Atheism is a RELIGION

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Tue, 03/05/2019 - 19:43

(Reply to #31) #32

Cognostic

Do you mean "Anti-theism

Do you mean "Anti-theism presupposes THE NON-EXISTENCE of God(s). Atheism does not.

Wed, 03/06/2019 - 05:03

(Reply to #32) #33

arakish

Talyyn: "Anti-theism

Talyyn: "Anti-theism presupposes the existence of god(s)"

Anti-theism does not presuppose the existence of any deities, anti-theism means against belief in any deity. Very similar to atheism being a lack of or disbelief.

anti- = against
theism = belief in any deity

rmfr

EDIT: Sorry, I did not read the other replies before replying myself. Sorry for grinding the stone...

Wed, 03/06/2019 - 06:11

(Reply to #33) #34

toto974

@arakish

No problems. Rohan. M corrected me. But yeah we should not confuse "a", "anti" and "miso".

Like misogyny.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 05:45

#35

Matheist

The word is "OR"

"disbelief or lack of belief"

Therefore:

The doctrine of anti-theism (disbelief) overlap with the doctrine of "lack of belief"

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 05:59

(Reply to #35) #36

David Killens

No, it does not. The only

No, it does not. The only overlap exists in your confused thinking.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 08:25

(Reply to #36) #37

Sheldon

"The word is "OR"

"disbelief or lack of belief"

Therefore:

The doctrine of anti-theism (disbelief) overlap with the doctrine of "lack of belief""

Anti-theism is not a doctrine, and it's not defined as disbelief, it is defined as opposition to belief in the existence of a god or gods. You're either illiterate or trolling.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 19:50

(Reply to #37) #38

Cognostic

We already established that.

We already established that. Anti-theism is a subset of Atheism. Atheism is a subset of simple Non-belief. There are people all over the world who have not heard of the God or gods you believe in. Religious organizations assert that you are born into sin. You are born without knowledge of god. You are born separated from god. You are born a non-believer and therefor in a state of sin. Original Sin. You are an atheist according to theistic dogma. You are not a "self identified" atheist. The self identified Atheist is therefore a sub category of all non-believers.

SO WHAT? All you are doing is pointing out categories of atheists. THERE IS NO DOCTRINE OF NON-BELIEF.

Doctrine: a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group.

Please list three beliefs Atheists share. I will give you the first one.
1. Atheists believe theists have not met their burden of proof.
2.
3.

You can not come up with 2 more.

Tue, 03/12/2019 - 10:40

(Reply to #38) #39

Rohan M.

Redefining words again. Your

Redefining words again. Your comment indicates that you hadn't bothered to read our responses to your previous assertion.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 05:58

#40

toto974

Your attempt as confusing

Your attempt as confusing these two words is just to strawman atheism.

Disbelief... You can't hate something you lack the evidence for its existence.

What is the difference between OR and AND?.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 06:02

(Reply to #40) #41

Matheist

An atheist is either

>>What is the difference between OR and AND?.

An atheist is either

1. Anti-Theism,

2. Without belief in God

BUT

not both. (AND)

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 06:05

(Reply to #41) #42

toto974

So there is no overlap.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 06:26

(Reply to #42) #43

Matheist

Both refers to Atheism.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:28

(Reply to #43) #44

toto974

Just no.

Tue, 03/12/2019 - 10:41

(Reply to #44) #45

Rohan M.

*throws dictionary at

*throws dictionary at Matheist*

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:05

(Reply to #45) #46

arakish

@ matheist

And you definitely fit item number 6.

The Eleven Razors:

Sagan's Razor: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Hitchens's Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE. Or, if there is no evidence for "it," then "it" does not exist.
Xenoview's Razor: Objective claims requires objective evidence.
Randomhero1982's Razor: If it's not evidenced, it's bollocks.
Cognostic's Razor: Any dweeb can make an assertion.
LogicFTW's Razor: You MUST first prove your religion/claim is not a con.
CyberLN's Razor: A nice vinaigrette dressing must be served with any word salad.
Nyarlathotep's Razor: Homines quod muta (People is dumb).
Philip K. Dick's Razor: Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
Tin-Man's Butter Knife: Any ridiculous nonsense presented will be countered with opposing ridiculous nonsense of an equal or greater amount.

Cognostic's Shovel: When someone starts slinging bullshit at you, get a shovel and sling it back.

And you still do not know the difference between an OR and an AND.

An atheist is either; 1. Anti-Theism, OR; 2. Without belief in God; BUT not both. (AND)

Then please explain how I am an Atheist AND Agnostic AND Anti-Theist AND Anti-Religion.

With your lack of education you have so far demonstrated, I seriously doubt you could.

rmfr

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 09:04

(Reply to #46) #47

Sheldon

Matheist

An atheist is either

1. Anti-Theism,

2. Without belief in God

BUT

not both. (AND)
-----------------------------------------

You're talking complete nonsense, an atheist can also be an anti-theist, as the two are not mutually exclusive. Nor are they synonymous. One can be either, or both, or neither.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 19:52

(Reply to #47) #48

Cognostic

You are WRONG - Both

You are WRONG - Both Atheists and Anti-theists do not believe in God or God's. Anti-theism is a subset of Atheism. Both are without belief in God.

Tue, 03/12/2019 - 10:49

(Reply to #48) #49

Cognostic

NO! YES BOTH - And

NO! YES BOTH - And
Both are in the set of Atheism Read the previous posts, I just covered this. Atheist means NON-BELIEVER. That's it. Nothing more. Anyone and everyone who is a non-believer, for whatever reason under the sun, IS AN ATHEIST.

According to Christian theology all babies are born Atheists. "Without knowledge of and separated from God. Babies are born into a state of "Original Sin." Go back and read the other posts.

Tue, 03/12/2019 - 11:22

(Reply to #49) #50

Sheldon

"An atheist is either

Matheist "An atheist is either

1. Anti-Theism,

2. Without belief in God

BUT

not both."

This moron was priceless, and all atheists by definition are without belief in god, and any atheist can also be an anti-theist. So yes of course anyone can be both an atheist and an anti-theist.

Christ on a bike, but Matheist is dumb...

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 06:00

#51

Matheist

The definition of "ANTI"

anti
/ˈanti/

noun
1. a person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea.

It is not my saying.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:08

(Reply to #51) #52

arakish

@ matheist

The definition of "ANTI"

anti
/ˈanti/

noun
1. a person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea.

It is not my saying.

And you still fit item number 6 in the Eleven Razors.

"anti-" = against. Nothing more. Not that definition you made up just like your allah is a fictional sky faerie.

rmfr

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:27

(Reply to #52) #53

Cognostic

What does "Anti" have to do

What does "Anti" have to do with "Atheist?" Some Atheists are anti-religious. Are you confusing concepts again? There are a whole lot of atheists that have a live and let live mentality. They think religion does no harm. "Go ahead and let people believe what they want to believe." There are atheists that are anti-religion. "Religions are institutions that do more harm than good." Richard Dawkins is Anti-religious. Neil DeGrass Tyson is Atheist but has a live and let live mentality. Anti-religious is not Atheist.

Must we return to SET THEORY - Atheism is the set of all people who do not believe in your god. That's it. Nothing more. Any other beliefs they hold are NOT ATHEISM.

I am happy to be Anti-theist once a person describes their god. I am happy to be anti-religious as I see no good coming from organized religious businesses that could not be accomplished more effectively and more honestly by secular means.

Why is it so confusing to you..... "Atheism is a response to secular claims." Nothing more.

Tue, 03/12/2019 - 11:25

(Reply to #53) #54

Sheldon

Matheist "The definition of

Matheist "The definition of "ANTI"

anti
/ˈanti/

noun
1. a person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea.

It is not my saying."

One can both lack a belief, and be opposed to that belief, again Matheist was a special kind of dumb.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 06:35

#55

CyberLN

Ok, Matheist, I don’t believe

Ok, Matheist, I don’t believe in your god or anyone else’s god. Call me whatever you like.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 06:49

#56

Matheist

That is religious.

Tue, 03/12/2019 - 10:44

(Reply to #56) #57

Rohan M.

@Matheist Then is saying "I

@Matheist Then is saying "I don't collect stamps" indicative of the "non-stamp collector" hobby? LMAO

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:00

#58

arakish

@ matheist

Then you have no understanding of knowledge.

rmfr

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:05

(Reply to #58) #59

Old man shouts ...

@ arakish

*ducks to avoid waving bough* Mate, you shoulda stopped after "understanding"

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:01

#60

Cognostic

How do you get from

How do you get from "Disbelief in God" to "A religion."

re·li·gionDictionary result for religion: 1, the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. 2. a particular system of faith and worship. 3. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

1. What is a religious claim not rooted in science or logic?. Atheism makes no claims. You understand that the term "Atheist" is used by the church to describe all nonbelievers. You, according to the church, are born atheist. Non-believing, in sin, and separated from god. How is that even close to a religion or any sort of claim.

2. ??? Not sure why you put that here. It has nothing to do with your main point.

3. Disbelief in god is not a claim. It is the simple rejection of a claim. The theist claim is rejected based on false assertions, lies, fallacies of logic, emotional appeals and lack of evidence.

4. How do you know everything has a cause and effect? You know of course that if you could prove this assertion you could probably win a Nobel Prize. In addition to not understanding causal relationships you seem to have a great deal of confusion simply expressing yourself in English. You simply throw random words together as if you think there is some meaning in them,

ENGLISH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE
"The claim for without belief in God
(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)" "Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods"

In what universe would any of this blithering babble make any sense?

Your post is unclear and it appears you are confused about atheism as well as religion. Hang around and there are many here who can help you along so you can avoid sounding ignorant.

Tue, 03/05/2019 - 07:33

#61

Matheist

The problem with dogma and

The problem with the official definition of Atheism:

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

>>>Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.<<<

It is :

1. delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (nature) or rational argument (logic), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

2. Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

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