Nineveh only heard and believed.warning this debate might convert you

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Sheldon's picture
There is no conclusive

There is no conclusive evidence he was ever here, and no evidence at all that if he was he was anything other than human.

Try again.

Sky Pilot's picture
Socialistview,

Socialistview,

"When Jesus comes back."

According to the biblical fairy tale a magic number of believers must be killed for their faith before Yeshua (Jesus) returns. He insists on it. People who want Yeshua to return should volunteer to be killed for their faith so that his magic number will be reached. It has been 2,000 years and the number is still low. But when the homicidal maniac does return he will destroy the environment, kill all life, and blow up the planet. I think we should wait for at least 5 billion years before he returns.

xenoview's picture
Socialistview

Socialistview

Still waiting for that debate to convert me.

The bible is the claim, not the evidence.

Reggie Cousar's picture
What are you looking for

What are you looking for physical evidence or the theology of the Bible in which that is how I'm trying to convert you. Jesus took his body up ressurrected so ya no bones.

David Killens's picture
@Socialistview

@Socialistview

"What are you looking for physical evidence or the theology of the Bible in which that is how I'm trying to convert you. Jesus took his body up ressurrected so ya no bones."

This god of yours has been around for forever, made this world, was a burning bush, caused floods and stuff to fall out of the sky and spoke to people in the past, and there's just nothing to prove it was even here?

The theology of the bible also encompasses genocide, making women second class and slavery. How do you integrate this bible into your personal beliefs?

Reggie Cousar's picture
I showed you scripture every

I showed you scripture every word old testament and new testament I go by.

David Killens's picture
@Socialistview

@Socialistview

"I showed you scripture every word old testament and new testament I go by."

Please correct me if I am wrong, but from your responses my interpretation is that you do not have any evidence, only scriptures from the bible?

Assertions with nothing to back them up are very empty.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Sociulaist View

@ Sociulaist View

" every word old testament and new testament I go by."

oh..interesting..what is it like stoning a young bride for not being a virgin? You must have done that a couple of times by now...and of course you will not be eating shellfish...but...it looks like you have cut your hair and your beard...both abominations in the sight of the Lord. And I do hope that your T shirt is pure cotton not a mixed fabric or you will be in even more trouble!

Any non believers or Muslims in your family? That could lead to trouble...with your imaginary Jesus.

Sky Pilot's picture
Socialistview,

Socialistview,

"I showed you scripture every word old testament and new testament I go by."

Even the Bible says that people shouldn't believe in Jewish fairy tales.

xenoview's picture
Socialistview

Socialistview

Yes, good old fashion objective evidence that your god is real. Evidence will have to come from outside of the Bible.

The Bible is the claim, not the evidence.

Sapporo's picture
In my view, if anything is

In my view, if anything is moral, it is anything which I see has a tangible benefit.

Also, you cannot prove something that is unobservable to be true by giving evidence of something that is observable.

Reggie Cousar's picture
Jesus says do exactly what he

Jesus says do exactly what he says.implement what he says and do them in life. And if it doesn't work then it's false, what the Bible is saying.

Sapporo's picture
Socialistview: Jesus says do

Socialistview: Jesus says do exactly what he says.implement what he says and do them in life. And if it doesn't work then it's false, what the Bible is saying.

According to some interpretations, Jesus advocated torture of those who did not worship him. According to other interpretations, hell is only a metaphor.

Can you go into detail about what Jesus said to do, and how you know he said and meant this?

Reggie Cousar's picture
I don't know that but

I don't know that but judgement won't come till after evidence is given.

Romans2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Grinseed's picture
That's the apostle Paul's

That's the apostle Paul's writings, not what Jesus said. Paul countermanded a lot of what the original 12 Petrine apostles taught, including Jesus's ruling that Mosaic Law, including circumcision for males, be followed. Paul, the failed Pharisaic wannabe priest also invented the devil, hell and the anti-Christ. You sure you understand what you're reading?

David Killens's picture
I asked you on your position

I asked you on your position on slavery. Since you did not respond to that query, and make this assertion, then the one and only conclusion I can arrive at is that you support slavery.

And murder, genocide, wife beating and other despicable acts.

Reggie Cousar's picture
Doesn't it say tho shall not

Doesn't it say tho shall not kill. Are you just looking at the acts face value and saying their despicable or was there a reason for God to do what he did?

CyberLN's picture
“THOU” shalt not kill, but

“THOU” shalt not kill, but apparently your god gets to do so at will and en masse.

David Killens's picture
In a previous statement you

In a previous statement you stated: "Jesus says do exactly what he says.implement what he says and do them in life."

Now you are starting to do the cherry-picking act, where just the passages that make you feel good are relevant.

The bible has many passages that describe how to own and what one can do with slaves. It also condones murder, as in Exodus 22:18 ... "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

So what is it Socialistview. Do you follow the entire bible literally, or do you just cherry-pick what is convenient and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling?

Reggie Cousar's picture
Jesus is the example of how

Jesus is the example of how to follow through law.

David Killens's picture
And your Jesus fully

And your Jesus fully supported and endorsed everything from the Old Testament.

Luke 16:17

It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Matthew 5:18

For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

John 7:19

Has not Moses given you the law?

So your jesus was very explicit, that he endorsed and adhered to the Old Testament, and especially the laws laid down by Moses. And since you now claim jesus is the example of how to follow the law, thus you also adhere to the Old Testament. The Old Testament that endorses slavery, genocide, and other horrors.

Sheldon's picture
"Jesus says do exactly what

"Jesus says do exactly what he says.implement what he says and do them in life. "

So you think slavery is morally acceptable then, Jesus did according to the bible. He said slaves should "obey their masters, even the cruel ones"?

My morality can't encompass such a barbaric and pernicious idea sorry, nor could I worship anyone or anything that did. Luckily no one has demonstrated any objective evidence that any diety exists, quoting biblical texts at me is no more compelling than quoting Harry Potter books, and claiming this is evidence magic and wizards are real.

Sky Pilot's picture
Socialistview,

Socialistview,

"Jesus says do exactly what he says.implement what he says and do them in life."

Yeshua said that you should cut off body parts and to gouge out your eyes to keep from sinning. How many of your body parts and eyes have you cut off and gouged out to keep from sinning?

Reggie Cousar's picture
I forgot what I was going to

I forgot what I was going to say but here is an apologetic which I think this time hits the point.

https://www.gotquestions.org/amp/God-killing.html

David Killens's picture
Question:

Question:

Is your god not all powerful and knows everything? Did your god not create this world knowing fully what would happen? Thus your god is responsible for everything that has ever happened, including all the murder, slavery, and other horrors.

Reggie Cousar's picture
So your saying if God is all

So your saying if God is all knowing could he had made a plan with no death and suffering?

Sheldon's picture
If a deity created everything

If a deity created everything, has limitless power and knowledge, then it would axiomatically be culpable for the outcome of it's creation. What kind of sadistic bungling incompetent deity would need to use a genocidal global flood to sort out it's creation turning into something it didn't like? Come to that how much confidence could one have in a deity that couldn't control just two humans in a perfect environment it created for them, but incomprehensible place a fruit bearing tree in, that it expressly didn't want them to touch? Or a deity that includes things like pain, predation, senility, bowel cancer, phlegm and tooth decay in it's creation?

Sapporo's picture
Socialistview: So your saying

Socialistview: So your saying if God is all knowing could he had made a plan with no death and suffering?

Like heaven, you mean?

Reggie Cousar's picture
What Jesus did

What Jesus did
Luke 6 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

3 Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” 5 Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.

9 Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”

10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

Sheldon's picture
You've been told repeatedly

You've been told repeatedly that quoting scripture is pointless, no book can validate it's own claims. If they could then quoting Harry Potter would represent evidence, or a compelling argument for wizards and magic.

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