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God does not qualify as a hypothesis as it is not based on observation.
I didn't say hypothesis I said possibility
If something is possible, it qualifies as a hypothesis.
I agree, a god is a possibility. But using the very same logic, so are unicorns, invisible pixie fairies, and any other imaginary creature.
Do you accept that five hundred foot long fire-breathing dragons are a possibility?
@ask
I must apply xenoview's razor to your claims that a god exist. Start by giving objective evidence for a god.
@Ask...…
You previously mentioned Isiah as prophesy.....
I presume you are referencing the Cyrus verses...… but have you read this in Wiki.....
"The traditional view is that all 66 chapters of the book of Isaiah were written by one man, Isaiah, possibly in two periods between 740 BCE and c. 686 BCE, separated by approximately 15 years, and includes dramatic prophetic declarations of Cyrus the Great in the Bible, acting to restore the nation of Israel from Babylonian captivity. Another widely-held view is that parts of the first half of the book (chapters 1–39) originated with the historical prophet, interspersed with prose commentaries written in the time of King Josiah a hundred years later, and that the remainder of the book dates from immediately before and immediately after the end of the exile in Babylon, almost two centuries after the time of the historic prophet."
Now you see that.....
" the remainder of the book dates from immediately before and immediately after the end of the exile in Babylon, almost two centuries after the time of the historic prophet."
The verses were written at or after the time of Cyrus' return of the Jews.
link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah
But that's NOT the simplest explanation, the simplest explanation is that the prophecies were written before the events and inspired by God
Why do you assume that I did not write the book of Isaiah?
No. The simplest explanation is that someone copied them from a book that was already written. Copying does not require any effort at all. They have taught apes, bonobos, elephants and dolphins to copy and not one of them has ever come up with a prophecy. NONE/
I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!! Someone just explain clearly why God isn't the simplest explanation
@ Ask21771
We have, you just do not want to hear it.
Ask21771,
"Someone just explain clearly why God isn't the simplest explanation"
Which God?
https://owlcation.com/humanities/Gods-and-Goddesses-of-Classical-Greece
https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+african+gods&client=firefox-...
I already did that. Go back and read my previous post.
"Someone just explain clearly why God isn't the simplest explanation"
Because the claim has no explanatory powers, so isn't a rational explanation at all. Try this, we have objective evidence beyond any reasonable doubt of prophesy failing, even in living memory. What objective evidence comparable to that can anyone demonstrate for a single fulfilled prophesy?
Of course as I have pointed out, calling it prophesy is a begging the question fallacy on its own, as prophesy isn't required to accurately predict the outcome of random events, even against seemingly impossible odds.
The mistake here, or assumption is treating each claim as if the explanation must be the same. There are any number of rational explanations ranging from obviously fraudulent claims, to vague broad claims that have a highprobability of coming true, and everything in between. The only claim we have never seen objective evidence for is supernatural causation, ever.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ........ "The simplest answer is a magical, non-corporal, invisible, omniscient, existent being that lives in a timeless, space-less environment while it creates universes and then intervenes in that universe in magical and unmemorable ways.
Prove that any such being exists and then you will have the simplest explanation. Your explanation is only the simplest after you give evidence of its reality. Since you think it is so simple, you may as well provide us with the evidence.
No it isn't. as pointed out earlier.....that would require complete suspension of many proven laws of nature..... that is not "simple"..... that is impossible.
So you'really saying that God is the more complicated explanation because it breaks mans understanding?
No, the claim for supernatural causation is not objectively evidenced simply by not knowing how something occurred. This is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Furthermore as others have pointed out, if the claim involves the negation or suspension of objectively evidenced natural laws and scientific facts it is by definition a vastly complex claim, how was this done? The less you know about how it is done, or the less incomplete the explanation, the more assumptions you have to make and according to Occam's razor the less likely the claim is to be true.
God did it has no objective explanatory power at all, nothing. It is 100% pure assumption, and based here on not knowing how a chain of events transpired. So doubly fallacious as it is an appeal to ignorance fallacy.
NO..... because the concept of god/gods breaks the laws of nature.
We don't know all the laws of nature
Very well...…
"the concept of god/gods breaks the known laws of nature."
By the by ...while were here chatting..... what is the name/s of this deity you are postulating....
The God of the bible
Ask21771,
"The God of the bible"
So you mean Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies. That is one crazy assed deity whose favorite pasttime is killing people. Even some of the other bloodthirsty Gods have better personalities than that lunatic Yahweh has.
I just want to make sure I got this right, the reason god is the more complicated reason is because God doesn't fit our current understanding of the universe, is that it? Because if it is that's like saying oxygen doesn't exist because you can't see it
@ Asak 21771
Then answer my questions to you from earlier: then we have a basis to see your "simplicity" . Otherwise demonstrate the evidence for your rather nasty god to exist.
First of all I'm an agnostic not a Christian second of all if your so sure you're right, you provide evidence and I mean real objective uncontestable evidence
@ Ask21771
No, you made the claim and asked the question. Provide evidence and answers as requested...I will repeat them so you dont miss out...
You have avoided answering so far so now is your opportunity to prove your claim about the "simplest answer"
In answer to your second question I have given you multiple examples of interpolations, later fraudulent texts and downright forgeries in the bible with citations...what more do you want? Learn to google and learn to read.
Can you test for oxygen ? Are the results objectively verifiable? Do the years produce the same result regardless who performs them?
The scientific theories and any laws contained within them are objectively verified. They are also falsifiable, yet cannot be falsified.
All the objective empirical evidence supports them. This is where scientific consensus comes from. It's a proven rigorous method for validating claims and ideas.
By comparison pointing to an event that can't be properly evidenced, but ostensibly seems improbable, and claiming the cause defies any of that objective scientific evidence, but without being able to demonstrate any supporting evidence or offer any explanation for it, beyond the bare claim for supernatural causation...well it should speak for itself to any remotely rational or objective person.
God not fitting mans current understanding of reality is an extremely insufficient explanation for God being the more complicated explanation
Now you are getting into a very complex definition of a complex imaginary creature.
Do you see where discussing this god thing leads into complexity?
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