Being from Non-being ?

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Sheldon's picture
"The proof of God is the

"The proof of God is the impossibility of the contrary!! without God we wouldn't exist"

Nonsense, this is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. It no more validates the existence of a deity than it does leprechauns. It's a classic god of the gaps polemic.

spiritedone05's picture
@Sheldon are u absolutely

@Sheldon are u absolutely certain of that?

Sheldon's picture
"@Sheldon

spiritedone05

"@Sheldon

are u absolutely certain of that

Is that a question? Is your shift key broken? What do you mean by absolutely certain?

You used a known common logical fallacy called argumentum ad ignorantiam, it's a god of the gaps polemic, I'm as sure of that as it epistemolligically possible to be. I'm also aware that it renders your unevidenced assumption irrational, by definition. I'm also aware of what that means.

Do you understand any of that rationale? Or are you so closed minded in your beliefs you don't care, and won't bother to learn what it means?

spiritedone05's picture
"@Sheldon

"@Sheldon

make up all these fancy fuzzy wuzzy terms as much as u like, is it true i'm using a logical fallacy?

Sheldon's picture
12/16/2019 - 09:28 Sheldon

12/16/2019 - 09:28 Sheldon "You used a known common logical fallacy called argumentum ad ignorantiam"

12/16/2019 - 18:20 spiritedone05 "is it true i'm using a logical fallacy?"

Even by the usual trolling standards, that's a particularly stupid question.

spiritedone05 "make up all these fancy fuzzy wuzzy terms as much as u like"

Which words are tripping you up there, Bullwinkle? You do know you can Google them right? Dear oh dear...I think this exchange might be referenced in the thread about religiosity and IQ.

Cognostic's picture
@spiritedone05: I am

@spiritedone05: I am absolutely certain you can offer no evidence for your God thing and doubly certain you can provide no reasonable evidence for its existence.

Take your presupposition crap and shove it.

Algebe's picture
Homo sapiens existed for

@spiritedone05:

Homo sapiens existed for around 200 millennia without anyone ever mentioning your god. Doesn't it strike you as odd that Jehovah/Jesus is such a recent invention? Aren't you a little bit puzzled that your god has so little in common with the cruel, bad-tempered, highly localized tribal deity dreamed up by a backward tribe of bronze age goat-herders in the Middle East?

Your god seems to have adapted to survive in the cultural environment of each era. Why it's almost like deistic Darwinian evolution.

spiritedone05's picture
are u absolutely certain of

are u absolutely certain of that?

Sheldon's picture
Another troll, repeating the

Another troll, repeating the same facile sentence over and over with no attempt made to acknowledge the criticisms of their fallacious unevidenced assertion.

Same old tired and dishonest apologetics.

LostLocke's picture
The proof of Odin is the

The proof of Odin is the impossibility of the contrary! Without Odin lightning wouldn't exist.

The proof of Erebus is the impossibility of the contrary! Without Erebus darkness wouldn't exist.

This is fun, I could do this all day!

watchman's picture
@ spiritedone05 …..

@ spiritedone05 …..

And that is clearly a falsehood as here we are...…… and where is this god you postulate..... does he/she or it have a name …?

LostLocke's picture
With an avatar of a dove I'll

With an avatar of a dove I'll assume he (she) is a Christian. So yea, their god does have a name. Jehovah.
Why they refuse to use it and simply call him "God" is beyond me. I think it's just a pompous way of not having to acknowledge that other people believe in other gods.

Mutorc S'yriah's picture
@ spiritedone05

@ spiritedone05
The proof of God is the impossibility of the contrary!! without God we wouldn't exist.

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How does that qualify as a proof? It's just a bald statement or unsupported assertion.
Let me do the same . . .

The proof that I can fly like a bird is that the platypus exists, because I am defined as a flying,
platypus creating being. I have proof of my flying and platypus creating ability, because
the contrary is impossible. If platypuses exist then I have those powers.

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Mutorc

Cognostic's picture
Hey! I don't like this non

Hey! I don't like this non-existent spirit shit. I can't see my own body, food just falls to the floor when I eat it, I can't seem to stay in one place without floating away and lotion will not stick to me when I watch porn. This Sucks!

spiritedone05's picture
I will give answers 2 all

I will give answers 2 all your questions, how du aim questions @ people on here?

spiritedone05's picture
@ LostLocke

@ LostLocke

jahovah just means lord its part and parcel

Sheldon's picture
@spiritedone05

@spiritedone05

What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?

Or are the cliched appeals to ignorance fallacies all we can expect yet again? Multiple posters have explained why your original claim was fallacious, and therefore irrational.

NB nothing that contains a known logical fallacy an be asserted as rational. Your claim was based an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, thus your claim by definition is irrational.

Do you understand what that means, do you even care?

If not then rational discourse with you is impossible.

spiritedone05's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

look around you, the unity of the universe, the codification of physical things, houses don't build themselves intelligent beings build them just like an intelligent being created the universe.

Sheldon's picture
@spiritedone05 "an

@spiritedone05 "an intelligent being created the universe."

So you keep claiming,yet as usual you evade all requests for evidence, and rational argument for your claim. Whatever can that mean?

Here's a clue for you, we have objective evidence that houses are designed and built, what objective evidence can you demonstrate remotely comparable to that for any deity using magic? None is the answer clearly, else you'd have opened with it.

Cognostic's picture
@ LostLocke: "jahovah just

@ LostLocke: "jahovah just means lord its part and parcel" WRONG

"Jahovah" is mistranslated "Yahweh" It's a made up word and did not even exist "until the twelfth Century. "The derived forms Iehouah and Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century. Jehovah" was popularized in the English-speaking world by William Tyndale and other pioneer English Protestant translations such as the Geneva Bible and the King James Version."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

cranky47's picture
Wrong.

@lostlocke

Wrong.

Jehova is simply the latinisation of the Hebrew name of God, YHWH , (I AM WHO AM)--- the [ same] one god of the Abrahamic faiths .IE Judaism, christianity, Islam and Bah'hai.

Traditionally, Jews do not say or write the name of god because it is considered far too sacred.' Jehova is indeed a made up name; there are no vowels in YHWH. They are implied by context. Catholics and other mainstream christian in churches accept the name of god as . "Yahweh" . .This is a convention; there is no correct interpretation of the of god. Today in English, orthodox Jews write the name as G-D., The written Hebrew name of god is simply known as the Tetragrammaton.

As is common, the atheists on this and other atheist forums know far more about christianity ,as well as the bible than most of the apologists we get here.
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There several reasons; (1) Most of us were christians before we were atheists , (2)most of the people here are simply better educated ,than most of the apologists we get here.(3) most of us have relatively open minds. (4) as far as I cant tell, unlike theist apologists, most of the atheists here are willing to keep learning. -Theists tend to believe they have no need to learn anything because they already know THE truth (whatever they imagine that might be) (5) theists are anti science and anti intellectual, and are impervious to facts or reason. Yet they still seem surprised when they go to an atheist forum and get handed their head,.

A quote of which you may not be aware, from Martin Luther, father of the protestant reformation:

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”

― Martin Luther

Going by your inane posts so far, you are a long way out of your depth, and in danger of drowning in your own ignorance.

Bored now, can't be bothered with you.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cranky Re: "@lostlocke -

@Cranky Re: "@lostlocke - Wrong. Jehova is simply the latinisation of the Hebrew name of God, YHWH..."

Pssst... Hey, Cranky. I think you may have meant to aim that at the Spiritedone dude. Ol' Lostlocke is one of us. He didn't make that claim about Jehova... *chuckle*...

spiritedone05's picture
@ Mutorc S'yriah

@ Mutorc S'yriah

where did the universe come from?

Cognostic's picture
@spiritedone05: Why did you

@spiritedone05: Why did you make the assumption the universe came from somewhere? Why isn't it just part of a long process like everything else?

Sheldon's picture
"where did the universe come

"where did the universe come from?"

The current physical universe we observe has a point of origin that science has evidenced through a scientific theory called the big bang, we don't currently understand a great deal beyond this, as SpaceX and time as we currently understand it breaks down prior to this event?

Why do you ask?

Also what objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?

spiritedone05's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

where did the big bang come from? ill answer urs in a sec

Cognostic's picture
@spiritedone05: RE: "where

@spiritedone05: RE: "where did the big bang come from?"

It comes from the same place ignorant fucktards come from if you follow them back far enough.

Sheldon's picture
spiritedone05 @Sheldon

spiritedone05 @Sheldon "where did the big bang come from? ill answer urs in a sec"

What do you mean "come from"? These are clearly questions about science, why are you asking atheists? And no, you won't be answering any questions any time soon, that much is clear, and of course fairly typical of the theists who come here to peddle superstition, they can neither evidence nor explain.

What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?

Tin-Man's picture
@Spiritedone Re: "where did

@Spiritedone Re: "where did the universe come from?"

It came from the broiling cloud of noxious gasses that was emitted from Cog's ass when he farted after a Taco Tuesday last month. We were only recently able to clear away the stench.

Cognostic's picture
Tin: If I existed, I would

Tin: If I existed, I would reply to that. "Nothing can exist without god."

Wait a minute.... what in the fuck does that sentence mean. Nothing exists ----- without god. If nothing exists --- isn't it something? * POOF* Aw fuck! I'm back. Monkey hair and all. Whew! It was scary not really being here.

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