For all of you atheists out there I would just like to know, why do you not trust in god? What do you believe? My last topic did not go as well is I would have liked it to. So please do not be disrespectful becouse I am only here becouse I want to help people. If you are a cristian I encourage you to join in and maybe help reply to some of these comments :)
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"I am only here becouse I want to help people." What do you feel we need help with?
I feel like you are deprived spiritually but fail to see it. I want to help you find god. Why are you answering a question with a question anyway?
Why do we need to "find a God." What is the purpose of believing in ANYTHING that makes absolutely NO SENSE??? Just live your life as best you can, be good to people, be kind, honest, loving to your family, don't hurt anybody, ( see, didn't I just teach you what God would have...why do you need a God...aren't these common sense things you are capable of knowing yourself??) and deal with things as they come...deal with REALITY!! If you don't help yourself, there is NO magical, mystical force that is going to do a damn thing for you...unfortunately, some people spend a lifetime waiting, and hoping...life is too short and complicated as it is without having to believe in things that make absolutely no sense!!
"I am only here becouse I want to help people." I'm still waiting on the answer to my question:
Perhaps you can enlighten us concerning inconsistencies in the story of Noah’s Ark. For example, what about Egypt? They have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event. The most common date given for the flood is 4400 years ago, right in the middle of the Egyptians first burst of city and temple building, why did they not notice they were under water? The same is true for the Chinese and other cultures. How did a global Flood somehow ignore them, leaving their societies intact?
There is a lot of places where the bible is not meant to be taken literally... Where did you get that" given date" anyway?
Since 4400 years ago is considered a “common date” do a Google search of “common date given for the flood is 4400 years ago” and take your pick.
Just for grins though: Ussher chronology, the Flood was in 2348 BC + 2015 = 4363 rounded to 4400
You don’t believe in the Noah flood story? Why didn’t other civilizations know they were under water?
So you Trust google more than you do the word of god
I prefer evidence, your god's word does not hold up to evidence.
Did god plagarize? The account of the flood in the Bible is markedly similar (nearly identical) to an earlier flood story involving a character named Atrahasis. There are three stone tablets (you can view them online) that comprise a version of the story. This story is in addition to the flood story of Gilgamesh. Can you explain the reason for the similarities? Do you believe the biblical flood story to be the true story and there was no influence from the Atrahasis and Gilgamesh stories that were written before the bible’s story? You claimed to be here to help…..please explain. We prefer you use evidence to support your beliefs, not touchy feely religious rhetoric.
Defend your faith....I'm waiting...
You have access to Google just like I do. Show us evidence about the Noah story to prove the god you claim exists is not a liar.
We have plenty of areas of contention on that topic if you can quit attempting to proselytize and prove what you say you believe.
I don't trust the wqord of anyone... the only thing I trust is cold, hard evidence. The same thing that puts criminals in jail. There is no convictions on "the word of God." You need EVIDENCE!!!
As ImFree mentioned, the bible gives detailed information about the ages of Abraham's ancestors to Adam. That puts Noah's flood around 4400 years ago. Should I assume you haven't actually read Genesis?
So have you ever thought that the ages of those people were determined by a different system than our own? Perhaps one year to them was equivalent to three months to us. They may have not used the same calendar as us. Same concept as the Lord creating everything in seven days. Seven days to us may be like a billionth of a second to him. Then again time isn't really relevant to that: Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15
Sure people make stuff up all the time. Especially theists desperate to ward of the mountains of evidence that prove their world view is a bunch of lies. That is what happens when you adjust the evidence to bronze age fables and talking snakes rather than following the evidence where it leads. Just like theists go in denial mode when their six to ten thousand year fantasy is proven an allusion with radiometric dating.
Well do you disagree then? Just a question
Time is just one of many factors your going to have to dance around. Get your biblical apologist dancing shoes on and tell us how a six hundred year old man built a battleship size wooden boat by hand and then collected at least two from the millions of each species on earth, including the habitat specific dietary dependent and symbiotic ones without electricity, refrigeration, plumbing or air conditioning was able to house, feed, water, dispose the waste of and provide veterinary care for all of them without losing a single one. Thus making an entire species extinct in the process while the boat floated around during a world-wide flood to the height of mount Everest for several months. An event that went unnoticed by the Egyptians, Chinese, Australian aborigines and every coexisting society at the time. Moreover, that plant life on earth survived the crushing pressure, darkness and salinity of eight kilometers of water overhead before the water magically receded and the animal species on the ark managed to disembark and traverse the planet to their present locations from the deserts of the middle-east which according to some included dinosaurs. Please address these topics.
That is the mirical that god has given. God created the animals so if he wants them to survive in a boat without all that stuff then they will. Hebrews 13:5 Let your character or moral disposition be free from love of money [including greed, avarice, lust, and craving for earthly possessions] and be satisfied with your present [circumstances and with what you have]; for He [God] Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you nor give you up nor leave you without support. [I will] not, [I will] not, [I will] not in any degree leave you helpless nor forsake nor let [you] down ( relax My hold on you)! [ Assuredly not!]." I hope that helps
Most would say that the flood covered all the earth, but in Hebrew, the word for "earth" can mean locality as well. So bacicly it may have not been worldwide as WE know it
This has to be one of the lamest apologetic excuses yet...
Have you read the bible at all??
Genesis 7 - Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
17 And the deluge is forty days on the earth, and the waters multiply, and lift up the ark, and it is raised up from off the earth;
18 and the waters are mighty, and multiply exceedingly upon the earth; and the ark goeth on the face of the waters.
19 And the waters have been very very mighty on the earth, and c̲o̲v̲e̲r̲e̲d̲ a̲r̲e̲ a̲l̲l̲ t̲h̲e̲ h̲i̲g̲h̲ m̲o̲u̲n̲t̲a̲i̲n̲s̲ w̲h̲i̲c̲h̲ [̲a̲r̲e̲]̲ u̲n̲d̲e̲r̲ t̲h̲e̲ w̲h̲o̲l̲e̲ h̲e̲a̲v̲e̲n̲s̲;
20 fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and t̲h̲e̲ m̲o̲u̲n̲t̲a̲i̲n̲s̲ ̲a̲r̲e̲ c̲o̲v̲e̲r̲e̲d̲;
21 and expire doth all flesh that is moving on the earth, among fowl, and among cattle, and among beasts, and among all the teeming things which are teeming on the earth, and a̲l̲l̲ m̲a̲n̲k̲i̲n̲d̲;
22 all in whose nostrils [is] breath of a living spirit -- of a̲l̲l̲ t̲h̲a̲t̲ [̲i̲s̲]̲ i̲n̲ t̲h̲e̲ d̲r̲y̲ l̲a̲n̲d̲ -- h̲a̲v̲e̲ d̲i̲e̲d̲.
23 And w̲i̲p̲e̲d̲ a̲w̲a̲y̲ i̲s̲ a̲l̲l̲ t̲h̲e̲ s̲u̲b̲s̲t̲a̲n̲c̲e̲ t̲h̲a̲t̲ i̲s̲ o̲n̲ t̲h̲e̲ f̲a̲c̲e̲ o̲f̲ t̲h̲e̲ g̲r̲o̲u̲n̲d̲, from man unto beast, unto creeping thing, and unto fowl of the heavens; yea, they are wiped away from the earth, and o̲n̲l̲y̲ N̲o̲a̲h̲ i̲s̲ l̲e̲f̲t̲,̲ a̲n̲d̲ t̲h̲o̲s̲e̲ w̲h̲o̲ [̲a̲r̲e̲]̲ w̲i̲t̲h̲ h̲i̲m̲ i̲n̲ t̲h̲e̲ a̲r̲k̲;
24 and the waters are mighty on the earth a hundred and fifty days.
You cannot be this dishonest to yourself?
You have to feel, on some level that you are trying to make pieces of the puzzle fit, by cutting and gluing.
Exactly! When he makes claims like: "the word for "earth" can mean locality" which mean he just interprets scripture to support anything he wants. If Jesus turned water into wine what keeps the wine from meaning Vodka?
Actually the wine means piss.
The story can easily be understood as Jesus pissed in the jars of water turning water into wine.
It is a dirty joke by the authors over rehashing similar legends.
Yea, the context of the story is quite clear, it is not just a problem of a mistranslated word.
Only desperate idiots can believe that outright lie.
And if i remember well, William lane Craig used it in one of his debates.
The story is clear that it is a world wide flood, killing all humans, animals etc...
If it wasn't so, there was no need for an ark wouldn't it?
They would just go where there is no flood and take the animals there.
Basic common sens for crying out loud.
"That is the mirical that god has given." Yeah, and the second miracle is your inability to discuss any topic without bronze age drivel. Pathetic and funny at the same time. Have a nice life (what is left that you don't waste on religion)
So you are admitting that if God WANTS something or someone to survive, they will. WHY didn't He want those poor children in Newtown to survive??? Or the thousands that were just killed in Nepal from an act out of God's own doing ( earthquake)? These are only the tip of the iceberg. Did these people "sin" too much, especially the children...and somehow DESERVE to die?? Or wqas God those tiimes not responsible...or was He sleeping, or did He get His "sinners" mixed up? Or was it the Devil...we all know that from time to time God is overpowered by the Devil...poor God! And God also wants people to be free from love of money...oh boy, THATS a GOOD ONE!! One of the churches MAIN objectives is to extract money from people whenever it can!! They collect billions of dollars, and don't pay a dime in taxes...something that we, the hard working middle class citizens of this country,(U.S.) must pick up the slack for. That is a joke, and should be corrected. But once again, any politician who would even hint at that would NEVER win an election!!
Romans 5:8 declares, “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Despite the evil, wicked, sinful nature of the people of this world, God still loves us. He loved us enough to die to take the penalty for our sins (Romans 6:23). If we receive Jesus Christ as Savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9), we will be forgiven and promised an eternal home in heaven (Romans 8:1). What we deserve is hell. What we are given is eternal life in heaven if we come to Christ in faith.
Yes, sometimes bad things happen to people who seem undeserving of them. But God allows things to happen for His reasons, whether or not we understand them. Above all, however, we must remember that God is good, just, loving, and merciful. Often things happen to us that we simply cannot understand. However, instead of doubting God's goodness, our reaction should be to trust Him. ”Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight” (Proverbs 3:5-
But you don't undrestand, I'm Free... this is supposed to be A MIRACLE!! Thats why there is a theist belief in a God...you are supposed to accept the idea that He produces "miracles." Ihave tired of hearing about the same "miracles" over and over again that NO ONE is here now to tell us about, and there is absolutely NO PROOF of, exept for the idea of '" believing." Theists think that simply " believing" is an adequate reason to accept incredible nonsense..where when it comes to anything else, anyone in their right mind would demand proof before they believed things of such astronomical proportions.
The problem with christian help is it usually isn't.
Trust in god?
The god who created the heavens and the earth, the one you don't trust
Show him to me. And how do you know he created heaven and earth?
If god is real, produce this entity for scientific scrutiny so that we can all see and verify the existence of a super being capable of controlling the universe. It's the one piece of evidence that either makes or breaks the case for a "real" god. And no one seems to have it.