Deprogrammed Christian

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bigbill's picture
Sirk you were committing the

Sirk you were committing the big mistake of looking at others, you don`t mention all the good that other people in your church did, your very bias, i`m pretty sure that your whole congregation wasn`t behaving like you stated above, There is nothing wrong with dogma, it derives from doctrine, And doctrine should be scripture based. to be enmeshed in scripture is a good thing. Also you don`t specify the dogma that you were primied to. As for criminal attitudes the christian practicing basic christianity is humble and loving not as you say a controlling person.As for a persons beliefs they should be bible based, the bible should guide our actions. I don`t see where christians prey upon the weak people and vulnerable, or they are possessive towards them.By using the apologetic method we try to just clearly state what the bible states and relay that to the individual.Like 1st peter chapter 3 verse 15 states to do so in a loving matter to your fellow man.Using kindness always!!!! SO THE BRAND of interpretation that you have derived from your opinions are suspect to say the least, you come from a judgmental posture.

Sirkenstien's picture
Nope. I come from an

Nope. I come from an experienced posture. You stated you are in college. Your brain isn't even fully developed yet.

Sirkenstien's picture
"As for criminal attitudes

"As for criminal attitudes the christian practicing basic christianity is humble and loving not as you say a controlling person.As for a persons beliefs they should be bible based, the bible should guide our actions. I don`t see where christians prey upon the weak people and vulnerable, or they are possessive towards them".

Really? Whenever you speak to someone about your faith, the elephant in the room just sits there, waiting to step on your prey. Do you know what that is? Not to mention your underlying intention disguised as humility and "love". You don't love people simply for the sake of loving someone, you love them out of arrogance and pride, in the fairy tale you subscribe to.

Randomhero1982's picture
Yep, nothing wrong with

Yep, nothing wrong with scripture... The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

jonthecatholic's picture
Those Bible passages don't

Those Bible passages don't condone those actions:

Slavery in Exodus 21:1-11 - In a time when slavery was rampant and brutal, the Israelites were actually ahead of their time in condemning slavery. Setting limits to when a slave can be free, not allowing a master to kill a slave. God was actually slowly rooting out slavery.

Child Abuse in Judges? Hardly condoned. Jephthah made a vow to God which was disordered. Also Judges is a record of what happened to Israel during the time when they were very sinful. Judges doesn't recommend these actions. Judges simply records how immoral the people of God had become.

Bashing babies against rocks in Hosea and Psalms? Again, a strained interpretation to say this is recommended behavior. Hosea says nothing except that this is what will happen to Samaria. Psalms, take note, is poetry. And Psalm 137 is prayer to God which expresses human emotion. Though it includes that line, it's to be interpreted as how a frustrated follower of God expressing their frustrations.

bigbill's picture
I am through with college, I

I am through with college, I never said that, you are totally misunderstood here. deal with my polemic please.

Sirkenstien's picture
There is nothing you could

There is nothing you could say that I haven't heard before. If you came up with something you might peak my interest.

bigbill's picture
Happy thanksgiving Sirk if

Happy thanksgiving Sirk if your in the usa. tell someone about JESUS today.

Sirkenstien's picture
If it comes up I might say

If it comes up I might say that jesus probably never even existed.

bigbill's picture
well that as far as I am

well that as far as I am concerned is inaccurate statement, you really cant state that there was never really a man named Jesus CHRIST FIRST IT WAS A POPULAR NAME AMONG OUR JEWISH FRIENds and most scholars of history would conclude that there was a man called jesus who lived during the 1st century ad. What makes you claim the opposite? what is your polemic here.Offer some kind of evidence just to say that it was probably that JESUS NEVER lived at all doesn`t say anything. here. that gives no foundation no criteria to your comment.

Sirkenstien's picture
well the romans were pretty

well the romans were pretty good at keeping records. Why didn't they mention a man named jesus that was raising people from the dead and healing disease? The only proof you have is your bible. No outside source. No archeology....nothing to prove that this man ever lived.

Randomhero1982's picture
They were phenomenal at it,

They were phenomenal at it, Tactius (born 56AD) was the first to mention Jesus Christ, about how he was crucified in one page of his entire Annuls in 116AD.

Most theologians say "HE LIVED", most historians say "IT'S LIKELY HE LIVED".

Sirkenstien's picture
I completely reject jesus the

I completely reject jesus the holy spirit and the god of the bible. Am I going to hell to be tormented for eternity devout christian?

algebe's picture
@Sirk: "Am I going to hell to

@Sirk: "Am I going to hell to be tormented for eternity"

Nah. Hell is just a figment of the overheated sadistic imaginations of pious hypocrites.

In any case, you should be more worried about going to heaven. I hear it's full of pious hypocrites whose only pleasure is watching sinners burn in hell. Apart from that they spend eternity in heavenly choirs singing the praises of the Great Leader. North Korea is heaven on Earth.

Sirkenstien's picture
LOL. It was more of a

LOL. It was more of a rhetorical question. I don't believe in santa clause anymore.

freeatlast's picture
Devout christian, what are

Devout christian, what are you really doing here? Do you think you are going to convince us to believe in the bullshit you do? No chance, buddy, we've been there, done that. We are free of all that crap, maybe you should rather go to some christian forum and find some batshit crazy there to chat to. Unless the underlying reason you are here is because you discovered your religion is a fake, like all the others. Then we can help you along the journey of discovering meaning in life without having to resort to imaginary friends and blind faith in a book that should be eradicated from this planet.

Sirkenstien's picture
Freeatlast, all the the

Freeatlast, all the the christian lingo is so comical to me now. They all parrot the same talking points. Today I am thankful that my eyes were finally opened to that giant punk the early "christians" pulled on the world.

algebe's picture
@Devout Christian: "FIRST IT

@Devout Christian: "FIRST IT WAS A POPULAR NAME AMONG OUR JEWISH FRIENds"

"Jesus" ("Jeshua") was a popular name. In fact it was also the name of Barabbas, who was freed by Pilate according to the myth.

"Christ" is a bit more problematic. It's the Greek equivalent of "messiah," and I'm pretty sure that the Jews don't recognize Jesus as their messiah. In fact, the religion that oozed out of the Jesus legend has been responsible for the persecution of the Jews for the past two millennia.

bigbill's picture
Well not all Christians

Well not all Christians practiced anti Semitism, So it is totally wrong on your part to insinuate that they have. I know more people like jews who hate there own people fellow jews. Also I know some groups that hate jews in and out of the Christian faith and persuasion so it is not an all or nothing thing here.god bless you!!!!

Sirkenstien's picture
40k denominations and they

40k denominations and they can all argue from scripture to bolster their dogma. I'm guessing yours is the correct one?

algebe's picture
devout Christian: "Well not

devout Christian: "Well not all Christians practiced anti Semitism"

I don't think that's what I said. I said the Christian religion was responsible for persecution of the Jews, and if you study a little history, you'll see that's true. And it's not just the Catholic church. Martin Luther was also virulently anti-semitic.

bigbill's picture
Then why don`t you say some

Then why don`t you say some from Catholicism and Protestantism please don't paint everybody with one brush it was not all catholics in fact I read where catholics saved jews in Europe from the Nazis so there. Also not all our protestant friends are to be held accountable for a few. Yes martin Luther was anti-Semitic but not everyone in the Lutheran church followed him. even though he started Lutheran church.so please be a little more compassionate towards people of other persuasions. love billy

Sirkenstien's picture
you forgot westboro. The

you forgot westboro. The thing is, the crazy christians in this world are probably a lot closer to living it out than you are.

algebe's picture
"I read where catholics saved

"I read where catholics saved jews in Europe from the Nazis so there."

A few Catholics helped a few Jews. The vast majority, including the Church hierarchy, did the opposite. During the war they supported or at least tolerated Nazism/fascism. After the War the church helped to run the "ratlines" through which senior Nazis escaped to Latin America.

The fact remains that the Christian church has been the source of anti-semitism over the past two millennia, culminating in the Holocaust. That's a stain that never be wiped clean. And then there's Christianity's involvement in genocide, looting, and cultural annihilation in the Americas, and in more recent times massacres in Rwanda and the Balkans.

Christianity is worse than smallpox. It should be labeled toxic and hazardous.

Sirkenstien's picture
Yes, just imagine all those

Yes, just imagine all those good christian german civilians it took to run hitlers murder machine. The teachers and coaches and plumbers and secretaries and on and on. To think that they helped shaped the minds of population to be in agreement with and allow the reich to do what it did.

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