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So you come to a website designed just for athiest to talk to Christians ?
Yes, please look at the room title: Debate Room
Actually, many different types of people come here to debate. For example, yourself, who is apparently a Christian. Although, doesn't even visiting a website called "atheist republic" throw into question your faith?
Mostly, though, I think atheists are drawn here for reprieve. The pressure, outrage, and sometimes anger against athiest can make being atheist a challenge. Thus site provides - me at least - some safety and comraderie.
Actually it doesn't question my faith, I came here with a mission. Is that mission going well? No, it's not. Does that mean I am going to give up? No!
So what you are saying is that athiest come here to feel accepted?
At least a couple times a month a believer (most often a Christian, but not always!) comes in here all hot and heavy to teach us the 'Truth'. I hope that isn't your mission.
Is that so? Maybe I will stick around a little longer. I knew I wasn't the only one!
Close. More like reprieve. A break from a society already so casually hostile to atheisim.
In part, a break from people who make athiest the constant subject of their self-serving "missions." It really isn't very fair, that even here, the religious regularly sign-up - not to actually talk - but to convert.
It isn't a conversation, really, because you are not willing to listen. Listening isn't part of "missions".
How am I being "hostile"?
I didn't actually say that you were hostile, if you'll read the comment.
What I'm saying is this: are you open to change? Many commentators on this thread were once Christians - and some very devout - and there are very many interesting reasons, that they are no longer Christian.
If you ask atheist to consider (again), that there is a "God" would you also be willing to consider, that that "God" might just be a projection of yourself... that god could be a projection of your own mind?
Would you consider it possible?
Because it's only a conversation when you're willing to risk. Otherwise, you'll find it is simply a lot of talking AT each other, and very little happening what might be called listening.
Even worse, some of the users here have very little access to other atheists. I know for a fact there is more than one user here who risks their life by coming here. Luckily I'm not in that position myself!
Those are the people I have a lot of respect for. Most of them are likely forced to fake praying five times a day. That would really get old.
Well shame on those who MAKE peolpe pray becouse they should know as well as I do that everybody has free will. But that doesn't make god bad.
Ok well if anybody isn't so closed minded and maybe actually wants to know more speak now. I did not come here for people to chew me up and spit me out. I came here to help. But most of the people don't want help. If you don't want help why do you keep responding to my posts? Am I selfish to want to help people? Why do you hate me? Put yourself in my shoes and I will do the same. You know what though?if you don't want my help, then just don't respond
We want to help you by encouraging you to explore evidence out of the echo chambers you were raised in. We don't hate you, we just want you to open your mind read and discover.
@Gristomatic
You obviously didn't read what I wrote earlier:
--- You should to stop proselytizing and instead LISTEN AND READ first ---
1. You have the wrong idea about atheists, atheists are not "people who want or need help".
2. You really should to stop proselytizing and instead LISTEN AND READ first.
3. You started of by insulting and patronizing just about all atheists here, simmer down.
4. You really, really should to stop proselytizing and instead LISTEN AND READ first.
5. You write questions that seem very, very naive. Triggering the "easy target practice" instinct.
6. You really, really, really should to stop proselytizing and instead LISTEN AND READ first.
Read up on the forum, and stop posting ignorant comments.
If I sound aggressive or insulting, I do not actually intend to. I'm just trying to get through to you.
"For all of you atheists out there I would just like to know, why do you not trust in god?"
That is rather easy, I can't trust in what I don't believe exists. Trusting in something you didn't believe in the existence of would be kind of silly, wouldn't it?
"What do you believe?"
I take a number of things axiomatically, such as my own existence and that my sensory perception is somewhat accurate, I also probably believe in a number of things. The things I believe in, however, are reasonably justifiable.
"My last topic did not go as well is I would have liked it to."
I noticed, it probably has something to do with your message an the audience.
"So please do not be disrespectful becouse I am only here becouse I want to help people."
Your first mistake was assuming we either need or want help. I know what your book says, but in this case as in many others, it is simply incongruent with reality.
Trust = believe. And yes my last topic apparently was not worded well enough, becouse it seemed to offend people, and that was NOT my intentions. So I worded this one a little better.
"Trust = believe."
Not really, I believe in the existence of other people and even you, but I don't necessarily trust either with my debit pin or bank account number.
"And yes my last topic apparently was not worded well enough, becouse it seemed to offend people, and that was NOT my intentions. So I worded this one a little better."
Hmm, do you know why people found it offensive, or is it still a complete mystery to you?
Ok so you don't believe in god, therefore you don't trust that he exists. Therefore you don't trust his word, therefore You Don't Trust God. Am I correct?
I don't understand your use of the word "trust". You use it as if it means something else than it actually does.
Trust is to believe that something or someone is truthful or real is it not?
When you say "Why do you not trust god", it sounds more like you mean: Why do you not have reliance or confidence in god.
Using the word trust when you mean belief only contributes to confusion.
"Ok so you don't believe in god"
Exactly. So, considering something must exist to be trustworthy, and even people that I believe do exist are not always trustworthy either, you should be able to see the difference between existence and trustworthiness.
"therefore you don't trust that he exists."
When you simply state it as if it were a matter of fact, no. When people state, as if fact, that which is not evidently true, and in some case that which is evidently not true; they cannot be considered entirely trustworthy no matter their intentions in doing so.
"Therefore you don't trust his word"
For one, I don't believe the nonexistent has a word, so we are immediately at odds. I view your holy text with the same amount of criticism and skepticism as any other, while you do not, and you assert divine authorship despite and complete inability to prove any such thing. So that is problem one with this small statement.
Problem two, IF and it is quite a big IF, I one day discovered a god somehow. It would not necessarily make it any more trustworthy than you or your supposed devil. The mere existence of any being does not necessitate its honesty, and one would be an utter buffoon to believe that it would.
"therefore You Don't Trust God."
Kind of hard to trust something you don't even believe exists, especially when so many of the people who do are not even worthy of trust, isn't it?
"Am I correct?"
I think there is still a bit of a barrier between what I am saying and what you are getting, but it is a mental one, so might work itself out with enough time.
The whole pint of that statement was to give an example of believe and trust meaning the same thing. All that statement is saying is that, not believe in god is equivalent to not trusting him becouse how can you trust something you don't believe in? How can you believe something you don't trust? So for you to say you don't believe in him is the same as you saying you dont trust in him
That is the point though, you can't trust something you don't believe in, but you can distrust things you believe in as well.
Gristomatic, What, exactly, do you think we need help with?
Edit: I found it, I had to re-read this thread I must have missed that bit at the beginning. You want to help us find god.
DISCLAIMER: I do not speak for all atheists!
The problem is that most of us are after things that can be proven scientifically. Most of us don't believe because there is absolutely no evidence of a god. The bible is not proof, it's a bunch of myths and fairy tales and possible historical accounts written by many different people over a long period of time, translated over and over then smushed together between two covers.
The 'look around trees and life and such' argument is also not proof of god, the only thing that proves is existence.
Find a way to prove,scientifically, the existence of god then we may be more open about being 'helped' to find him.
Ok from your perspective, how was life created?
There is nothing that demands atheists to know such things.
- I don't know.
That is the only honest answer. It is called intellectual honesty.
Not knowing is no reason to insert a magical entity.
Ok you don't know, I respect that. I'd tell you but you wouldn't trust me
It is not a matter of trust, it is a matter of you providing evidence to support you extraordinary claim.
Until you do, you will be ignored or consider mentally damaged.
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