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@Skeptic Re: Osteen/Olsteen

@Skeptic Re: Osteen/Olsteen

...*perplexed look*... What the...?... *double checking Google*... Awwww, maaaaan.... *face palm*... Dammit! I could have sworn it was OLsteen. Geeez... Eh, fuck it. I'm leaving it that way.

Well, give my regards to your cousin, at least. Hopefully the Rolex will buy him some more time to help get things straightened out with the priest.

(Oh, and sorry I fucked up your joke.)

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This really is a joke,

@You Know

This really is a joke, showing you the evidence of evolution is a waste of time since you don't value evidence, you value faith. If you proved that evolution was science-fiction would that prove goddidit?

No, it wouldn't.

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Nyarlathotep's picture
Would be interesting to see

Would be interesting to see another graph superimposed on top of one; something to do with scientific knowledge about the world.

Cognostic's picture
A: You know!

A: You know!
B: Who?
A: You know who?
B: Who?
A: Yes.
B: What?
A: You who?
B: You who, who?
A: You know.

CyberLN's picture
I think You know drove away

I think You know drove away in his yugo.

Cognostic's picture
@You Know:

@You Know:
I think we should all help him out by answering some very basic questions.. Taken from top students at the top 10 Evangelical Seminaries in the U.S., I give you questions that make Atheists cringe.

1. Who put all the fossils there and why?

2. If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

3. How do explain sunsets and rainbows if there is no god?

4. Why are Atheists so angry at god?

5. Why do atheists believe in evolution when the second law of thermodynamics debunks it?

6. Who created the universe if not God? Chance?

7. Evolution and Creationism are both theories so why shouldn't they be taught together in science class?

8. There is no morality in the evolutionist world view, just survival of the fittest, so where does morality come from?

9. Can you believe in the Big Bang without faith?

10. Why do atheist think the earth is 13 billion years old when the Bible clearly demonstrates a 6,000 year old history?

11. Why can't God just make stuff and make it old?

12. Why do atheists choose to burn in hell? Did they just evolve that way?

Tin-Man's picture
You know you know You Know

You know you know You Know when you know what You Know will say you know before you know it. You know?

Randomhero1982's picture
1. Who put all the fossils

1. Who put all the fossils there and why?

- The predator, on his first prehistoric killing spree.

2. If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

- They are humans in fancy dress.

3. How do explain sunsets and rainbows if there is no god?

- Chinese black magic, conjured by David Lo Pan from the movie Big Trouble In Little China.

4. Why are Atheists so angry at god?

- Because he doesn't wash his hands after taking a dump, but simply high fives the next person he meets.

5. Why do atheists believe in evolution when the second law of thermodynamics debunks it?

- Because evolution is a religion but shush... it's a secret! You get a decoder ring and a special shiney sticker too.

6. Who created the universe if not God? Chance?

- Chuck Norris.

7. Evolution and Creationism are both theories so why shouldn't they be taught together in science class?

- because fairytales belong at preschool.

8. There is no morality in the evolutionist world view, just survival of the fittest, so where does morality come from?

- Chuck Norris.

9. Can you believe in the Big Bang without faith?

- Yes, Providing you have the secret decoder ring and shiney sticker.

10. Why do atheist think the earth is 13 billion years old when the Bible clearly demonstrates a 6,000 year old history?

- Because we are all shills for big-science... again, shhhhushshh it's a secret.

11. Why can't God just make stuff and make it old?

- Because hes the imaginary friend of mentally defective skidmarks.

12. Why do atheists choose to burn in hell? Did they just evolve that way?

- Because we like it warm, enjoy keeping our decoder rings... and we have chuck norris.

boomer47's picture
@cognostic

@cognostic

Gee, you really ARE ignorant! You really need to read a bible thoroughly and take council with a learned pastor. To find such you need go no further than your radio or TV.

EG ": Who put all the fossils there and why?"

That's the easiest question.The answer is really self evident. It was GOD silly. He created the world whole, as it is today, That includes all fossils. They were put there by god to confuse non believers.
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--Don't laugh too hard; I was actually told that a happy clapper. I understand that belief is actually a thing, but forget the name.

If that doesn't convince you, turn to the Bible, book of Mark. There is the touching story of how Jesus came to have a pet dinosaur (he removed a thorn from its paw)

Sadly, Jesus' dinosaur, called Bruce, (a T Rex) was murdered by the Romans . Bruce killed and ate a cohort of Roman soldiers. (he then took a nap ,and that was when he was murdered) )

QED

algebe's picture
@You Know: If there was

@You Know: If there was nothing to begin with, how can matter arise from nothing?

What's nothing?

Sheldon's picture
You Know

You Know

#1"Everything has a beginning.

#2There is only one explanation for the beginning of our existence."

A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning that renders an argument invalid. It is also called a fallacy, an informal logical fallacy, and an informal fallacy. All logicalfallacies are nonsequiturs—arguments in which a conclusion doesn't follow logically from what preceded it.

#1 - This is an unevidenced assumption, when you make assumptions in an argument about the very thing you are arguing for, this is called a begging the question fallacy, see above for definition and consequences of using a logical fallacy.

#2 - Another unevidenced assumption, again see above for definition and consequences of using a logical fallacy.

Limiting outcomes to two choices, when there might rationally be others we are unaware of is called a false dichotomy fallacy. Again see above for definition and consequences of using a logical fallacy.

"Begging the question is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. It is a type of circular reasoning: an argument that requires that the desired conclusion be true."

See above where the premises of You Know's arguments assume his conclusion rather than support it.

A false dichotomy is when the author creates an artificial sense that there are only two possible alternatives in a situation. 

The author (You Know) has repeatedly done this, and again see above for the definition and consequences of using a logical fallacy.

Not sure I can dumb it down anymore for theists, but that's why all such arguments are invalid.

I guess this is the point where they evade addressing the fallacies and attack logic. So I'll pre-empt this silly nonsense by pointing out that rational arguments are manifestly more often valid than irrational arguments, and that fallacies can be, and have been, tested to show their erroneous nature.

Example

Argumentum ad populum, or a bare appeal to numbers.

Almost everyone once believed the world was at the centre of the universe, and flat.

Almost everyone turned out be wrong and this was validated by objective empirical evidence.

See also the belief that lightning had no natural explanation, and thus must have a supernatural cause. This is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, or an appeal to or argument from ignorance fallacy.

Again objective empirical evidence showed the fallacy to be erroneous reasoning.

The last fallacy is the one most often used by theists, for everything from creationism to miracles...

Not having a natural explanation does not evidence a supernatural cause.

Cognostic's picture
@Sheldon: You have just

@Sheldon: You have just turned your heart against god. No amount of factual information will ever sway your stone cold heart that is crying out for the warming pits of fire and brimstone. Us faithful just plant the seeds, it is up to you to open your heart and allow the grace of God to raise you up.

Breggs3's picture
Hey sorry I was absent! I had

Hey sorry I was absent! I had a death in the family
Anyone believe in God yet?

Sheldon's picture
You know "Anyone believe in

You know "Anyone believe in God yet?"

Your endless cliched arguments using known logical fallacies, and your creationist propaganda rhetoric are unlikely to sway anyone. You might also read some of the responses, and do people the courtesy of addressing them, as your spiel is starting to sound like preaching, with no real interest in debate.

Tin-Man's picture
@You Know Re: "Anyone

@You Know Re: "Anyone believe in God yet?"

...*snapping fingers*... Aw, shucks! You Know, if you had been here only fifteen minutes earlier you would have caught me believing in God. But the hallucinagens I had been snorting have worn off already. Too bad, too. Because God was arm wrestling one of my garden gnomes, and the loser was gonna have to go skinny-dipping in a kiddie-pool full of piranhas and blueberry jello. I never got to see the outcome of that match, dammit. But it looked like my garden gnome was about to push over the top for the win right before my buzz faded.

Calilasseia's picture
I stand more chance of

I stand more chance of receiving a blow job from Meghan Markle than you do of seeing me treat your mythology as something other than bad fiction.

Sheldon's picture
Calilasseia

Calilasseia

I stand more chance of receiving a blow job from Meghan Markle than you do of seeing me treat your mythology as something other than bad fiction.

Well one of those is at least a possibility.

My apologies to the Dutchess and her family, I'm speaking hypothetically of course.

NewSkeptic's picture
"I stand more chance of

"I stand more chance of receiving a blow job from Meghan Markle than you do of seeing me treat your mythology as something other than bad fiction."

I speak from experience, Meghan's techniques are overrated. Now her sister-in-law, that's another story completely.

Breggs3's picture
And I drive a Wrangler not a

And I drive a Wrangler not a Yugo! Lol

Tin-Man's picture
@You Know Re: "And I drive a

@You Know Re: "And I drive a Wrangler not a Yugo!"

Uh huh... Right. Hey, no need to be ashamed, dude. You Know, you know you go in a Yugo when you go to where you know Yugo is used by those who know you know Yugo is a good way to go where you know you go. We're not stupid, You Know.

Cognostic's picture
@Tin: Now now Tin. No

@Tin: Now now Tin. No reason to get all snippy. I happen to have, in my possession, an actual picture that You Know drew for his mommy in class the other day.

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@Cog Re: Pic

@Cog Re: Pic

Hmmmm.... *skeptical look*... I don't know.... Looks photoshopped to me. I mean, NO WAY he could ever be without his helmet, much less while driving.

Cognostic's picture
@Photoshopped? *eyes wide*

@Photoshopped? *eyes wide* Whatever do you mean? *Pause of contemplation.* Well..... okay.... perhaps I did remove the dead cat from the front grill and color in the the blood stains. Okay, Okay, I erased his shotgun slinging mother from the picture as well. It would have been x-rated to post it. She was sagging topless out of the sunroof and knocking down street signs with shotgun blasts. I was trying to be kind.

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True story: (as told to me

True story: (as told to me by my mother, many years after the event) :

When I was but a cranky little boy of 4, I went to kindy.

One day, we had finger painting. The teacher noticed I seemed very absorbed.

Teacher "why Cranky, you seem very busy. What are you painting?"

Little Cranky, with great dignitas "I'm painting a picture of God"

Teacher : " but nobody knows what God looks like"

Little Cranky: "They will in a minute"

Sadly, this painting of great import has not survived the ravages of time. I think my mum chucked it out.

I think my story has far more credibility than anything I've seen posted here by any theist apologist.

Simon Moon's picture
Hey sorry I was absent! I had

Hey sorry I was absent! I had a death in the family
Anyone believe in God yet?

All I require to be convinced that a god exists, is demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, and valid and sound logic, to support the claim that a god exists.

So far, no theist has ever been able to do this.

And your list of fallacious arguments (strawmen, argument from ignorance, personal incredulity, and other fallacies) is about as far from concing as possible.

Your 'watchmaker' argument is flawed for many reasons, as already pointed out by several people here.

And your poor understanding of basic logic and science, is predictable yet sad.

boomer47's picture
"Your 'watchmaker' argument

@ Simon Moon

"Your 'watchmaker' argument is flawed for many reasons, as already pointed out by several people here."

That old saw has been around for centuries. It's the debunked teleological argument. Aka argument for intelligent design ,argument from complexity, and in recent years 'irreducible complexity" ----not a good idea to try that with an evolutionary biologist, such as Richard Dawkins.

Below link to a youtube clip debunking the teleological argument. (it is my observation that many apologists we get here have some problems with reading comprehension) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHmjHMbkOUM

Sheldon's picture
I guess this latest troll You

I guess this latest troll You (don't) Know(anything), is just preaching and peddling the usual moronic creationist propaganda and end to end logical fallacies, which he's never actually going to acknowledge, let alone debate.

WHY IS HE IN A DEBATE FORUM?

As if we didn't know...

Breggs3's picture
Okay okay

Okay okay
Let’s pick one topic and talk about it
It’s been to spread out and I can’t keep up with everyone
What shall we debate first?

Nyarlathotep's picture
I'd like to hear you address

@You know
I'd like to hear you address your claim about the 2nd law of thermodynamics; even though it might bore most of the other users :P

Calilasseia's picture
Already shredded that one.

Already shredded that one.

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