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Sheldon's picture
chimp3 "We still have not

chimp3 "We still have not overcome the Stud/ Slut dichotomy, although I like to think we are a bit more equitable than we were in 1950."

The point is that on the whole religions have and are retarding that progress both directly, and indirectly with indoctrinated propaganda about gender roles.

Sheldon's picture
John 6IX Breezy "Compare it

John 6IX Breezy "Compare it to the evolutionary narrative that views men as wanting to spread their seed far and wide, looking at the short-term while woman are interested in the long-term. Why make a religion that goes contrary to that, and requires sexual fidelity to one woman for life?"

Off the top of my head because it is based on ignorance and superstition that would have been wholly unaware of evolutionary drives and what they meant, religion that was thought up by bronze age tribes dominated by patriarchs who had no interest in what was best for women or the individual.

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
So they had no interest in

So they had no interest in what's best for woman, they just accidently created a religion that favors her and discourages a man's stereotypical sex drive?

chimp3's picture
Christians did not invent

Christians did not invent monogamy.

Sheldon's picture
Nope, they created a

Nope, they created a misogynistic barbaric racist xenophobic homophobic shitstain, some people have added some stuff to try and soften it a little as our morals improved and they realised how obscene most of it was.

"accidently created a religion that favors her"

By tying women to an abusive violent drunk until she dies by refusing her a divorce, or refusing women an abortion after she's been raped by a violent incestuous father. Or treating women as chattel and trafficking them as sex slaves?

You and I unsurprisingly see your religion very differently, but then I am not blindly defending the indefensible. Here's a list of how your bible treats women:

2:22 Eve created from Adam’s rib.
3:16 Cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
4:17 Cain marries sister?
4:19 Man marries two wives.
12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk. (So much for “family values”!)
20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again.
25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.

20:17 Wife as property.
21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex.
Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without payment of money.
22:18 Kill witches.

12:1 Childbirth a sin, Women unclean after childbirth.
15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions.
21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
21:9 Burn daughters.
21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman.

1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count.
5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband.
31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
CH 12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.

20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated for depreciation of his property.
25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis.
24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry “used” woman.
28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed – eclectic “pro-life” verse!

5:30 Women are spoils of war.
14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives.
21:21 Abducted girls for wives.

Ruth shags Boaz.

15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.

5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father’s concubines.
6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.

11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.

15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.

CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting “bad” example to all other women.

51:5 Sinful since conception.
127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.

CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
CH 7 More of the above.
6:24 As above.
31:3 Do not waste strength on women.

3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
4:4 Filthy women.
13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)

9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity…
CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters – reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren’t told this story at Sunday school!

13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another “pro-life” verse!)

3:4… wanton lust of a harlot… prostitution… witchcraft.
3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
3:13… Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)

5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same?
CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.

2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.

11:2-10… Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.

2:11-15 Woman must not have authority…she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.
5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’ feet.

2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
3:1 Wives submit.
3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
14:4…they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure.

chimp3's picture
Electro-convulsive therapy is

Electro-convulsive therapy is still used when other therapies are unsuccessful. It can be very effective and is no longer the cruel practice portrayed in "One flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest". It is applied under anesthesia.

It is not used to treat homosexuality however. The best treatment for homosexuality is to go full speed ahead. Don't look back and fly your flag with pride.

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
Pay close attention and you

Pay close attention and you'll notice that people also use the term shock therapy in reference to aversion therapy, not just electroconvulsion. Using electricity as a negative stimulus, to make someone unlearn a behavior.

UmmHurayra's picture
Assalamu alaikum, Hello

Assalamu alaikum, Hello everyone. I am new here. I am a Muslim female from South Africa. I read your comments and as much as I disagree, for obvious reasons I feel you just need some guidance. First off, why do some of your use foul language , such as f word and describing certain parts of the female anatomy, that is offensive to me. Don't your rules in this site state that you shouldn't use such language?
The other thing I would like to say, stop generalising about all religions. All religions are not the same. And whatever you saw ,read and heard about Islam, please disregard it. You cannot look at the Muslims around you and think that represents Islam. That just isn't fair. And don't turn to some online version of the Quran, I have read these online verses and I can tell you it is not accurate. I think most of you are misguided when it comes to what Islam is about. Which I don't blame you for. You need good unbiased knowleable Muslims explaining the deen to you but I know that is hard to find. Even as a Muslim my search was painful but with perseverance I am at a place now I feel at peace with.

chimp3's picture
Peace be with you too!

Peace be with you too! Speaking of peace, before you try and tell me what Islam truly is, get the Sunni's and Shiites to stop killing each other.

And, I will use what ever language I fucking want to. You are not my mommy!

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Thanks for your input, and welcome to the AR. However, if foul language bothers you, then tough shit. Either get the fuck over it or close your eyes when you read. I will use whatever fucking language I damn well please. Have a nice day. *Big Smile*

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@ UmmHurayra

@ UmmHurayra
1) Your moniker name is not suitable for quick replies.
2) I will use whatever fucking language I choose to and YOU will not edit or censor my speech. If it offends you tough shit.
3) Don't tell me that Islam is a religion of peace. It was created by threatening people with death if they didn't convert. The penalties for "crimes" are all barbaric and have nothing to do with justice.
4) Islam is the most female oppressive religion in world history. Denying education among other things. Not treating women like equal citizens among other things, treating women like property among other things, treating women victims like criminals among other things are all hallmarks of islam.
So FUCK islam!

UmmHurayra's picture

Firstly if you have a problem with my nickname then it is what it is, YOUR problem. Get off your high horse and stop judging whatever does or doesn't suit you, but then hypocritically bash me for expressing my opinion on the use of foul language. Peace is not just the absence of violence, peace starts within the mind. You may not be physically violent toward anyone but your lack of consideration for anyone else's opinion besides yours shows you lack social skills and are intolerant. So how different are you from these radicalists who scream blue murder whenever someone dares differ in beliefs and opinion?

mykcob4's picture
Get off MY HIGH HORSE. You

Get off MY HIGH HORSE. You are the one making demands about language and demanding censorship. YOU are the one assuming people think you are a terrorist. YOU are the one calling people illiterate and ignorant. You rode in here on a fucking high horse lady. You better look in a mirror to find that hypocrite you are talking about.

UmmHurayra's picture

I apologised to chimp3 for my statement about being illiterate. So no need for you to bring that up again.
It is only most natural I would have assumed(as I had just arrived on this site)
that people on here would call me a terrorist، if you read most of the comments made by them about how "violent" Muslims are, what else would you expect me to think?

UmmHurayra's picture

For one I did NOT come in here riding on my high horse. Just because I mentioned I feel offended by the use of the word p*ssy does not mean I believe I am better than anyone. I am a woman! Please talk last about hypocrisy, you Sheldon and most of you here dare call me a hypocrite? Are you kidding me?
The true hypocrisy lies in the fact that you people talk NONSTOP about how women are "degraded" in Islam , what did you say again? They are treated like property , they raped murdered ,subjugated etc etc etc. None of those things are mentioned in the Quran and hadith by the way. You relying on what so-called Muslim idiotic misogynistic men in Islamic states are doing to their women to use as "evidence" for your bashing...and then YOU use the word Pussy referring to a woman's genitalia, the most PRIVATE part of a woman, thinking that is absolutely fine and okay. And that no woman, whether religious or atheist must feel offended because YOU self centredly think because this is am atheist forum and you are an atheist so automatically you can push people around and force YOUR opinions on them. The moment anyone disagrees or says anything you don't like you act like you having a seizure. This is not YOUR planet. We are all different and we all have different opinions. And as much as you have a right to say what angers or annoys or offends you , so do I! And talking about "p*ssy" on a public platform and not in your bedroom at home to me IS degrading and humiliating to women. Drop the double standard!

mykcob4's picture
Fuck THAT UmmHurayra!

Fuck THAT UmmHurayra!
You have the right to not like my language. You certainly can express your disapproval of my language, but you DO NOT and I emphasize, DO NOT have the right to tell me what to do anywhere or anytime

UmmHurayra's picture

So where is it stated in Quran and/or hadith that women are denied education ? How are they oppressed and where does it state women are property of men and where does it state they are equivalent o criminals? You are quick to say show evidence for this and that, but you full of blind hatred toward Islam making all sorts of claims which you cannot back up with. Please don't tell me how the Muslim women are being treated in Islamic states , that is not evidence at all. Where in the Quran are people threatened with death of they don't convert? I posted hadith on this forum where our Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, declared war on anyone who takes away the rights of disbelievers and nonmuslims within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. So how , are disbelievers threatened? It seems you will believe whatever you choose to, no matter what you are shown. Fine, drown in your own hatred.

UmmHurayra's picture
Unfortunately , and

Unfortunately , and especially amongst the salafi Muslims, we find many misogynists. They are one of the reasons why I left the salafis. They are extreme in their views and do act as if women are beneath them. If you really think Islam allows women to be treated as property, would it be haraam for a man to leave his wife dissatisfied? Yes that's correct, it is haraam(forbidden) for a husband to leave his wife dissatisfied. An entire chapter in the Qur'an is dedicated to the woman. If one contemplates the true meaning of the Qur'an, you will find in it your salvation. It's not unfair, biased or prejudiced. It was sent down as a mercy, because people were living like barbarians. There was no order, no respect for women. In the pre-Islamic era a man could take plenty of wives. Women were treated like objects and wives weren't treated equally. Of course, there are some men in polygamous marriages now still who don't treat their wives fairly and equally, but Allah says in the Qur'an if you cannot be just and equal with your four wives then take one(wife). So, whether men adhere to this or not, is not a reflection on whether the deen(religion) is fair to women or not. If men followed Allah's Words , their wives would be less frustrated. If a man took the time to satisfy his wife, she would be less irritable, less naggy.

chimp3's picture
The best way for a man to

The best way for a man to bring a woman to orgasm is with cunnilingus. Is that forbidden?

mykcob4's picture

Fuck the Quran it is a book of pure fiction!

Sheldon's picture
A deeply unpleasant fiction

A deeply unpleasant fiction at that.

UmmHurayra's picture
Is that the best you can do?

@mykcob Is that the best you can do? Is that the only language you understand? Its ironic you atheists call Muslims barbaric and yet you come across as uncivilised. You can't even disagree with someone in a civilised manner.

UmmHurayra's picture

I don't mean to be rude but you come across as illiterate

chimp3's picture
If I was illiterate would I

If I was illiterate would I be responding to your post? I am not a person of a book. I am a person of many books.

Sheldon's picture
UmmHurayra "I don't mean to

UmmHurayra "I don't mean to be rude but you come across as illiterate"

You might want to punctuate that sentence, or we'll need to replace yet another irony meter. A word of advice, don't start your first post by telling people how can they post or what they can say, foul language or not free speech is more important than anyone's pious sensibilities. Also don't lecture us on the Koran and Islam, show us some objective evidence that any of it is true, or that your deity is any less of a fiction than the rest.

Calling Islam the religion of peace is a pointless and condescending waste of time. The koran advocates violence repeatedly.

UmmHurayra's picture

Do you want me to "show" God to you? Do you want to see Him ? Hear him? What kind of evidence is it that you need? Tell me

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"Do you want me to "show" God to you? Do you want to see Him ? Hear him?"
Well, that would be a start ....

UmmHurayra's picture
A person of many books. Yet

A person of many books. Yet you need to resort to foul language to express yourself. That shows your level of intellect.

chimp3's picture
Some of my favorite books

Some of my favorite books contain "foul" language. Have you ever read "Naked Lunch" or "Fear of Flying" ?

Jared Alesi's picture
It shows your level of

It shows your level of intellect that you think an innocuous word that means nothing and is used as a mode of emphasis is somehow worse than any other word. The word fuck is just a word, worthy of no judgement beyond its use in context. In the context of this forum and others like it, fuck is used as emphasis and occasionally as an insult. If you have a problem with insulting people, read your last sentence and wallow in your own hypocrisy. Censoring language is more detestable than expletives, so fuck off.


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