Atheism is a RELIGION
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Now you are saying we are mentality ill because we just say we won't accept the existence of sky fairy without evidence? And stop adding your own delusions on the meaning of words.
YOU ARE JUST WEIRD - THERE IS NO CONNECTION HERE. SERIOUSLY, ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE IS IT?
"Atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."
The conclusion does not follow from the facts. = non sequitur fallacy.
>>>Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.<<<
Bananas grow on trees, therefore, all theists are assholes.
@ matheist
I can. By simply stating that you have already defined yourself with #1 and #2 in your post.
Today's education system fucking sucks. Today's teachers and ain't a god damned thing and yunguns ain't learning any god damned thing.
rmfr
I've no idea what you mean by "official" definition? However dictionary definition(s), are based on common usage, which is why words ofetnn have secondary meanings that can be nuanced, and also words can evolve and change meanings over time.
Matheist "atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."
Correct, this is the common usage of the word, and thus the primary dictionary defintion of it.
>>>Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.<<<"
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, again I can only hope that you are trolling. A lack of belief does not ASSERT anything, that is axiomatic.
Matheist "Who can make counterargument?"
The dictionary for a start. Atheism is defined as the lack or absence of belief in a deity or deities, thus it makes no assertions, and cannot by definition be a belief, or therefore a religion. Again one would have to be an illiterate moron to think atheism and religion are even remotely similar, let alone the same, and again I can only hope you're trolling. A religion can be atheistic, that is to say a religion need not involve the belief in a deity, but nor believing in any deity is not a religion itself, that''s asinine.
I'm referring to the official definition of Atheism, and it's validity.
Can you make the counterargument on that issue?
You clearly didn't read the above responses, and are now just regurgitating the same bullshit non-sequitur over and over again ad nauseam. *FACEPALM* You're losing the argument, aren't you?
Whilst you're assessment is precisely correct, he's long gone. He's been banned, and not a moment too soon.
He was also clearly trolling, or too stupid to bother with.
I suspect both, but leaning toward the former. The low point was where he used semantics over the words and & or to claim atheism is a belief in multiple deities, in the same post he quoted the dictionary definition stating the opposite.
What a clown...
Atheism.
Noun
The lack or absence of belief in the existence of a deity or deities.
Seeemples...
va·lid·i·tyDictionary result for validity
/vəˈlidədē/Submit
noun
the quality of being logically or factually sound; soundness or cogency.
Atheists are people who do not believe in god or gods. It is validated by its very definition.
A counter argument to what? You have not said anything.
It is not according to Richard Dawkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-WduYb4HSw
I believe in his argument on Atheism more than your blind claim or opinion.
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So you are putting all of us in the seventh category? And so what? We still don't have the burden of proof and as i already said, you can't hate something that doesn't exist.
Please define religion, you are suspiciously avoiding to do that.
not choosing, IS A CHOICE
1. Allah is ENERGY
2. Energy make certain the LordLaw of Cause & Effect
Therefore, how can you claim to have no burden of proof when everything in this whole universe has its causes and effect? Everything has it consequences, and there is no room for coincidence. Everything has its LordLaw.
So how could that be possible?
Can you prove your belief and way of life are consistent with LordLaw of Nature?
ie. Nature's God?
1-Define energy.
2-Prove Allah exist and that the "energy" you are talking is him.
3-YOU are making a claim, you are asserting that Allah exist, i am just skeptical.
4- You do not know if everything has a cause, you can't just affirm it is god because you are then doing a special pleading.
5-LordLaw of Nature?
Already did:
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy?page=2#co...
The conclusion:
1. We both agree Energy exist.
2. We both agree everything is Energy.
3. The only issue from your argument is: "it is wrong to pronounce an "orange" (~ Energy) as "narandžasta (~ Allah)""
Can you see?
The only issue is a bigotry issue.
Bigotry = ByGod = Religion
I'm an animist and have no such issue.
He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)
If you want to call me bigot, please suit yourself.
Aww, were we just Islamophobic™ towards you by challenging your beloved sacred-cows? We're so, so sorry. Go ahead and call over those little friends of yours on the Regressive Left to come and shut down this debate.
You agree with Dawkinsl "The probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low. And he rates himself as a 6.9." What's your point?
You really need to learn to express yourself clearly. What's "Not" according to Richard Dawkins?
If I were to use the Dawkin's Scale, my rate would be 6.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999991.
So the fuck what? I am first to state the possibility of a deity existing. However, the probability is so low, you may as well call it 0%.
rmfr
It's Dawkins not Dawkin, and he was offering a personal opinion on how sure he was a deity doesn't exist, not redefining the dictionary definition of atheism.
You are either very confused or trolling, and I am vacillating on which it is.
That's not the point...
The point is his argument (Dawkin's Scale) support and consistent with the argument of this thread.
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Atheism is a RELIGION
The official definition of Atheism
atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Conclusion
1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.
2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-WduYb4HSw
3. The claim for disbelief in God
4. The claim for without belief in God
(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)
* There are 320,000,000 Gods
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Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
Atheism is a Religion (Hasty Generalization).
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All Dawkins did was classify groups of atheists, the same thing I did. You keep repeating your inane bullshit. Try to say it a different way. The only hasty generalization being made is that Atheism is a religion. WTF are you on about. YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
Matheism "The point is his argument (Dawkin's Scale) support and consistent with the argument of this thread....Atheism is a Religion"
Dawkins scale was his personal opinion about how sure he is that a deity doesn't exist. It doesn't change the definition of atheism. It's beyond moronic to claim atheism is a religion, as they are the antithesis of each other, atheism is the lack or absence of belief in a deity or deities, whereas religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
@ Everyone Else
Warning: Y'awl watch out, the tree is stomping through.
@ matheist
I have found in my many decades of life that no person is capable of writing/speaking anything of substance without offending someone somewhere sometime. I have become much like Christopher Hitchens. I may not purposefully attempt to offend anyone, but if I do, I do not care. If you find something offensive, the problem is yours, not mine. I have also adapted Stephen Fry’s outlook, “You’re offended? So the fuck what?” Arakish — “Only YOU have the power to give any word, phrase, sentence, number, anything the power to offend YOU.”
If I happen to write down my feelings and opinions and any offend you, "So the Fuck what?" Remember: You are the one who came here.
Here are MY official definitions since ANY LANGUAGE is not your first mental priority. Many here may agree with my official definitions, but not all may.
An official definition of what you are:
And the official definition of what you are failing miserably at wanting to be:
An official explanation of what has been done to you in the two threads you started:
An official list of how one can spot a Religious Absolutist and they only need match just ONE:
Some of the official points needed to prove religion is Pure Evil.
An official explanation of “The Burden of Proof” I have synthesized from a few sources.
For a primer (and web portal) about the Scientific Method, use this Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method. See the sections of “See also,” “Notes,” “References,” “Further reading,” “Bibliography,” and/or “External links.”
An official list of what you Religious Absolutist have already done:
An official list of what you Religious Absolutists would still be doing if us secularists did get laws passed:
And an official statement I have made about Islam:
And a closing statement on Islam. Islam is nothing more than a pathetic excuse for a bunch of man-bullies to show their superiority because they are actually whiney-ass cowardly pussies.
rmfr
EDIT: had to fix a list
Nice!
I got a simple argument for all that, it is ETHICALISM in a political society.
ie. Forced Justice (LIE, delusional)
vs. Natural Justice (Truth, fact)
+ Hasty Generalization (Religion)
Therefore: Atheism is a religion, with 320,000,000 Gods.
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Quran :
He made all gods same god. (38:5)
All truth is the same truth.
لا إله إلا الله
لا إله (No God/Matter)
إلا الله (Only Energy)
"No God" means there is no god higher than TRUTH (Nature's God / Ecological Order).
and there is NO RELIGION.
@ matheist the delusional
Remember forum rule number 9.
rmfr
Matheism "Atheism is a religion"
Atheism is defined as the lack or absence of belief in a deity or deities, whereas religion is defined as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. So it's beyond moronic to claim atheism is a religion, as they are the antithesis of each other.
Not believing in, or worshipping "a superhuman controlling power" is the opposite of religion. Since I don't believe in or worship a superhuman controlling poser, I mean power, I am not religious by definition of religion.
To say someone is religious you should be using the definition of religion, not the definition of Atheist. I hope that helps.
@Cognostic All Dawkins did was classify groups of atheists, the same thing I did. You keep repeating your inane bullshit. Try to say it a different way.
This is how he classifies it:
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4. Pure Agnostic
God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
equiprobable: (of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having EQUAL PROBABILITY.
Therefore:
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
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5. Weak Atheist
I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
skeptical
1. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations.
2. relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.
Therefore:
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
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6. De-facto Atheist
I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.
improbable
1. not likely to be true or to happen.
synonyms: unlikely, not likely, doubtful, dubious, debatable, questionable, uncertain;
More: unexpected and apparently inauthentic.
Therefore:
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
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Conclusion: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods.
Atheism is defined as the lack or absence of belief in a deity or deities, whereas religion is defined as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. So it's beyond moronic to claim atheism is a religion, as they are the antithesis of each other.
No amount of repetition will make your claim less absurd.
Dawkins was offering an opinion on how sure he was that a deity doesn't exist, he was not redefining atheism. You're lying to try and redefine atheism, and again the only salient question is why, what exactly do you hope to achieve by lying to atheists about what atheism and religion mean, as if we don't already know how these words are defined? Unless enjoy embarrassing yourself.
Now, what objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity exists?
@Sheldon You're lying to try and redefine atheism
That is Logic.
Logic is a method of reasoning that involves a series of statements, each of which must be true if the statement before it is true.
Therefore, the claim that Atheism is not a religion is FALSE. It is a religion as all other religions, different brands but same manufacturer; The Metaphysics of Atheism.
@Sheldon what objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity exists
Consequence is NO COINCIDENCE.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/allah-energy
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