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Why is it so hard to have faith in a creator. The subject of the topic is Nineveh only heard Jonah tell them he came from a whale and they believed him. Sign of Jonah Jesus exclaims to the Pharisees because they asked for a sign also and Jesus explains that there will be no sign from heaven till Jesus comes back and Nineveh only heard didn't see so not will you have historical evidence to back up your claim. The Bible is saying this is the way to live and how the universe works you have faith first not it's give to you then you decide if you want to believe or not. It says a wicked a adulterous keep asking for a sign and none will be given. But you do get supernatural miracles from Jesus himself as a Christian. He says he doesn't work like humans you have to believe God first then it will happen not the other way around. And that's how the Bible explains itself.
Sorry dude, all you are doing is making an appeal with absolutely nothing to back it up.
Socialistview,
"The Bible is saying this is the way to live and how the universe works you have faith first not it's give to you then you decide if you want to believe or not."
If you lived your life according to the silly ass biblical rules you would be in prison or in a lunatic asylum.
Socialistview,
"The Bible is saying this is the way to live and how the universe works you have faith first not it's give to you then you decide if you want to believe or not."
If you lived your life according to the silly ass biblical rules you would be in prison or in a lunatic asylum.
Socialistview,
"The subject of the topic is Nineveh only heard Jonah tell them he came from a whale and they believed him."
DO you know where Nineveh is? It's a long way from the sea. http://www.crystalinks.com/sumermap3.gif It's highly doubtful if even one person in Jonah's audience had ever been to the sea, let alone seen any kind of whale.
You should be an educated adult living in the year 2018. Don't be as dumb as some Middle Eastern peasant from 4,000 years ago. Even the Bible says that you shouldn't believe in Jewish fairy tales.
Because I'm a visitor in a foreign land. You can only please god by faith. Abraham was credit rightous by faith and not by works. We preach Christ crucified the rite of passage to being a Christian is having faith that you can move a mountain by believing you can.
Socialistview,
Yeshua said that if you had just a little faith that you could command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the sea and that it would obey you. Guess what? Not one person in human history has ever had any faith in that zombie because not one person has ever been able to pass that simple test. If you think you have faith in Yeshua (Jesus) walk outside and command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water. You won't be able to do it. So you are just BS'ing like everyone else has been for the past 2,000 years.
"being a Christian is having faith that you can move a mountain by believing you can."
This is just a religious cliche. The human propensity to maintain belief against all rational evidence is a reason to be very cautious about what we believe. It's a strong motivational tool of course, but motives by definition imply bias. It's obvious why this inerrant ability to fool or delude ourselves has a survival benefit in any number of circumstances, when it enables us to keep going when rationally we should give up, but of course no belief can therefore be validated by faith.
Socialistview
Good luck with moving a mountain with just faith. Make sure you video tape mountain moving.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis
http://www.talkorigins.org/
https://www.wired.com/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
Monkey see monkey do I mean your telling me it's not possible or mabe there's more to science and spirituality than we know now. The apostles did it and the first gentile Christian's. In this age of aquarious. Or you can't do it without Jesus or the holy spirit. Well we are from dirt.
@Socialistview: Well we are from dirt.
Speak for yourself. I'm recycled debris from dying stars. I'm the progeny of a complex stew of organic chemicals boiling and roiling around hydrothermal vents in the primeval oceans, under constant bombardment by meteors and comets bringing still more chemicals to the mix. It took trillions of experiments in billions of locations over hundreds of millions of years to form my first ancestor. Once life had started we began to learn new tricks. We grew backbones and brains, legs and jaws, eyes and ears. We experimented with sex (as adolescents do), and then our evolution really took off. Sexual reproduction is reserved for the strongest, prettiest, and smartest, and so my ancestors continued to evolve and improve through an unbroken chain of survivors that led eventually to the masterpiece that is me.
Or maybe a hairy old git in a bed sheet toga squirted lightning into a mud man.
Socialistview
Can you provide evidence outside of the bible that humans come from dirt.
I'm sure your parents had sex is how you got here.
Can they create a whole new species of live.
@Socialistview
"Can they create a whole new species of live."
Of course not .... yet. Your position is similar to the concept that if you left some mud out in the open and it was struck by lightning, there would be a 747 sitting there in the morning.
The creation of life and the conditions to extract evolution to higher forms is a long and complex one. But scientists and research labs are steadily knocking down the barriers of ignorance, and each day we are filling in the blanks. I suggest you do some reading, and get more informed. Because to me, it is much more plausible that life originated and evolved via the scientific explanations rather than "poof", god.
If you go down the path of pure "faith', then you do not have a grip on the truth. You can believe anything you desire. And it may not be true. Personally I prefer to walk the more difficult path of striving for truth over fiction.
In order to have a logical discussion about the Bible being true, it needs to be proven that the Bible is in fact true. This is simply not the case as science has proven many assertions in the Bible as being impossible. That being said, I realise that some people and places mentioned did exist, just not in the divinely inspired way.
I agree kevinr, but that is one of the weakest arguments possible because any Spiderman comic is also accurate in locations.
I believe that my statement was quite clear when I said "not in a divinely inspired way"
Faith is believing something without evidence, perhaps even contrary to the evidence. If I was to start having "faith", then there is no reason for me not to follow something other than god instead.
Why would I prefer to follow an alleged being who prefers faith to reason?
God says he's invisible why do you deny god again? Have you've ever read sun tzu as death ground even Darwin had faith he was correct by what he saw. Where coming closer to time traveling. It's like you come up with information of what you saw and then later someone proves it not reverse. It's like your trying to deny god so badly your going back to debunked theories just to deny god.
Darwin was an Atheist.
I don't deny God, you can't deny in something you don't believe in. As an Atheist I believe in zero gods.
If god said he's invisible, that would mean he's detectable. In truth, he said no such thing.
"Darwin had faith he was correct by what he saw. "
Yes, if only there were some objective method to validate such things, like oh I don't know, science?
This is moronic even for religious apologetics, you're rehashing every cliche in the apologists book.
"Where coming closer to time traveling."
Where? Do you mean to abbreviate we are?
"It's like your trying to deny god so badly your going back to debunked theories just to deny god."
Which deity are you talking about, and what objective evidence can you demonstrate for it? Until this happens there's nothing to debunk, unless you feel an overwhelming urge to debunk all the things you don't believe are real, like Zeus or Thor, or mermaids, or unicorns? Christ it must be exhausting for you to reverse the burden of proof like that.
Socialistview,
"God says he's invisible why do you deny god again?"
If you are discussing the biblical God Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, countless people saw him and had conversations with the lunatic. So he must have been lying when he said that he is invisible.
No one has seen Allah, the Arabian deity. He is completely imaginary.
Haven't you seen some of the African Gods? https://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/these-african-deities-are-the-best-gods-...
Still waiting for the debate that will convert me.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.express....
So you have to see it to believe it. Don't you ever think your thinking is wrong. I think your doing I believe this before I see it aswell. Not only that but your deny evidence of possibly more than is known to you in science right now. But though we have come to this belief because you haven't seen it it's like believing you something and by that thought stimulates increased muscle and blood flow in preparation of what your going to do. Of the cognitive we believe we can we can do something from evidence not from ourselves when we try it but you want to say if your not good your not good. Mabe faith is like going out to sea hoping to find new land. With your thinking America would never be discovered. Hebrews 11 talks about faith.
Incorrect. America was discovered (or rediscovered) by people who doubted those who said the world was smaller than it is (and perhaps to a lesser extent, those who doubted those who said the earth was flat, as it seems that educated opinion in the Middle Ages didn't generally think the world was flat).
Faith leads to individuals doing actions that are disproportionate to their risk.
Sapporo: America was discovered (or rediscovered) by people who doubted those who said the world was smaller than it is
The stories that I heard were America was rediscovered by Viking real estate crooks (Leif Erickson's father sold Greenland to schmucks by pretending it was a garden continent--hence the name) and a Genoese adventurer who was looking for a shortcut to Japan after reading in Marco Polo's book that the streets were paved with gold.
I don't think faith has resulted in any major discoveries. It's all about lebensraum and money.
So life might have come from clay. Still doesn't prove your God did it. Before you can say God did anything, you have to prove it is real.
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