A Question for ROYISM

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Tin-Man's picture
@Roy

@Roy

Re: “So what? Someone can be born in a family of scientists and yet be a hardcore creationist! Would that lend any credence to his arguments against evolution????”

…*beaming smile on face*… *clapping excitedly*… Oh boy-oh boy-oh boy!!! It is another round of The Non-Sequitur Game! Yay! My most favoritist game ever!... *performing happy feet dance*… And before you even say it, I already know I can never be the expert that you are at this game. Your evasive abilities are absolutely sublime… *dreamy look in eyes*… Nevertheless, you inspire me. Therefore, I simply MUST make the effort to at least TRY to better myself in this ancient practice you have so skillfully mastered. Here we go…

You: “Numerous scientific studies conducted by independent research facilities and universities have shown that those who smoke cigarettes are at a much greater risk of developing various forms of cancer.”

Me: “Oh, sure. So they say. However, have you ever considered all the testing that has been done showing how easily kidney failure could be avoided by simply not drinking concentrated lye solution? After all, a person can smoke a dozen packs of cigarettes a day, but there is very little doubt that person’s kidneys will completely fail if he/she drinks a large glass of concentrated lye solution. In which case, obviously, your entire argument of cancer being caused by smoking is totally immaterial.”

Such a fun game… *grinning*…

Re: “And he [Seek3R] called me a ‘hypocrite’ in addition to a stream of expletives punctuating his statements. I don’t indulge in such things. But frankly, I don’t mind.”

…*shocked look on face*… WHAT??? A hypocrite?!?... Oh, how DARE he! Don’t worry, though. I will definitely have a talk with that young man and get his ass straightened out in this matter. How could he possibly be so blind? After all, I am fairly certain that most everybody else on this site knows you are actually a Defender of Pedophiles and a Condoner of Homosexual Executions. His calling you a hypocrite is simply insulting and unacceptable. Hmph! The nerve of some people… *shaking head in disapproval*…

Re: “However, if you are going to be talking of stature, honor and stuff like that, I find it wanting.”

Awww… Once again, you say the sweetest things… *blushing*… As I have told you before, though, flattery does not work on me. Even so, compliment noted. By the way, I am really curious about something, if you don’t mind my asking. How on Earth do you keep from getting a permanent crick in your neck, or from going totally cross-eyed, while you constantly look down your nose at everybody in smug self-important arrogance? Is it just a natural ability you have, or do you have to conduct extensive training to acquire and maintain such amazing abilities? Inquiring minds want to know. And before you even say it, I already know what you are thinking: “But, Tin-Man, you are one of the most annoyingly arrogant, sarcastic, condescending smart-ass members on this site.”… *blushing again*… Aw, shucks… *waving hand in dismissal*… Please, enough with the flattery already. It’s embarrassing… *bashful grin*… Still, I suppose I understand what you are saying in a way. “Pot calling the kettle black”, right? Well, I would almost tend to agree with that were it not for one tiny little difference. That difference being I stand up and own who/what I am. I will be the FIRST to tell somebody I am a sarcastic asshole, because I (sometimes) believe in giving fair warning… *chuckle*… YOU, on the other hand, come trotting in here on your high-horse with your air of pious superiority boasting on and on about how you do not use foul language and how you are “above” using insults and belittling others. In reality, though, you lurk behind your thin veil of gratuitous “good manners” (which, by the way, barely conceals your pompous arrogance) and you criticize others for answering questions and stating their views clearly and directly simply because an individual may have used a word or two that you find to be “offensive”. Interestingly enough, it should be noted you seem to do that most often when confronted with a question and/or statement you would prefer to avoid. And all the while you often make it a point of reminding us all of how incredibly humble and respectful you are to others. So, if YOU find my talk of stature and honor “wanting”… *struggling not to bust out in laughter*… I am fairly confident I will somehow manage to survive your, um, failed attempt at a backhanded insult… *snicker-giggle*… If it makes you feel any better, though, I find your talk of humble modesty and respect for others to be incredibly hilarious… *chuckle*… Oh, before I forget, though, I really want to thank you for being here on this site with us. As I may have mentioned before, it is always wonderful having a representative of your caliber demonstrating for everybody the truly subversive and corrosive nature of your religion. Your efforts are truly appreciated.

Sheldon's picture
ROYISM "

ROYISM "
Seek3R here was actually born and raised in a Muslim family in a PREDOMINANTLY ISLAMIC country.”

So what?"

So it's a bit fucking rich you telling him he doesn't understand Islamic tradition you tool, and fyi you are setting yourself up as expert by implying your subjective opinion is right, that is an appeal to authority fallacy if ever there was one, so doubly ironic.

Leper's picture
@Tin-Man

@Tin-Man

You should take part more in religious debates between religious people. Then you'd know that the fact that someone has been a Muslim is as significant as a speck of dust when it comes to providing information about the religion. The same applies to all religions. This is true whether a person is a Muslim/Christian /Jew now or has been before.

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: RE: "Then you'd

@Leper: RE: "Then you'd know that the fact that someone has been a Muslim is as significant as a speck of dust when it comes to providing information about the religion."

MY POINT EXACTLY!!! - You know fuck shit nothing about Islam and the fact you are professing to be a Muslim while expounding all this utter and complete nonsense just makes you look like an ignorant speck of dust when it comes to providing any kind of information at all about the religion.

WOW! A POINT OF COMPLETE AGREEMENT! AWESOME POST!

David Killens's picture
"'If somebody (a Muslim)

"'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him"

Stating this once is one time too many, and a valid excuse for any fanatic to carry it out.

Even if one hundred following passages are contrary to this one statement, that does not change or absolve the original statement. If I kill one person, and do not kill the next hundred, I am still guilty of murder.

Randomhero1982's picture
I think Sean Carroll summed

I think Sean Carroll summed it up well in his debate on theism vs naturalism, in stating that if this was the divine written word of God, it should be clear and not subject to interpretation.

However, under naturalism you would expect people to have conflicting beliefs and holy books to be mish-mash of some good and some awful ideas.

Furthermore, they would be open to interpretation and completely subjective.

Seek3R's picture
As Cognostic has said, FUCK

As Cognostic has said, FUCK ALLAH ISLAM AND MUHAMMAD.

End of the story.

Leper's picture
@Seek3R

@Seek3R

"As Cognostic has said, FUCK ALLAH ISLAM AND MUHAMMAD.

End of the story."

Now I understand why they say you "fear for your life".

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: At no point can

@Leper: At no point can "Fuck Allah, Islam and Muhammad." be warped into any kind of threat on someone's life. The expression directly points to the BULLSHIT contained in your ignorant religious beliefs. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE ARE TO REALISTICALLY LOOK AT THOSE FUCKING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.....

Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99 (All the atheists on the site are evil!)

Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 (All the atheists on the site are losers.)

So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161 (You are compelled by Allah and your religion to curse the Atheists on this site.)

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. 2:191-2 (All the atheists on this site must be killed.)

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a (The atheists on the site must convert or die.)

Of course you will have to kill any and all wrongdoers as well. (Any atheists out there do any wrong this week?) 2:193b

Everything above is your "duty to allah." If you fail in your duty to allah, you will burn in hell. 2:206

NOW THOSE ARE SOME ACTUAL THREATS. NOT ONLY ARE THEY THREATS BUT THEY HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY MUSLIM BELIEVERS.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: "Of course you will

@Cog Re: "Of course you will have to kill any and all wrongdoers as well. (Any atheists out there do any wrong this week?)"

Well, if we all MUST confess, then I'm afraid I am guilty of leaving the toilet seat up one evening after taking a piss. Wife was not pleased. Guess it's the ol' Eternal Pool of Flames for me. Dammit. Where do I go to line up for my beheading?

R F's picture
Dear Royism,

Dear Royism,

I'd like to recommend a book for you. The God Virus

Nyarlathotep's picture
Royism - Secondly, about

Royism - Secondly, about Islamic penal code. Penal codes are there for crimes such as murder, rape etc. This has got nothing to do with belief.

lol

Sheldon's picture
Leper

Leper

Seek3R "As Cognostic has said, FUCK ALLAH ISLAM AND MUHAMMAD. End of the story."

Now I understand why they say you "fear for your life".

You mean because despite their hubris, adherents of archaic superstitions go mental and resort to acts of abhorrent violence whenever anyone criticises them. Still at least that fear is rational, unlike the hilariously absurd idea of fearing what happens after they die.

Leper's picture
No. But when someone behaves

No. But when someone behaves in a disrespectful and aggressive manner toward the people around them they are looking for trouble and they well find it.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Tin Man

@ Tin Man

And that's it the Super Duper WOW! Irony Meter just exploded.
I give up, short of using 100% titanium and blast steel I can see how it can withstand such an onslaught.

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: "And that's it

@Old Man Re: "And that's it the Super Duper WOW! Irony Meter just exploded."

Soooo... What you are saying is that I have been walking around with this thing plugged into my ass for nothing?... *looking at meter*... Well, damn. Yep, dead as a door nail... *shaking head sadly*... Tell ya what, though, I'm just glad it had that built-in surge protector that prevents feedback to the power source. Even with that, though, I still felt an unusual "tingle" when it overloaded.... *shudder*...

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Leper - "But when

Re: Leper - "But when someone behaves in a disrespectful and aggressive manner toward the people around them they are looking for trouble and they well find it."

Geeee... Ya think?

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: "But when someone

@Leper: "But when someone behaves in a disrespectful and aggressive manner toward the people around them they are looking for trouble and they well find it."

THEN I STAND MY GROUND. FUCK ISLAM, THE QUARAN, AND ALLAH. YOU FOLLOW A RELIGION OF DISRESPECT.

Don't bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7

The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89

"For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104

Disbelievers are losers. 2:121

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101

Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144

Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

Your only friends should be Allah, Muhammad, and those who believe correctly (Muslims). 5:55

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70

Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111

Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37

Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59

Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9

The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55

Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

AND this goes on and on and on and on..... You want to talk "DISRESPECT" open your frigging religious text and start reading.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cog

@ Cog

Ah c'mon Cog. Leper's already told us that there are several different ways of understanding those passages....for instance

"those who disbelieve will be forced to drink poor quality Pinot Noir, and will face a painful intestinal cramp. 6:70"

and of course the one I like "Unbelievers will be tickled all over with Peacock Feathers. When their giggles have finished, a hot shower with aloe vera gel will be provided. 4:56"

Another favourite is "Don't fuck goats" 2:221

So you can see Cog, you are the bigot when you do not understand the archangel Humpty Dumpty's sacred words:
When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all." ( Lewis Carroll)

So no more disrespect you heathen.

Cognostic's picture
@Old man shouts ... DAMN!

@Old man shouts ... DAMN! I never thought of it that way before. What an utter ass I have been.

Don't bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7 (Torture is a synonym for tickle. Obviously!)

The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89 (But everyone believes in something so no one is really cursed. If you can't see that you are just reading it wrong.)

"For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104 ("Painful Doom" A brand of cigarettes Allah will pass out to the smokers.

Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 (But we all lose sometime so it's not really saying anything bad. Just stating the obvious for that time and place. Perhaps they were playing kick the goat head with one of Muhammad's teams. )

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 (We already went over this. Everyone believes something so killing disbelievers is really just doing away with zombies who have lost the capacity for thought as well as belief. It certainly does not pertain to Christians, Jews, pagans, or you and me.)

Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221 (It does not mean "marriage to non-believers." It is a warning for ignorant Muslims not to marry chickens, sheep, pigs, goats, camels and cows. Remember; Alllah frowns on sex outside of marriage. He does not want this (see video) happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv-RRjo1oBs

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19 (This is just a promise made to masochists taken out of context. If you are into that sort of thing, it is really a reward.)

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 (Absolutely! Never stop at simple friendships. Become bumper buddies, one night stands, and friends with benefits. This passage simply warns the believers not to limit their options.)

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 This is the same message for the sadists. The sadists hate you and want to ruin you if you are an Islamic masochist. Bend over and take it like a man. "Knowing the context is everything!)

OMG.. Thank's Old Man. I have seen the light. Praise Be to Allah and the Pornographic messages of the Quaran. I think I will go watch some Porn now. Anyone seen my Pig Nose? I really miss my pig nose.

cranky47's picture
That claim is a broad

That claim is a broad generalisation and untrue.. There is no stipulated punishment for apostasy in Islam.

However,, I think the death penalty may exist in some extreme places, such as Saudi Arabia. Certainly not true as a general principle in other Islamic countries, such as say Malaysia , Indonesia and Turkey. Lots of Muslims in Oz too. Have never heard of any Muslim being even punished for leaving Islam .

Although, far from ideal in some countries, Muslim apostates are not killed. In Malaysia a person who becomes a Muslim apostate may be put in prison for 2 years, if anyone bothers to report them.

Perhaps have a go at checking checking your facts before making silly claims; makes you seem bigoted.

Below is a link about countries which still have laws against apostasy

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/29/which-countries-still-o...

Below is a link to blasphemy laws in Indonesia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Indonesia

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cranky

@ Cranky

Yes, lets have a go at fact checking shall we?

From the Humanist Society However, in 12 countries around the world “apostasy”, which is the act of leaving religion, is punishable by death.These countries are: Afghanistan, Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen.

Have never heard of any Muslim being even punished for leaving Islam .

Maybe you lived in the few areas that don't have such punishments....

Regarding Malaysia I cite in full :

Punishments can also include up to 36 months incarceration in a "religious Rehabilitation Camp", whipping, imprisonment...just for the temerity to ask to renounce Islam. For a full list of punishments and how the law in Malaysia actively PREVENTS apostasy despite "freedom of Religion' being enshrined in the constitution: https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b6fe2b0a.pdf

There is an active movement to restore "hudud" in Malaysia courtesy MalayMail: KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 9 — Islam prescribes death against Muslims who leave the religion for atheism, if they are “stubborn” and refuse to repent, according to Negri Sembilan mufti Datuk Mohd Yusof Ahmad.
However, he conceded that Shariah courts in the country cannot yet implement such punishments, and as such religious authorities must redouble their efforts to curb the spread of atheism, Malay daily Sinar Harian reported today.
“If they are still stubborn, then the individual must be punished by death. That is the consensus of Muslim scholars,” he was quoted saying.

Hmmmm....

CyberLN's picture
Cranky47, you wrote, “Perhaps

Cranky47, you wrote, “Perhaps have a go at checking checking your facts before making silly claims; makes you seem bigoted.”

How can someone possibly be a bigot for demonstrating distaste for a religion, much less just getting some facts askew? Islam is not a person. Islam is not a nationality. Islam is not a skin color.

Leper's picture
@CyberLN

@CyberLN

"How can someone possibly be a bigot for demonstrating distaste for a religion, much less just getting some facts askew? Islam is not a person. Islam is not a nationality. Islam is not a skin color."

Definition of 'a bigot' from wordnik:
"One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
n.
. A hypocritical professor of religion; a hypocrite; also, a superstitious adherent of religion.
n.
A person who is obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular religious or other creed, opinion, practice, or ritual; a person who is illiberally attached to any opinion, system of belief, or party organization; an intolerant dogmatist."

CyberLN's picture
Leper, I’m completely

Leper, I’m completely intolerant of nazism, misogyny, rape, elitism, entitlement, fascism, ethnocracy, the antivax movement, drunken driving, and I could go on...I guess I’m just a terrible bigot.

Leper's picture
So it would seem. The value

So it would seem. The value is not recognizing your faults but in fixing them.

CyberLN's picture
How would you suggest one fix

How would you suggest one fix an intolerance of, say, nazism?

Leper's picture
You should take another look

You should take another look at the definition I quoted for you. I'll highlight the important parts.

Definition of 'a bigot' from wordnik:
"One who is STRONGLY PARTIAL TO ONE'S OWN GROUP, religion, race, or politics and is INTOLERANT OF THOSE WHO DIFFER.
n.
. A hypocritical professor of religion; a hypocrite; also, a superstitious adherent of religion.
n.
A person who is obstinately and UNREASONABLY WEDDED to a PARTICULAR religious or other creed, OPINION, practice, or ritual; a person who is ILLIBERALLY attached to ANY OPINION, SYSTEM OF BELIEF, or party organization; an intolerant dogmatist."

Tin-Man's picture
Wow! That's fantastic! It

Wow! That's fantastic! It looks as though Leper has thoroughly defined Islam and Christianity. Way to go, Lep!... *thumbs up*...

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: Re: definition of

@Leper: Re: definition of "Bigot."

Which of those definitions are you imagining do not fit you or the posts you have made? I am in complete agreement with the definitions. Each and every one of them seem to describe you and your ignorant belief system perfectly well. Where am I wrong?

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