Nineveh only heard and believed.warning this debate might convert you

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Real Toyou's picture
Nineveh only heard and believed.warning this debate might convert you

We think God's a prick when the bible actually has healing on the Sabbath and compassion in it. We think there's no proof. When the Bible explains why God gives no proof.
We think alot of things why the Bible is not true but what does the Bible say in this mass generation of confusion having iliteracy in all that we believe.this is just to bring back to your remeberance of things in the bible and debate about the Bible.



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David Killens's picture
Soooo.. the bible may not be

Soooo.. the bible may not be the guide to truth?

I already knew that.

Real Toyou's picture
It's absolute truth in terms

It's absolute truth in terms that everything in this universe and universe itself goes in accordance with it.

David Killens's picture
Let me get this straight.

Let me get this straight. Everything in this universe and universe itself goes in accordance with the bible? Which bible please?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
yes, if you are irretrievably

yes, if you are irretrievably stupid.

Sheldon's picture
Socialistview "It's absolute

Socialistview "It's absolute truth in terms that everything in this universe and universe itself goes in accordance with it."


Sapporo's picture
Actions speak louder than

Actions speak louder than words. If you know you are able to prevent evil and do nothing about it, you can only be evil.

algebe's picture
@Socialistview: confusion

@Socialistview: confusion having iliteracy in all that we believe


Actually literacy has never been higher. It's increased steadily over the past several decades and is now well over 80%.

Real Toyou's picture
Which Bible? Each Bible

Which Bible? Each Bible should have the same chapters same verses and same dipiction of the story within those chapter and verses in each Bible despite saying they and thou Catholic though have added a few more books to the established Bible.

Also god says change and he will even bring a blessing after healing the world. And that he wants to give us help but we don't want his help so let us die by whatever we die by.

Well I guess people have forgotten the ideals in the books they have read.

Sheldon's picture
"Each Bible should have the

"Each Bible should have the same chapters same verses and same dipiction of the story within those chapter"

What's a dipiction (sic)? I can't find it in any dictionary?

"Catholic though have added a few more books to the established Bible."

This has to be a windup.

Sky Pilot's picture


"Which Bible? Each Bible should have the same chapters same verses and same dipiction of the story within those chapter and verses in each Bible despite saying they and thou Catholic though have added a few more books to the established Bible."

It's obvious that you don't know anything about biblical history so please stop and learn about it before posting BS.

The "Catholic Bible" is the established Bible. The current version has all of the original books that were in the master copy.

The "Protestant Bible" is the Reader's Digest version. In the 1870s-1880s the Protestants got a bug up their butt and deleted the Apocrypha when they published a new Bible version in the early 1880s. The Protestant version is only about
137 years old.

David Killens's picture
Are you aware that the Bible

Are you aware that the Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery, but it does give instructions on how slaves should be treated during those times.

Genesis 16:8

And he said “Hagar, Sarai’s slave girl, where have you come from and where are you going?” She answered, “I’m running away from Sarai, my mistress.” The angel of the Lord said to her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to ill treatment at her hands.”

Real Toyou's picture
I do and I watched a few

I do and I watched a few Jewish discussions about it. They say it because it would happen even with a law against it because it was apart of the culture back then and everybody was doing it so it would be very tempting to do it because of profitability so god made rules for it instead of outlawing it fully because it was so ingrained in the culture back then. But in a view slaves were treated mighty well compare to how blacks were treated in america. But I'm Christian and proud of it because slavery is frowned upon in Christianity.

David Killens's picture


"But I'm Christian and proud of it because slavery is frowned upon in Christianity."

I disagree because almost all of the slave owners were christians and were able to accommodate their beliefs with slavery. You really should read up on your nation's history of slavery.

David Killens's picture


"so god made rules for it instead of outlawing it fully"

Why didn't your god just do as it did with the commandments, just come right out and say it was bad and forbidden? The bible is a book of rules, there are over 600 rules in that book.

If your god put down silly rules like clothing (Deuteronomy 22:9–11 Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together) then why not ban slavery?

Cognostic's picture
@ "We think alot of things

@ "We think alot of things why the Bible is not true..." No one has to think the Bible is not true. That would be a "Begging the question (petitio principii) – providing what is essentially the conclusion of the argument as a premise, fallacy." NO ONE THINKS THIS WAY without being fallacious.

What happens is that a Theist or the Bible says something and only then is it examined. You have put the cart before the horse. No one can make a judgment prior to that which is being judged is expressed.

It may very well be that most atheist have a notion that the bible is full of contradiction and error. This is a demonstrable position. It does not negate the fact that there may actually be some good information in the Bible. The point that atheists generally make is that theists, be they Muslim or Christian, do not pay attention to their religious texts. They cherry pick the verses they want to focus on and simply poo poo away anything they disagree with.

@"this is just to bring back to your remembrance of things in the bible.."
So are you advocating a return to cherry picking? Why would I want to remember the things in the Bible? What possible motive would I have for that? I do not think the Bible is anything more than an ancient Iron Age religious text.

Real Toyou's picture
Despite slave owners saying

Despite slave owners saying obey your master it does also say don't look down on your slave owner because their bretheren.

Sheldon's picture
"Despite slave owners saying

"Despite slave owners saying obey your master it does also say don't look down on your slave owner because their bretheren."

They are is abbreviated as they're, not their (sic), and it's brethren, not bretheren (sic). That aside your claim is asinine, there are no circumstances under which slavery is morally acceptable, and the bible repeatedly endorses slavery. Hence the bible is not only not a moral guide, it is demonstrably immoral.

Real Toyou's picture
You thinking too technical

You thinking too technical god didn't outlaw all clothes just said that specific combination but you still had access to it. It's like marrying and divorcing in judiasm then Jesus saying Moses allowed that because you would still do it to say.

I don't cherry pick I give the Bible fully. Now for contradictions I see none except opposites concepts in one book to in the sense of the Bibles point of view to bring full understanding of all understanding if that makes sense which the Bible plainely explains that different situations has different actions which I have seen atheist do not come to realize that you act appropriately to that situation right. But what are we judging right now?

David Killens's picture
You are either evasive or not

You are either evasive or not getting the point.

If your god is so powerful and can make any pronouncement it desires, then just why not say "slavery is bad"? Secondly, this god of yours that had no trouble wiping out everything with a flood, or ordering genocide doesn't give a rat's ass about maintaining "traditions" like slavery.

What are we judging? You. In one sentence you state you follow the bible fully. Then you do an about face and start the "context" game, where according to you some things are to be ignored while others are what's to be applied.

Sheldon's picture
Sorry but I have to ask, is

Sorry but I have to ask, is English your first language? Also are your comma, and shift keys broken?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Everything we know about the

Everything we know about the cosmos and nature, does not require a deity.

The only thing that would require that is a slightly evolved, pattern seeking primate that fears its own mortality.

algebe's picture
Socialistview: Well I guess

Socialistview: Well I guess people have forgotten the ideals in the books they have read.

Not at all. I recall some excellent ideals from "Lord of the Rings", "Harry Potter", "Tale of Two Cities", "Gulliver's Travels", "Beowulf", and many more. There's courage, loyalty, friendship, endurance, honesty, nobility, altruism in all of these books.

From the Bible I learned about slavery, murder, aggressive invasion, rape, torture, lust, abuse of power.... And all of those things are done by the guys with god on their side, so I guess they're ok.

The one positive thing about the Bible is that it isn't quite as bad as the Quran.

Sheldon's picture
So no one can demonstrate any

So no one can demonstrate any truth for your religion, its claims, or the bible?

I'm not sure why you think this is news to an atheist forum?

Which part of the bible did you want to discuss, and why?

Real Toyou's picture
I'm lacking in knowledge

I'm lacking in knowledge about new discoveries in the origins of life. We know bacteria doesn't come from rocks you can say well water mixed with dirt made the perfect suange for nuclei grwoth. Well doesn't the Bible say we come from dirt both man and animals but progenisis I think it's called says life begets life it's impossible for immaterial objects to grow a concious. We never see a new species of life popping out of mud over the millinia why think now.

I don't think god was on the side of anything like that.

Ask where is this coming of Jesus Christ and god would answer as the growth of wheat for the harvest I come.

David Killens's picture


If you admit a lack of knowledge in abiogenesis, then do you really think that you are qualified to offer an explanation on the origin(s) of life? There are tens of thousands of very smart and well-educated people who have devoted their entire lives to this question. And you pop up and say "hey I know, I read the bible"?

About twenty years ago I was like you, firmly hanging on to some god concept, attempting to reconcile all the contradictions in the bible. But my efforts were self-defeating because the harder I tried to explain the harder I looked and the more I learned the more ludicrous the bible became.

And please, a ramble like this becomes incoherent. Please explain your version of abiogenesis.

Cognostic's picture
OP: God's a prick when the

OP: God's a prick when the bible actually has healing on the Sabbath and compassion in it.

OP: We think there's no proof. When the Bible explains why God gives no proof.

OP: Each Bible should have the same chapters same verses and same dipiction of the story within those chapter and verses ( CATHOLICS HAVE ADDED A FEW MORE BOOKS TO THE ESTABLISHED BIBLE.)

OP: Slavery was not the same back the. It was common so god made rules. He was too stupid to say, "Don't own your fellow man." Though he did say. "Don't mix fabrics or work on the Sabbath."

Another DFC bouncing around from topic to topic. No justification for anything. Random assertions with no facts or evidence. Displaying the depths of ignorance a believer is willing to wallow in as he sinks to lower and lower depths with each new post.

2 Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 1,000
3 Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 2,000
4 Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 1
5 While they were sore, Dinah's brethren slew all the males Gen 34:1-31, Judith 9:2-3 2 1,000
6 Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord Gen 38:7 1 1
7 Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 1 1
8 A seven year worldwide famine Gen 41:25-54 70,000
9 There will be blood: The first plague of Egypt Ex 7:15-27 , Wis 11:7-8 10,000
10 The seventh plague: hail Ex 9:25 300,000
11 Firstborn Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 500,000
12 The Lord took off their chariot wheels Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000
13 Amalekites Ex 17:13 1,000
14 Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing friends and family to kill each other Ex 32:27-28 3,000 3,000
15 Aaron's golden calf Ex 32:35 1,000
16 God burns Aaron's sons to death for offering "strange fire" Lev 10:1-3 2 2
17 A blasphemer is stoned to death Lev 24:10-23 1 1
18 When the people complained, God burned them to death Num 11:1 100
19 While the flesh was still between their teeth, the Lord smote them will a very great plague Num 11:33 10,000
20 Ten scouts are killed for their honest report Num 14:35-45 10 110
21 A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day is stoned to death Num 15:32-35 1 1
22 Korah, his companions, and their families are buried alive Num 16:27 3 9
23 God burns 250 people to death for burning incense Num 16:35 250 250
24 God kills 14,700 for complaining about God's killings Num 16:49 14,700 14,700
25 The massacre of the Aradies Num 21:1-2 3,000
26 God sent serpents to bite people for complaining about the lack of food and water Num 21:6 100
27 Phineas's double murder: A killing to end God's killing Num 25:1-11 24,002 24,002
28 The Midianite massacre: Have ye saved all the women alive? Num 31:1-35 6 200,000
29 God slowly killed the Israelite army Dt 2:14-16 500,000
30 God the giant killer Dt 2:21-22 5,000
31 God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his people can be killed Dt 2:33-34 1 5,000
32 Og and all the men women, and children in 60 cities Dt 3:6 1 60,000
33 The Jericho massacre Jos 6:21 1,000
34 Achan and his family Jos 7:10-26 1 5
35 The Ai massacre Jos 8:1-25 12,000 12,000
36 God stops the sun so Joshua can get his killing done in the daylight Jos 10:10-11 5,000
37 Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:26 5 10,000
38 Joshua utterly destroyed all that breathed as the Lord commanded Jos 10:28-42 7 7,000
39 The genocide of twenty cities: There was not any left to breathe Jos 11:8-12 2 20,000
40 The Anakim: some more giant killing Jos 11:20-21 5,000
41 The Lord delivered the Canaanites and Perizzites Jg 1:4 10,000 10,000
42 The Jerusalem massacre Jg 1:8 1,000
43 Five massacres, a wedding, and God-proof iron chariots Jg 1:9-25 5,000
44 The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:7-10 1 1,000
45 Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:15-22 1 1
46 God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3:28-29 10,000 10,000
47 Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox goad Jg 3:31 600 600
48 Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:15-16 1,000
49 Jael pounds a tent stake through a sleeping man's skull Jg 4:18-22 1 1
50 Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow Jg 7:22 120,000 120,000
51 A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit Jg 9:23-27 1,001 2,000
52 The Ammonite massacre Jg 11:32-33 20,000
53 Jephthah's daughter Jg 11:39 1 1
54 42,000 die for failing the "shibboleth" test Jg 12:4-7 42,000 42,000
55 Samson murdered 30 men for their clothes Jg 14:19 30 30
56 Samson killed 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass Jg 15:14-15 1,000 1,000
57 Samson killed 3000 in a suicide terrorist attack Jg 16:27-30 3,000 3,000
58 A holy civil war (it had something to do with rotting concubine body part messages) Jg 20:35-37 65,100 65,100
59 The end of Judges: two genocides and 200 stolen virgins Jg 21:10-14 4,000
60 God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite soldiers 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11 34,002 34,002
61 God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts 1 Sam 5:1-12 3,000
62 50,070 killed for looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam 6:19 50,070 50,070
63 The Lord thundered a great thunder upon the Philistines 1 Sam 7:10-11 1,000
64 Another Ammonite massacre (and another God-inspired body part message) 1 Sam 11:6-13 1,000
65 Jonathan's first slaughter 1 Sam 14:12-14 20 20
66 God forces the Philistines to kill each other 1 Sam 14:20 1,000
67 The Amalekite genocide 1 Sam 15:2-3 10,000
68 Samuel hacks Agag to death before the Lord 1 Sam 15:32-33 1 1
69 In the valley of Elah: Goliath 1 Sam 17:51, 2 Sam 21:19 1 1
70 David buys a wife with 200 Philistine foreskins 1 Sam 18:27 200 200
71 The Lord said to David, Go and smite the Philistines 1 Sam 23:2-5 10,000
72 God killed Nabal (and David got his wife and other stuff) 1 Sam 25:38 1 1
73 David commits random acts of genocide for the Philistines 1 Sam 27:8-11 60,000
74 David spends the day killing Amalekites 1 Sam 30:17 1,000
75 God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers (because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites) 1 Sam 31:2, 2 Chr 10:6 4 100
76 David kills the messenger 2 Sam 1:15 1 1
77 David killed, mutilated, and hung Rechab and Baanah 2 Sam 4:12 2 2
78 God helps David smite the Philistines from the front and the rear 2 Sam 5:19-25 2,000
79 God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam 6:6-7, 1 Chr 13:9-10 1 1
80 David killed two-thirds of the Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest 2 Sam 8:2 667
81 And the Lord gave David victory wherever he went 2 Sam 8 - 10 65,850 66,850
82 David killed every male in Edom 2 Sam 8:13-14, 1 Kg 11:15-16, 1 Chr 18:12, Ps 60:1 15,000 25,000
83 Thus did David do to all the children of Ammon 2 Sam 11:1, 1 Chr 20:1 1,000
84 God slowly kills a baby 2 Sam 12:14-18 1 1
85 Seven sons of Saul are hung up before the Lord 2 Sam 21:1-9 7 3,000
86 David's mighty men and their amazing killings 2 Sam 23, 1 Chr 11 1,403 3,400
87 God killed 70,000 because of David had a census that God (or Satan) told him to do 2 Sam 24:15, 1 Chr 21:14 70,000 200,000
88 Solomon murdered Job and Shimei (per David's deathbed wish) 1 Kg 2:29-46 2 2
89 A tale of two prophets 1 Kg 13:11-24 1 1
90 Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1 Kg 14:17 1 1
91 Jeroboam's family 1 Kg 15:29 10
92 Baasha's family and friends 1 Kg 16:11-12 20
93 Zimri burns to death 1 Kg 16:18-19 1 1
94 The drought of Elijah 1 Kg 17:1, Luke 4:25, James 5:17-18 3,000
95 Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest 1 Kg 18:22-40 450 450
96 The first God-assisted slaughter of the Syrians 1 Kg 20:20-21 10,000
97 God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills 1 Kg 20:28-29 100,000 100,000
98 God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a wall fall on them 1 Kg 20:30 27,000 27,000
99 God sent a lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet 1 Kg 20:35-36 1 1
100 God killed Ahab for not killing a captured king 1 Kg 20:42, 22:35 1 1
101 God burned 102 men to death for asking Elijah to come down from his hill 2 Kg 1:10-12 102 102
102 God killed Ahaziah for asking the wrong God 2 Kg 1:16-17, 2 Chr 22:7-9 1 1
103 God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head 2 Kg 2:23-24 42 42
104 The Lord delivered the Moabites 2 Kg 3:18-25 5,000
105 A skeptic is trampled to death 2 Kg 7:2-20 1 1
106 God's seven year famine 2 Kg 8:1 7,000
107 Jehoram of Israel 2 Kg 9:24 1 1
108 Jezebel 2 Kg 9:33-37 1 1
109 Ahab's sons: 70 heads in two baskets 2 Kg 10:6-10 70 70
110 Ahab's hometown family, friends, and priests 2 Kg 10:11 20
111 Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2 Kg 10:12-13, 2 Chr 22:7-9 42 42
112 Jehu and his partner kill the rest of Ahab's family 2 Kg 10:17 20
113 Jehu assembled the followers of Baal and then slaughtered them all 2 Kg 10:18-25 1,000
114 Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen Athaliah 2 Kg 11:17-20 2 2
115 God sent lions to eat those who didn't fear him enough 2 Kg 17:25-26 10
116 An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2 Kg 19:34, 37:36 185,000 185,000
117 God caused King Sennacherib to be killed by his sons 2 Kg 19:37, Tobit 1:21 1 1
118 Josiah killed all the priests of the high places 2 Kg 23:20 100
119 Just another holy war 1 Chr 5:18-22 50,000
120 God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2 Chr 13:17-18 500,000 500,000
121 Jeroboam 2 Chr 13:20 1 1
122 God killed a million Ethiopians 2 Chr 14:9-14 1,000,000 1,000,000
123 Friendly fire: God forced "a great multitude" to kill each other 2 Chr 20:22-25 30,000
124 God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2 Chr 21:14-19 1 1
125 God killed Jehoram's sons 2 Chr 22:1 3
126 Ahaziah of Judah 2 Chr 22:7-8 1 1
127 Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2 Chr 24:20-25 1 10,000
128 God destroyed Amaziah 2 Chr 25:15-27 1 1,000
129 God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2 Chr 28:1-5 1 10,000
130 God killed 120,000 valiant men for forsaking him 2 Chr 28:6 120,000 120,000
131 The fall of Jerusalem 2 Chr 36:16-17 10,000
132 The Purim killings: God hath done these things Esther 2 - 9, 10:4 75,813 75,813
133 God and Satan kill Job's children and slaves Job 1:18-19 10 60
134 Hananiah Jer 28:15-16 1 1
135 Ezekiel's wife Ezek 24:15-18 1 1
136 Oh! Susanna Dan 13:6-62 2 2
137 Judith is blessed above all women (for cutting off a sleeping man's head) Judith 13:6-10 1 1
138 The Judith massacre: hang ye up this head upon our walls Judith 15:1-6 1,000
139 Mathathias's double murder 1 Mac 2:24-25 2 2
140 Mathathias and his friends slay the wicked sinners 1 Mac 2:44 100
141 God killed Andronicus, the sacrilegious wretch 2 Mac 4:38 1 1
142 A Jewish mob killed Lysimachus, the sacrilegious fellow 2 Mac 4:42 1 1
143 God helped Judas Machabeus destroy the wicked 1 Mac 3:1-26, 2 Mac 8:5-6 800 4,900
144 Judas and his unarmed men kill 3000 of Gorgias's soldiers 1 Mac 3:44-4:24 3,000 3,000
145 The Hanukkah killings 1 Mac 4:34-5:7 5,000 17,000
146 The Machabees brothers slaughter the heathens 1 Mac 5:21-51 11,000 37,000
147 Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their helper, they slew above nine thousand men 1 Mac 7:32-47, 2 Mac 8:24, 15:27 147,002 147,002
148 Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked out of Israel 1 Mac 9:46-49, 2 Mac 8:30-33, 10:61 1,000 1,200
149 Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and fireballs at the enemy 2 Mac 8:32-10:38 21,103 21,400
150 God killed Antiochus with an incurable bowel disease 2 Mac 9:5-28 1 1
151 Idumeans, traitors, and Jews in two towers 2 Mac 10:16-17 40,000 40,100
152 Nicanor's head: A manifest sign of the help of God 1 Mac 7:33-48, 2 Mac 15:1-35 35,000 35,000
153 Aliens at Cades 1 Mac 11:74 3,000 3,000
154 John burns to death 2000 in the tower of Azotus 1 Mac 16:10 2,000 2,000
155 God sent wasps to slowly destroy people Wisdom 12:8-9 1,000
156 Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:5-10 2 2
157 Herod Aggripa Acts 12:23 1 1
158 Jesus Rom 8:32, 1 Pet 1:1820 1 1
Totals 2,821,364 24,994,82

Real Toyou's picture
Abogenesis is life begets

Abogenesis is life begets life. I follow Jesus legalism is not the correct way to follow the law. He's all powerful but he hardly outlaws anything rather than having idols and killing god doesn't want to control our choices where were robots but let us freely choose.

Tell me one person that did deserve punishment. They were killing each other sacrificing each other to false idols evil to the poor treating each other bad. And god warned each and everyone of them before giving judgement. And again Nineveh had proof that Jonah came out the whale but believed him that god was going to destroy them for their evil.

Sheldon's picture
Oh dear, i think you mean

"Abogenesis is life begets life."

Oh dear, not even close, and I think you mean abiogenesis, not Abogenesis (sic), and abiogenesis is defined as the origin of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances.

David Killens's picture


"He's all powerful but he hardly outlaws anything rather than having idols and killing god doesn't want to control our choices where were robots but let us freely choose."

Not true. There are over 600 rules in the bible. Heck, some are even building codes, such as Deuteronomy 22:8 "When you build a new house, make a parapet around your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your house if someone falls from the roof."

I won't list all the rules, but here are most of them.

xenoview's picture

What objective evidence do you have for a God existing?

The bible is the claim, not the evidence.


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