First, i want everyone to know the story of the flood, is the story of Atlantis. The flood didnt cover the entire earth. The Ark of Noah-the medium of escape from the Deluge, and the mythic means of the perpetuation of the Human Family (afterwards Race). The Post-Diluvian 'Signs of the Zodiac' are here correctly designated as in number 'Twelve'. twelve times thirty are Three-Hundred-and-Sixty, which is not the number of the degrees of this symbolical plan. There are twelve divisions in this ark. The centre space is that through which the 'Dove', or 'Raven', escaped out into the 'open' in search of its new home, or into the restored world when the waters 'went down' or 'disappeared'. Each of the twelve spaces in the accompanying plan contains twenty-five degrees, which make an aggregate of three hundred degrees. The mythical figure contained
in the Ark is presumably that of Noah. It is also evidently the symbolical figure of the 'Saviour', and typically only that of Noah, for the hands are 'crossed', and the feet and hands bear the marks of the 'Incision'--the 'Nails of the Crucifixion (or Passion)'. Twenty-five, the number of the degrees in each space or sign of this 'Noachic Ark', Arca, or Chest (Gigantic), are the number of the Knights of the Garter; with the reserved 'twenty-sixth', or Kingly or Sovereign Seat. In this respect the ark may be regarded as the grand mythic 'Idea' of the 'Round Table'; as that was the production of the central mythic 'Idea' of the 'Sangreal', or 'Sangreil'
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No. Wrong.
Here is the true story of the Noahacian Flood.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/abraham-isaacishmael-s...
rmfr
You are contradicting your best friend "science". The story goes, Lemuria is the first ancient continent, the birth of civilization. Lemuria is sunken now, many years after it sank the Atlantian race has come to be(the original Semites). Noah was part of this Semitic race.
lemuria is now being accepted that it once existed by geologists.
I'm starting to lose patience with your scatter gun of unevidenced assertions.
Hitchens's razor applies.
I am a professional geologist. Specifically volcanologist.
And this is a statement of pure horse hoowhee. There are absolutely NO geologists who accept this assertion. NONE!!
rmfr
“The first clues to the continent’s existence came when some parts of the Indian Ocean were found to have stronger gravitational fields than others, indicating thicker crusts. One theory was that chunks of land had sunk and become attached to the ocean crust below.”
That's not how gravity works. Space-time is curved around the center of mass. Thus the curvature of space-time around Earth is determined almost entirely by its center of mass.
Am i the geologist that said that? no. But the fact that many geologists and other fields who also came to conclusion is irrefutable.
What journal was this research published in?
The concept and the name were proposed by 19th century traveler and writer Augustus Le Plongeon, (1825-1908), who claimed that several ancient civilizations, such as those of Egypt and Mesoamerica, were created by refugees from Mu - which he located in the Atlantic Ocean. Egypt was founded by Queen Moo, a refugee from the land's demise. Other refugees supposedly fled to Central America and became the Mayans.
James Churchward (1851-1936), though he believed Mu was once located in the Pacific. In books such as The Lost Continent of Mu (1931), wrote that the Motherland stretched from the Hawaiian Islands to Fiji and from Easter Island to the Marianas.
Edger Cayce readings refer to a lost continent in the Pacific by several names, but most often it is called Lemuria. Other names are Mu, Zu, and possibly Oz. Some of these may refer to provinces of the continent, or to portions left after a major break-up of the land. Lemuria sank into the sea. Some of the land area changed to what is now a portion of the Rocky Mountains - Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Utah.
Recently, scientists have made an incredible discovery east of Australia: A continent which has around 5 MILLION square kilometers, and it’s been hiding in plain sight for AGES. Only a small part of the continent—around 5 per cent—is visible today.
Experts suggest that today, only 5 percent of the once-mighty continent is visible, which is why researchers missed it in the distant past.
Also the the fossils of animals(like lemurs) etc.
You are going to trust papers written in ancient times? Wow! What those guys wrote about over 100 years ago is now know to be pure horse hoowhee.
Need citations.
Besides bathyspheric mapping of the ocean floor disproves this. However, if you are talking about the region around New Zealand, then yes, New Zealand was much larger. About 15,000+ years ago before the last interstadial Ice Age was in full swing.
However, if you wish to include the last Ice Age, then yes. Huge areas of land was lost as the sea levels rose. But that was many, many thousands of years before the times you are speaking of.
And the lemurs were NOT named after the lost continent of Lemuria.
The word lemur derives from the word lemures (ghosts or spirits) from Roman mythology and was first used to describe a slender loris due to its nocturnal habits and slow pace, but was later applied to the primates on Madagascar (Wikipedia).
See. I ain't just a geologist. My fields of study are actually manifold.
rmfr
I never got into the origins of the name lemur, I was trying to indicate how the same type of animals is seen in Africa+australia+india.
"However, if you wish to include the last Ice Age, then yes. Huge areas of land was lost as the sea levels rose. But that was many, many thousands of years before the times you are speaking of."
if you are using huge as another word for a continent, then yes.
What do you say about zircon crystals of the island’s beaches of india? they discovered that the crystals are up to 3 billion years old.
Study lead author Lewis Ashwal of the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa suggests that there are more parts of the “undiscovered continent” which is collectively called Mauritia spread across the Indian Ocean. He said : “According to the new results, this break-up did not involve a simple splitting of the ancient super-continent of Gondwana, but rather, a complex splintering took place with fragments of continental crust of variable sizes left adrift within the evolving Indian Ocean basin.”
Damnit! Wished I had not left most of my library in storage back in NC. In one of my textbooks, what you are referring to with the zircon crystals is completely wrong. I remember seeing the number being 1.97 Ga. Not 3 Ga.
What Lewis Ashwal may be referring to is the pieces of land that tore off of the Indian sub-continent as it literally ran away from Antarctica and Africa. Remember, 20 to 30 cm/yr is VERY FAST for any continental plate to move. And that is just the AVERAGE speed when considering the time/distance thing. It has been suggested that it may have been moving at 50 to 60 cm/yr at first and has slowed ever since. If this hypothesis is correct, a HUGE chuck of crust moving at that kind of speed is going to leave behind little pieces of dust as it goes racing off. Even at 20 to 30 cm/yr (India has slowed to about 5 to 8 cm/year), that is still quite fast.
And to be completely honest. I would love to time travel to back then. It must have been a hell of a sight with the land ripping apart at that kind of speed.
I think what you are talking about is the zircon crystals in Madagascar, NOT India. The crystals in Madagascar are about 800 Ma to 1 Ga older than the 60 Ma break off of India. And some are using this as evidence of a "sunken" continent in the Indian ocean.
And yes, there is a huge gravitational anomaly almost right there at India, meaning there is a "hole" in the Earth's gravitational field. This means the gravitational force there is stronger than anywhere else. However, as I said, the oceanic crust there is also more mafic than anywhere else.
https://i.imgur.com/cSJbhZt.jpg (fairly large image: 2961px × 1824px × 1.3MB) shows the gravity anomalies. The India one is the largest, but ain't the only one.
It's been fun, but got to go. Ta Ta.
rmfr
The Lemur, such as the Lemur catta or Ringtailed Lemur, is not native to nor does it exist in Australia. It is a mammal.It has brightly coloured rings on its tail.
The Hemibelideus lemuroides or Lemur-like ringtailed possum is native to Australia and is a marsupial (ie different species altogether, though smart arse travel writers one hundred years ago would not have appreciated that subtle difference). This possum has a tail that curls up like a ring and it ranges within a small area of northeast Queensland.
I am just a dumb arse atheist who enjoys reading about biology and science because all of nature is infinitely more interesting, useful and believable than anything supernatural, which is all bullshit, like Noah and the Flood.
Wrong. Also see post below. The western US was not uplifted due to Mu Zu Gai Pan sinking. It is due to the shallow angle of subduction of the Farallon Plate. We have actual seismic mappings of this plate underneath the North American plate. This has even trapped pockets of magma between the two plates. Thus the reason you had volcanoes throughout New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah. Even the Valles Grande is still somewhat active due to a trapped pocket of magma. Currently, we believe it has moved to the Socorro area because of the harmonic tremors we are detecting underneath in the Socorro area. Or, the Socorro tremors are another magma pocket that is trying to rise to the surface. Uh oh! Doomsday. Everybody move from Socorro. ;-P
We are even still detecting harmonic tremors up near Volcan Capitan. However, they are very low in intensity which is indicative of a magma pocket that is very deep. Thus, we feel it is dormant. That magma may be cooling down; thus, creating thermal shocks instead of actually rising to the surface. However, I cannot help but wonder if it is cooling, will form this big, gigantic geode many kilometers in diameter?
However, there is one thing us volcanologists always say, at least to each other, "Never. Ever. Count a volcano as being extinct." Except Devil's Tower in Wyoming. I think we can safely say that one is extinct. Or, can we?
rmfr
Please provide the source of your assertion.
Of course the oceanic crust has higher gravitational fields that do the landform assemblages. I already know that. That is part of basic geomorphology. Care to inform me why the oceanic crust is "thicker" than other oceanic crust?
Actually it is not significantly thicker than the oceanic crust in the Pacific. It is higher in mafic basalt than other slower moving oceanic crusts such as that in the Atlantic. It is higher in mafic basalt due to the fact that the Indian sub-continent which broke away from what is now Antarctica and Africa, it went racing towards the Asian continental plate at an astonishing 20 to 30 cm/yr. Twice as fast as any plate is moving today. Of course it has since slowed down significantly since plowing into the Asian continent, creating the Himalayas.
That kind of speed is going to pull more mafic rich basalt up from rift zone that is being pulled apart (also called MORs (Mid-Oceanic Ridges)). This mafic rich basalt means it has a much higher concentration of magnesium and iron. Thus it has a greater gravitational force. Remember density does play a part in the Law of Universal Gravitation. The more dense something is, the more massive it is. The more massive it is, the more gravitational force it will possess.
There was no continent which sunk in the Indian Ocean making the crust thicker. The only place the crust is thicker is at land to land subduction zones. Currently, the crust under the Himalayas is thicker than anywhere else on this Earth. And the Tibetan Plateau, a region almost two-thirds the area of the United States, yet it is all 14,000+ feet in elevation. Underneath the Tibetan Plateau is the rest of the Indian sub-continent which raised that very large area to such elevations through a process known as isostasy.
Large fields of landform assemblages, such as the western United States, are the result of one plate subducting at a very shallow angle. The thinner the mountain range, the steeper the angle of subduction. A very good example of this is the Andes Mountains. Look in the section around Bolivia. That "wider" range of mountains indicates that section of the Nazca Plate is subducting at a shallower angle than along the rest of the Andes.
The western United States, in a line going from New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana, owe their elevation to very large piece of the Farallon Plate subducting under the North American Plate at a shallow angle and creating the higher elevations due to isostasy.
Okay, that is enough. You should know I know what I am talking about. You, sir, do NOT. Me thinks you need research more in places more correct.
rmfr
Edit: Corrected isotasy to isostasy.
Goddamn, son. Preach!
you literally are a walking contradiction. How can you dismiss what I aforementioned, when only now scientists are exploring more of the deep oceans? You make it seem like you cracked the case or something. The University of Australia hasn't dismissed the theory of sunken continent, but you are?
And where at the University of Australia do they teach this? I am familiar with Professor Peel. You know, the guy who helped to make this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_K%C3%B6ppen_Classification_(with_authors).svg
Where are the journal-articles about this? You know, since I am scientist, I have free access to all journal-articles that are submitted for peer-review. I'll be the first to admit that I only download and read a very small percentage of them. But I do and can see the titles and abstracts of all of them.
I have yet to see any journal-articles under the subject geology submitted about "sunken" continents. Let alone the continents of Atlantoss, Mu Zu Gai Pan, Lewormia, Mauratania, etc. Or, whatever they are named.
rmfr
Edit: Had to fix link.
2nd Edit: Took a while to find this https://www.hydrol-earth-syst-sci.net/11/1633/2007/hess-11-1633-2007.pdf Peel also worked on this journal-article.
"The University of Australia hasn't dismissed the theory of sunken continent, "
Argument from authority (Latin: argumentum ad verecundiam), also called the appeal to authority, is a common form of argument which leads to a logical fallacy. The appeal to authority relies on an argument of the form: A is an authority on a particular topic.
Could you link the research that evidenced PLEASE??? HELLO ANY EVIDENCE COMING? EVER?
This one is a waste of space proselytiser. Why can't you clowns find a pulpit to preach from.
"One theory was that chunks of land had sunk and become attached to the ocean crust below.”"
Oh ffs! That is barking mad nonsense.
Is there any way I could possible survive this facepalm?
@zuzu: ALL land is attached to the ocean crusts. And it does not sink to become attached. It is usually eroded to below the surface. The Hawai'i Island chain is perfect example of this.
Aw, Fuck It!
***king-sized facepalm***
rmfr
That is a lot of assertions. On what basis do you make those assertions? How do you know those things are true?
^^^^ What he said...
rmfr
Uh, if the world was not covered in water, then why did Noah need to build a giant boat? Why not just head for higher ground?
Did i not say the story of the flood occurred in Atlantis(or stories being similar)?
E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E....
Does it matter where it takes place? You can always head for higher ground if the entire world does not "flood."
Here's what actual science says about the flood stories.
They're nonsense. You can start with the genetic problems they present since that's what my background is in.
Alright, what was the atmosphere during Noah's time?
what is the oldest haplogroup and what is its subclade?
zuzu! You write pure woowoo!
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