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The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day. How do you think this just happens?
Gristomatic - "Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun..."
The distance to the sun varies over time, so the statement that it is at the perfect distance is ludicrous. Additionally altering the Earth's distance to the sun by up to +/- 20% and it would still be in the habitable zone. So no, the first statement is also wrong. But it isn't your fault; I know you are just innocently repeating the lies you were told by some apologists.
Edited to add: But in the future, I recommend that if you read claim X, and claim X agrees with your world view, that you should question it even more closely than you would otherwise. It is easy to spot a lie that disagrees with your preconceived notions of the world, it is much harder to spot one that agrees with them.
Let me introduce you to the sentient puddle. It explains all this 'coincidence'.
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/70827-this-is-rather-as-if-you-imagine-a...
So because things are? I'm confused by your logic. So because the earth's atmosphere supports life I should beleive there is a masterful spirit of the universe? What about all the planets that cannot support life? Or maybe I should believe in gods because black holes are super dense objects. Or maybe because photons bounce off obects producing the illusion of light. Or maybe because dog turds are brown, animals have teeth, or dolphins rape seals to death.
You simply described scientific observations and are trying to say to me "look, the universe exists! Therefore, gods exist!"
Between your point A (Existence of the universe) and your point Z (The existence of a god) you have 24 steps showing correlation between observances, that you have left blank and uncorrelated.
Hi Gristomatic. I hope you are aware of the fact that there are trillions of galaxies, stars and planets. So the earth is the one inside the universe. There is not one earth and one sun in the universe. So, the chance of an existing life on a planet is at least one in trillions. And do not forget that the earth and solar system are not ultimately perfect. Because they have an expiration date, which can be foreseen by the science. And science cannot still say that an asteroid would crash onto the earth a hundred years later. And the earth is not perfect. Because humans can devastate it easily. It is not perfect, because a huge meteor can kill almost all the life on the earth. It is not perfect. Because an earthquake, hurricane, tsunami or any natural thing, which are all acts of God, could kill hundreds of thousands, wound them and refine them in a painful life as long as they live, with or without their beloved relatives and friends. Unless you believe that the earth is 6000 years old, it was not always inhabitable like this. Remember the ice age, but not the animation movie.
And the omnipotent god might be expected to construct all the buildings, transportation means, communication devices, and anything that would facilitate the life. However, he thought that nature is enough for us. And the intelligent human can find anything for the survival of the life. And the Bible, Quran or any other holly book do not mention about how to make them. Because these books are busy with threatening people with hell if they do not obey. People try to protect themselves from earthquakes by building sturdier buildings, from hurricanes by digging bunkers, from floods or any disasters. So God harms and kills people, and people are on their own to protect themselves from these omnipotent guy.
God created us. Nobody wanted to be alive here in the world. But he says we are sinful. What did I do to be a sinful? Christ died for us to be saved from our sins. Thanks so much to Jesus to save us. But God and Jesus cannot be adequately persuasive to make us believe that they are saving us. This omnipotent God is so weak that he cannot convince us to believe him. He is so coward that he never shows himself to us. He is just sending messengers and he even cannot protect his messengers here in the world.
The religion is just like the fables of La Fontaine to me. Maybe could be read like a story. But still very boring compared to the classic novels.
Why do I not trust in the God? Because that statement is utterly meaningless, even for a believer in the God. What you're really trusting in is your imagination, or the imagination of religious people around you, or the imagination of people from a long time ago who wrote things like the bible. Meanwhile this God remains absolutely silent and indifferent to you and to all mankind. I "trusted" in the God for many years myself until I realized this, that all my prayers were a one-sided conversation with an imaginary friend.
And BTW, why must you say "God is real"? Do you find the need to say that about anyone who actually is real?
I figured as much. Many athiest were once Christians who lost their faith. If you don't mind me asking what happened that made you one day question your faith?
Evidence! Lots and lots of evidence that you could see if you take your "god glasses" off (blindfold) and examine it. If Rachael Slick overcame the indoctrination (child-abuse) she was subjected to and emerged to live a fulfilling life maybe there is hope for you yet.
Have you ever seen the movie,"The Onion Field?" There is a scene in the movie where a police officer is held captive in a car with a gun pointed at his head? The perpetrators ask the officer for hisr gun, or he will be shot. He complied, and faced disciplinary action later on after the criminals were caught for giving up his guns. The Lieutenant told the rookie cop that he should have faith in his partners, his training, and put his trust in God...you NEVER give up your gun. An old veteran of the force then defends the rookie..." That kid did what he HAD to do under the circustances...and what I would have done too...God isn't going to STOP A BULLET!!!" Amen
One important reason is that we are not born as Christians and Muslims. Brainwashing was applied to us during our childhood when we were ready to accept whatever is told to us. So we did not choose to belong to a religion. Our parents took us to the church or mosque. We celebrated religious days and events because simply our parents were celebrating it. Once we grew, some lucky people among the brainwashed could get out of the dogmatic rules of the religion and question what really happens around us.
What has God done for me? He didn't create me, my parents did, who were then made by their parents. He did not create mankind, the science behind evolution did. He did not create the species we evolved from, they evolved from another species and this continues back to the first single-celled organisms on the planet. I've never seen him/her, heard him/her, nor did I ever receive anything from God. Why should I trust "God" when he/she hasn't actually done anything for me?
The thig is though he has done wonders. Guess what?he loves you so much that He gave his only son here to earth just to die for all of our sins, including yours. I think that is a pretty incredible gift
Wait... what? If he died for my sins, then I'm covered anyway!
Get out of jail free?
Not exactly , you are given the chance to get into heaven even though, like all of us, you have sinned
So he didnt die for my sins?
Knew it.
No such thing as a free lunch.
Where did you get that idea from? Of course he died for our sins, thus giving us a chance to get into heaven becouse we are sinners. I was just saying He didn't die to bail you out of jail.
So, we still have to work off sins? What was the point of Jesus dying then, if that's the case. Guy practically died for nothing.
How about I die for myself (eventually, of natural causes) - because I didn't ask for Jesus' help anyway - and THAT can cover any sins I committed while alive.
Not that I sin.
"working it off" is a simple as accepting him as your savior and asking him for his forgiveness.... That's the thing if you don't ask him to help, he won't help; ask and you shall receive. Well when you die I guess you will dee how well that goes or you. But that last statement though. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; romas 3:23. To say you haven't sinned is a lie.
How does romans know I've sinned? Neither do you, for that matter. Besides, I can't ask Jesus anything: he's dead.
If you're a sinner, speak for yourself.
What "sins" did I commit 3000 years ago...and what the HELL is it that I did that was sooooo terrible that a man had to be tortured and crucified to absolve me?! It is unbelievable to me that people have been force-fed this garbage when they were children, and STILL believe it as adults...don't they have their own minds, or the common sense and intelligence to figure out that this is all bullshit??!!
How could you have sinned 3000 years ago? Jusus died not only for them but everybody who has sinned, not just then but now too.
The thing you must understand about the theist thinking is that faith, and belief is ENOUGH for them to know that there is a God. This line of thinking is of course illogical when it comes to ANYTHING else, but for this, it is acceptable in the theist frame of mind.
Are you people actually PROUD of being athiest?? You like to think that there is nothing after you die?do you honestly believe that life is meaningless? That you just live and die and that's it? No coming back, just "whelp your dead" that's it. And there is nothing sugnificant about the world ? And why is this website a thing? Why do athiest come here? Are they lost and alone? need some people to agree with you to make you feel better, then pick on the one person who is trying to make a difference in your lives, to make yourself feel right? Becouse that doesn't sound right. Just saying
Are you telling me I'm supposed to be embarrassed and discouraged to be an atheist? I personally believe spirits exist but heaven and hell do not. Other atheists believe that you simply no longer exist in any form after you die. That does not make life meaningless, it makes life more meaningful because you need to enjoy it and not rely on the fact that everything is ok after you die. Atheists come here to discuss, debate, learn, and communicate with other non-believers to hear their opinions on things and learn more about science.
I was asking you if you are a proud athiest. How do you think your spirit was created?
When you were born you won against odds greater than any lottery you can imagine. Life is precious and every hour you frivolously waste being a religious sycophant to a celestial Kim Jong-un that doesn’t exist is gone forever. Please read about Matt’s Slick’s daughter Rachael who managed to escape her religious slavery to live a wonderful life despite the child abuse she was subjected to growing up. I’m sure the environment you grew up in is no way near as abusive as her’s was. By reading about her story maybe you will learn something, if not….your loss.
1) Yes, I am proud to be an atheist. It is the way I was born.
2) There was nothing (for me) before I was born. So why should I expect anything after I die?
3) Everyone is free to give their life its own meaning depending on their individual world views.
4) IMHO it is a case of we are born, we live, we die. I believe it is "the living" bit which is important.
5) While I certainly enjoy my life I would not want to come back and do it all again after I die. Once will be enough for me.
6) The world is just a rock spinning in space. I would say it is fairly insignificant. This does not bother me.
7) I guess atheists come here to meet up and talk with like minded people. It is no different from forums which talk about cycling, cars, cookery, fishing. etc.
8) The responses to your comments have been reasonable and polite, there is no need to get upset just because people do not agree with you.
You have been more respectfully than a lot of other people, I appreciate that. But there are some offencive comments in there, maybe you just didn't see them. Anyway, respectfully asking, why would you only want to live once? Just for a short time on this rock spinning in space? I'm just saying its nothing compared to eternal life in heaven, Where everything is perfect in every way. Maybe it doesn't mean as much to you as it does to me, but think about it,.. No sin whatsoever. How great would that be?!
"You have been more respectfully than a lot of other people, I appreciate that. But there are some offencive comments in there, maybe you just didn't see them."
I sometimes post on Topix. Have you heard of it? The comments here are mild compared to what is posted there. Also, I have a very thick skin :-}
"Anyway, respectfully asking, why would you only want to live once?"
I am retired and have a lifestyle I enjoy. After I die I want to stay dead. I certainly do not want to have to go through everything again in order to reach the same point I am already at. Neither do I feel the need to reject everything I understand about the world around me and embrace the supernatural on the "promise" of eternal life after I die.
"Just for a short time on this rock spinning in space?
IMHO this life is all the more sweet because of its fleeting nature.
"I'm just saying its nothing compared to eternal life in heaven, Where everything is perfect in every way. Maybe it doesn't mean as much to you as it does to me, but think about it,."
Perfect by who's definition? It is (for example) probable my idea of perfect is different from yours.
"No sin whatsoever. How great would that be?"
It sounds boring.
Wow wow hang on, you dont have to do it all again:) so if you were a christian and you died, you would go to heaven, not sent back to earth again! Lol that would be stupid. Heaven is perfect becouse there is no sin, no temptation becouse god is perfect. Boring is an earthly state of mind. I think that the word perfect is kind of universal term. Perhaps there may be different choices of wording but it still means the same thing. Unless you think that the world is perfect. Becouse I can give you plenty of reasons it's not.
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