The Intruder why is he here?

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Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
The Intruder why is he here?

Why is he here? Does he really think we will suddenly go for Christianity after either always being atheists or becoming an atheist? Isn't there somewhere else he could Troll?

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CyberLN's picture
I would imagine he is here

I would imagine he is here because this is a debate forum open to both atheists and theists.

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
@CyberLN

@CyberLN

Yeah well I get the impression he's trying to push Christianity down our throats.

Doesn't he realize we go by actual solid evidence?

CyberLN's picture
At this point, it seems he is

At this point, it seems he is arguing his perspective. I don’t think he’s doing it very well, but he likely thinks the opposite is the case.

Edited to add: this is not a bad thing. There are plenty of fence-sitting lurkers who may figure things out for themselves via strings like the ones in which the intruder is active.

cranky47's picture
@cyberLN

@cyberLN

Agreed.

From a purely practical point of view, atheist forums which ban theists can get pretty boring.

To be honest, theists can sometimes be entertaining rather than just irritating, .Sadly trained apologists who can actually think are so rare that they have no time to spend on an internet forum

.The dickheads we get her are generally so arrogant that they have never bothered to find out for example the meaning of the word atheist. Nor the most basic information about scientific and scholarly method as well as the basics of reasoned discussion .If find that a bit galling, especially when I all of that information is available free on line or at a public library .( often a better source)

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OT Quick question, not after a debate; IF the US president vetoes a bill which has been passed by theSenate, does that mean it simply does not pass, at all. OR is it put on hold for a maximum period ,defined by the constitution? I'm assuming the latter. The founding fathers would have sought ways to prevent the president from becoming a dictator. (?)

LogicFTW's picture
@Cranky47

@Cranky47

Did not research the answer, but off the top of my head, a super majority in the senate/house can "force" a bill that cannot be vetoed by the president.

Sheldon's picture
@cyberLN

@cyberLN

...and to spread the joy of his message to the heathen, obviously...

Whitefire13's picture
I don’t mind Intruder. It is

I don’t mind Intruder. It is entertaining. I think he’s serious... I don’t know ... but fuck, reading his mind gymnastics is a wonderful way to keep myself from “going there”, on any subject. To be clear, my reasoning. We all have bias and opinions and for eg. politically we could sound just like him ... scary thought to keep me from assuming anything.

Tin-Man's picture
@Fievel Re: Intruder

@Fievel Re: Intruder

Hey there, dude. Here's the thing... Is Intruder an annoying little armpit rash? Sure, a little bit, but nothing too serious. Is Intruder a troll? Very likely. Even if he is, though, he is not very good at it. We have definitely had better trolls here. Plus, he isn't doing any real harm. Now for the biggie... Is Intruder a genuine Christian (or JW, as he so claims) theist who sincerely believes the horseshit spewing from his brain? Sadly (for him), that is a possibility. And if he truly is what he claims to be, then his being here is actually doing us a favor by demonstrating the detrimental effects of religion on the human mind. So, if he is a troll, then he is cheap entertainment until he slips up enough to get booted. And if he is a true theist, then he is helping us in an indirect manner. Either way, it is a win-win for us (atheists)... *chuckle*...

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
@Tin-Man

@Tin-Man

Yes I guess it is a Win Win, but he shoots himself in the foot when trying to prove there's a god.

But I guess it does make us look good when he tries.

Sorry I don't have anymore than that. ;)

Whitefire13's picture
... he is no JW! Speaking of

... he is no JW! Speaking of which I’m been dying for your update Tin Man. Did they show?

Grinseed's picture
I think this was briefly

I think this was briefly discussed else where but, I prefer the densely arrogant zealots that stand their ground, even when they ceaselessly repeat their meaningless assertions in the face of reasoned explanations and criticisms. They are a drain on patience but its just their faith talking. No-one is obliged to engage them, and if they don't fall outside forum rules they can make mildly entertaining chew toys.

Zealots are better than the coward "drive-bye-byes" who heroically declare their faith and revulsion for atheists and then melt like snowflakes, when faced with reasonable informed responses they hadn't expected from godless pagans.

Still, the drive-byes-byes are better than wimpy theist lurkers. Are they really out there? Just watching from the shadows and issuing eternal punishments on evil forumites? If so, its not their fault they don't engage really. They lack just enough faith to witness for their deity of choice, which indicates either a real lack of faith or a real lack of a deity. Which is it, lurkers? Come out and explain.

If AR got the reputation as an intolerant banning forum, the reasonable theists, few as they are, might be put off coming. We'd be reduced to discussing Cog's Big Yellow Banana Cosmology or Tin's addiction to eating crayons, which I quite enjoy. Or I could, I suppose, catch up on reading Cal's links to scientific papers, fuck knows I am so far behind.

I was thinking it might be the tag team procedure we inadvertently employ here. One theist, one OP meets an overwhelming wave of responses from eager pagans. But I cant see a rostered "welcome wagon" approach being feasible. Its more fun to leap into the melee.

Let 'em all in. Let 'em know AR takes on all comers...with a great deal of patience.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Intruder is here because he

Intruder is here because he likes reading his own typing. If he is what says he is ( which I doubt) he is using this experience to hone his "pioneer" skills to convert the vulnerable when he goes door to door seeking more income for the elders in his cult.

His lack of education and inability to comprehend 'complicated' concepts, like the correct definition of atheism, for example is a barrier to critical thinking. Coupled with his natural arrogance and, if he really is a JW, his belief that he is of the very few "chosen ones' defends his ego from reality. It does not even set up, (as it would in a 'normal' person) any cognitive dissonance, not even curiosity.

Personally, as we have discussed before I am very glad that people like "JoC", "Jo", "Joy" and Intruder post their apologetic nonsense so freely.
I think we should indeed set up the "AR Atheist Recruiter of the Month" leading to "AR Atheist Recruiter of the Year" awards for the best theist garbage that could result in the lurkers rejecting their nonsense for ever.

Sheldon's picture
Old man shouts 

Old man shouts 

His lack of education and inability to comprehend 'complicated' concepts,

Complicated? Not to be unkind the most basic word definitions are clearly beyond him. Unless he's simply trolling of course, at the moment I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's not making it easy. Especially when he uses known logical fallacies for the umpteenth time, and you explain it to him, for the umpteenth time, and his response is to start a separate thread claiming your explanation of a basic logical principle is "nothing but an emotional response."

I suppose he gets half a point for the hilarious irony, if he's being sincere that is.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Shelley

@ Shelley

You are right. I should have hit the "sarcasm" button.

Cognostic's picture
You might have begun the

You might have begun the thread, "Intruder, why are you here?" Then we would all know.

Grinseed's picture
@ Cog

@ Cog

"Then we would all know."

Not necessarily.
I sometimes struggle trying to understand some of his uneven English.
Its like debating Yoda.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Amazing how Intruders English

Amazing how Intruders English comprehension, grammar and style has suddenly improved with his latest OP.....wait...Grinseed did you fart or is that stench something more odiferous, like maybe, oh I dunno some old socks?

cranky47's picture
@Grinseed

@Grinseed

"Its like debating Yoda.' Yair, full of bullshit they both are.

Question:Why does Yoda speak with what seems to this untrained ear to be grammatical German? Is it to signal to the audience that what he says is meant to be profound.? Whatever ,he still talks like a fortune cookie.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find Yoda's duel with Count Dooku unintentionally silly to the point of hilarity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UUQIIOO8RM

Grinseed's picture
Cockatoos don't have noses..

Cockatoos don't have noses...and yet part of me wishes I could claim responsibility...but a sock, you say?

I have noted similarities with a particular former contributor, the world travel, the dismay for the dreadful state of humankind, the confidence in the dismal end of the world, the arrogant piety and hubris..the unsteady command of English and vocab, the almost understandable suddenly turning to gibberish....but its not inconceivable that different attempts might end up sounding familiar...its English's vast vocabulary, with words with multiple meanings, that throw people more than the grammatical structure....didn't someone mention going to England or Canada?... maybe he's had time and opportunity to improve....and there's no reason there cant be thousands of like minded folks like the Intruder out there, but never mind...better he preach here with those impervious to his rants than to actually be knocking on the doors of the gullible or susceptible in the real world.

And improvement is just an outcome of practice, everyone gets better with everything with consistent application. There was time when I couldn't fly you know? I just kept at it, despite all the heavy crash landings on my head. Too stupid to quit but now I'm booming'n'zooming'n'squawking with the best of them.
Farts? No. But just be sure to cover your heads when I pass.

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