Anybody and everybody knows that the people who do those things are not TRUE Muslims or followers of Islam.
Delayed edit to add: Okay, for the record, and to avoid any confusion, let it be known I jumped in here with that old and worn out "excuse" simply to be an ass and steal the thunder from any of the theists who might have been drooling to make that statement themselves. Although, if interpreted in a different context, it could be seen as I used my Prophet Powers to predict it would be used, so I decided in my divine benevolence to save any potential theist posters the embarrassment of posting it themselves. Hmmmm..... *scratching chin*.... Yeah, I think I like that interpretation better.
ROFLMAO - The irony is so thick my stomach hurts and I can not breath. There you go, defending the religious again. I think you need some of my medicine, Someone around here is really taking things the wrong way. I am pretty sure it is not you. So it must be me!!!! Is there another choice?
@Tin-man
Lol thanks bro. There's a reason you're one of my favorite people on his forum.
@cog
Seeing how much time you spend looking for and hand picking your videos, it seems Islam/Muslims are living rent free in your head. I would advise you and tell you to let go of the hate for your own sake but, I know you won't listen. I'll pray for you
I'm fairly certain Tin-man was being ironic.
You have also ignored Cog's post and simply used lazy stereotyping exactly as I asked you about in my post. So it seems you do know at least one Muslim "like that" as you're clearly like that since you just behaved in exactly that way. If Cog's points are wrong address them, with counter examples and explain why he is wrong, your bare dismissal just illustrates my point.
I also think it's pretty hypocritical of you to talk about others hating, we have all read the religious bigotry and prejudice you have posted on here. Save your prayers,, that's just a smug attempt to be condescending as you know atheists don't care about such superstitious nonsense.
I am quite certain that Tin Man was being 100% honest. You know how he always runs about defending theists on the site. Rumor has it that his tin hat was created from is an alloy made from ore discovered at Golgotha and a magic horse shoe from the same winged horse Muhammad used to fly to the moon.
@Cog Re: "...his tin hat was created from is an alloy made from ore discovered at Golgotha and a magic horse shoe from..."
Hey, not only my hat, but also my magical underwear.....*striking a pose to showcase my behind*....
By the way, these vitamin shots I use to give you are GREAT! Woooo-hoooo....*wiggling fingers in front of my face*.... Got curious and decided to try one. Wow! I can see my house from here! Oh, and, uh, just so you know, I strongly suggest you find Jesus and bring him into your life so that you can be saved....*hand over mouth really quick*.....*confused look*.... Huh???...What the hell did I just say???
@Searching for truth
Is a Muslim or Christian who believes that people who do not worship their god should be tortured a hateful extremist, or a loving moderate?
Sapporo,
"Is a Muslim or Christian who believes that people who do not worship their god should be tortured a hateful extremist, or a loving moderate?"
Yeshua (Jesus) is going to roast their (my ass) asses. He's a mean mother____.
John 15:6 (NLT) = "6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned."
@cog
Oh and I said that I didn't personally know people like that, didn't say they didn't exists but, take my words out of context to fit your narrative.
At least we are in agreement - "They Exist" So there really is no reason for the comment that you don't know any. I can introduce you to a whole bunch. There is a mosque that teaches hatred of westerners only a mile away from my house. Reporters have gone in secretly and videotaped the classes. "Don't wear your hair like a non-muslim. Don't dress like a non-muslim. Don't make friends with non-muslims. And this is what they teach to children.
AND THE BEST PART OF YOUR POST - WHEN CONFRONTED WITH - (FACTS - VIDEOS - AND NEWS ITEMS ) PLEASE EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING!!!!
(QUOTE: "I would advise you and tell you to let go of the hate." )
The exact response to the question about Christians and why they do what they do........
(QUOTE: "For the exact same reasons the Muslims begin crying "ISLAMAPHOBIA" ) every time you point out the heinous shit contained in their religion and its filthy text.
We can interchange the word islamaphobia with hate can't we? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... And you don't know anyone who does WHAT?
@cog
While I highly doubt anything you're saying is true, even if it is I still don't see what your point is. Also, just FYI, because I am choosing not to address every point you have mentioned does not mean I even slightly agree with you, I am just choosing to save myself the headache of arguing with a monkey. As I said before, seems Islam Is living rent free in your head. Unfortunately, it's the twisted and extremist version which is taken way out of context. Good luck
"I am just choosing to save myself the headache of arguing with a monkey. "
What a truly appalling thing to say, you owe him an apology, and I think we can all see who is a religious bigot here yet again, and the only thing you're sparing is the pretence of having any cogent thoughts of your own, other than the superstitious guff you have been indoctrinated to believe, and are incapable of objectively questioning.
"As I said before, seems Islam Is living rent free in your head. Unfortunately, it's the twisted and extremist version which is taken way out of context. "
Are you saying that version doesn't exist? What makes you right and them wrong? You have no more evidence for your version of the superstition than they do, and the texts often support their version more than they do yours. Any chance you'll grow up and answer some questions, or is evasion and ad hominem all you have?
@ Unfortunately, it's the twisted and extremist version which is taken way out of context. Good luck.
So there is a context in which all the FACTS, VIDEOS, EVIDENCE, NEWS ARTICLES, ATROCITIES AND HORRORS OF ISLAM IN THE WORLD TODAY is acceptable? Please continue, I would love to hear this context! I'm all ears.
People doing atrocities in name of their religion aside. There are clearly religious people, recognized as 'Good' people by their own religious peers. That for irrelevant reasons might do something 'Bad'.
Now, what bothers me the most, is how easily a 'Good theist' can become a 'Bad theist', as deemed by his own peers. If anything, it seems to show the apparent inability of religion to ensure moral behavior. As well as people judging others with the same set of beliefs, based on ... well, it can't be the same set of beliefs now, can it? Else any atrocity would be justifiable. Instead, Theists seem awful quick to resort to something else rather than their own religion.
Then, what could be more important than religion to even religious folks?
It becomes painfully apparent, how religion has nothing to do with morals.
And saying it's just another interpretation of a certain religious message is plain absurd in this case. It's the same as admitting that your religion is flawed, and needs a correction. Doesn't sound like the perfect word of God, that religion claims itself to be, now does it?
Muashkis,
People make a serious mistake when they start thinking that religion is about morals. Religion is about obedience and loyalty to the Boss. That's all it is. It has zero to do with morality.
@sapporo
I can't speak for Christians but, Muslims do not believe in torturing anyone who does not believe in Allah. Not even apostates. Sure, there are those extremists that don't understand what they are reading and think they are here to judge everyone but, that goes against the basics of Islamic teachings. So to answer your question, the answer is hateful extremist
"Muslims do not believe in torturing anyone who does not believe in Allah. Not even apostates. "
Absurd nonsense, clearly there are Muslims who believe this very thing, to deny it is as absurdly stupid as trying to pretend all Muslims are the same.
"Sure, there are those extremists that don't understand what they are reading and think they are here to judge everyone"
So then there demonstrably are Muslims who believe this, and you just contradicted yourself. Or are you using the imbecilic No True Scotsman fallacy yet again, even though you know it is spurious?
"that goes against the basics of Islamic teachings."
"Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them." "
You sir are a lying hypocrite, and they may be extremists but their appalling views accurate reflect koranic texts like the one above. Mohammed was a sadistic warlord and paedophile, so claiming his teachings form a good moral compass for decent people in the 21st century is asinine.
It's also clear from previous posts that you are yourself a "hateful extremist", as we have all seen your bigoted religious prejudices against gay and transgender people.
"But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Every time they seek to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be driven back therein, and it will be said to them: "Taste the torment of burning!"" qur'an 22:19-22
Sounds like torture to me.
Seriously? I just gave you examples. Now you are just being a DICK. You do not understand your own teachings.
FROM THE FRIGGING QUARAN
Viplence, hatred and anger on every single page. Please link to a site that has a single page of the Quaran that does not say something a non-believer would find offensive.
The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
"So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah ... Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve."
So fight for Allah. Allah will always rig the battle so that Muslims will defeat non-Muslims. 4:84
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107
Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125
The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8
Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
Never help disbelievers. 28:86
Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1
Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26
Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60
Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24
Violence, bigotry, and hatred are is the Message of the Quaran. How you cherry pick your way around that is a complete mystery.
Cognostic,
"Seriously? I just gave you examples. Now you are just being a DICK. You do not understand your own teachings."
Good points. The Islamic teachings are more direct than the biblical teachings but the biblical teachings express those same ideas almost point for point. They might be harder to find but they are there.
That is because they are hidden under larger amounts of sugar and honey...
rmfr
arakish,
"That is because they are hidden under larger amounts of sugar and honey..."
In actuality there are very few "good" parts of the Bible. Almost all of the Old Testament is evil. There's only a few paragraphs in the New Testament that can be rated as "good".
@Searching for truth
Twelve years ago I lived next door to an Imam. He was a wonderful and gentle man, and his wife and child were also truly nice. But what I was witnessing was one end of an extreme. Just like christians, they run from one end of extreme to another. There are christians who would not harm anything, and others who live at the far end of extreme fundamentalism and violence.
My point is (and it is just my opinion) that under the large umbrella of christianity or Islam, or any other religion, there exist extremes. You are a subset of a subset of a larger group. Just like religion or polotics, or gay rights or atheism, there are extremes but all of them fall under the same umbrella.
Own your religion, and own all that happens under the name of Islam. I am sure you disagree with their viewpoints and actions, but they took their beliefs from the very same book you do.
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