The official definition of Atheism
atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Conclusion
1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.
2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-WduYb4HSw
3. The claim for disbelief in God
4. The claim for without belief in God
(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)
* There are 320,000,000 Gods
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Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
Atheism is a Religion (Hasty Generalization).
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@ Matheist
Read that back to yourself s l o w l y and explain to me how a negative is a claim?
You say there is a god or gods, I say "I do not believe you"
How the blue fuck is that a claim, or a religion?
We have had some mumblechumps on this forum recently but I reckon a performing seal will make more sense than you, chum.
It is in your official definition.
Metheist "It is in your official definition."
I thin you mean dictionary definition, which defines it's most common usage. So your command of English must be very poor if you think atheism is a religion. As atheism is defined as the absence or lack of a belief in a deity or deities, whereas religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. You'd have to be an illiterate moron to not see they are almost the antithesis of each other.
I suspect you must be trolling, as least I do hope you are.
@Matheist More argument by assertion.
I have a lack belief in zero gods.
I am an atheist, I do not bend my knee to anything, I do not pray, or preach, or ask for special favors, I do not gather on Sundays and I do not pay tithe to any organization.
That is because I lack belief in any god.
If I had some belief in something supernatural, then that would be religion. But I lack belief.
Atheism is more than without belief in God.
@ Matheist
You just quoted the official definition...now you are saying it is more than that?
Whatever you are taking, keep it away from rational people.
No it is not. Atheism is just one thing, a lack of belief.
@Matheist: I'm probably talking way over your head here.
"Atheism is more than without belief in God." Yes. There is implicit atheism and explicit atheism. According to theism, all non-believers are atheists. Without a belief in god or gods. You are born an atheist according to your faith. You are born a sinner, separated from god, into this world. Everyone who is not religious is an atheist according to religious dogma. Buddhists are atheists. Hindus are atheists with regard to your god and more.
So if we use "SET THEORY" We draw a big circle on a piece of paper and we say "Inside this circle are all atheists. Anyone who does not believe in my faith.
Next, we draw a circle about half that size inside the big circle. These are the explicit atheists. This circle is only about 20% the size of the big circle. In this circle are people who admit to being Atheist. They do not believe in God or gods.
Now if you take the 20% circle and you draw a much smaller circle, about 10 or 20% of the circle you just drew, you have Atheists who make the assertion that no gods exist. This tends to be a fairly small group; however, depending on the God you claim exists many well read atheists can fluctuate between the "God does not exist" and " I don't believe in God or gods" camp.
Some gods really do not exist. They are self contradictory. For example, calling the God of the bible a loving god is probably the stupidest comment any human being could make. He is a butcher of humanity. He takes joy in killing small children and ripping open the stomachs of pregnant women to toss their unborn babies onto rocks. The god of the Bible is a monster. You can not justify calling him loving in any sense of the word and still maintain he is the God of the Bible. That is why modern apologists never defend the God of the Bible. They always defend some "first cause" god that is beyond time and space, and other such nonsense.
Anyway, Atheism is bigger than you think it is because "All non-believers" implicit and explicit are Atheists.
Tue, 03/05/2019 - 04:23
Matheist
"The official definition of Atheism
atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."
Tue, 03/05/2019 - 04:51
Matheist
"Atheism is more than without belief in God."
Oh dear, you're embarrassing yourself here, the question is why?
Actually, no...it isn't. Let's analyze the word, and look at the evidence for my positive assertion that your statement is incorrect, shall we?
Atheism (Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.)
A - Without
Theism - Belief in the existence of a god or gods
The same as Atypical (Not representative of a type, group, or class.)
A - Withoug
Typical - Having the distinctive qualities of a particular type of person or thing.
Or Asexual (Without sexual feelings or associations.)
A - Without
Sexual - Relating to the instincts, physiological processes, and activities connected with physical attraction or intimate physical contact between individuals.
So...etymologically it breaks down like this:
"A" from the Greek "A" meaning "Without". "Theism", from the Greek "Theos" meaning "God".
Greek "Atheos" to the French "Athéisme" to the late 16th century English "Atheism".
Without God.
Now, notice in the dictionary definition it says "Disbelief or LACK OF BELIEF" and let's talk about the word "disbelief".
Here's the dictionary definition, complete with synonyms and usage:
dis·be·lief
/ˌdisbəˈlēf/
noun
inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.
"Laura shook her head in disbelief"
synonyms: incredulity, incredulousness, lack of belief, lack of credence, lack of conviction, scepticism, doubt, doubtfulness, dubiety, dubiousness, questioning, cynicism, suspicion, distrust, mistrust, wariness, chariness
lack of faith.
"I'll burn in hell for disbelief"
synonyms: atheism, unbelief, godlessness, ungodliness, impiety, irreligion, agnosticism, nihilism
"I'll burn in hell for disbelief"
Note that neither of those definitions say "believing something is false".
NOW...
Since you've made a positive assertion that Atheism is "religion", please provide all of the evidence which supports that assertion.
I'll be waiting for anything you can come up with.
Wait a minute... you literally said in the OP that atheism is the lack of belief in deities- but now you're saying it's more than that? Those can't both be correct. Make up your mind...
Prove it.
The official definition of Atheism
atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
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Where does it say about science, logic, philosophy, and rationality etc.?
Why would the definition of atheism need to include methods of reasoning people use to arrive at that position of non-belief? You're not making any sense at all, even for a theist.
@ Matheist
It doesn't, because that has nothing to do with a lack of belief in a god or gods.
Conclusion
1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.
It is rooted in ANTI-Theism, i.e. hatred.
@Matheist
"It is rooted in ANTI-Theism, i.e. hatred."
Now you are injecting a new word into the conversation. The word we are describing is atheism, which is not anti, but just a lack of belief.
Your argument is like religion. Makes no sense and argues with the facts. Atheists do not worship anyone or anything. It is life without religion. People like you keep pulling shit out their ass because we won’t conform to your rules or religion. Science,logic, and critical thinking exposes religion for the con that it really is.
My argument from the official definition of Atheism
atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Yes that’s all it is. Not religion! I don’t believe in trolls either! That doesn’t make that a religion!
@ Matheist
And now you introduce a new term and get the definition wrong...the stupid is strong in this one Obi Wan....
Atheism isn't a claim, you even posted the dictionary definition above, so why you'd assert such nonsense is still unclear. It is not rooted in anti-theism at all, and ant-theism is not defined as hatred either, but as opposition to belief in the existence of a god or gods. You are talking complete unadulterated nonsense.
Oh really? It's "hatred" to dare to suggest that religion is a negative influence? And also, "atheism" is a lack of belief. Antitheism is an attitude towards religious belief. They're on 2 completely different axes- whatever you want them to mean.
The definition says "disbelief in God"... period.
It is "ANTI".
anti
/ˈanti/
noun
1. a person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea.
It is Hasty Generalization (religious), and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy, truth etc.
@Matheist
"The definition says "disbelief in God"... period.
It is "ANTI". "
Try to comprehend this: a lack of belief is not anti.
Atheism and anti-theism are not synonyms. Anti-theism presupposes the existence of god(s), atheism does not
@Talyyn Correction: Neither do. You're confusing antitheism with misotheism.
@Rohan M.
Thanks you're right.
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