Transgender ideology and mental illness
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@ Dumb Ox
It's what you deserve form the more rational members of society. And no, you don't commit suicide as often because mostly you are the bullies, the denigration specialists and the bigots.
Don't bring your fake concern about about suicides in a community you consider less than you. Try and be a better person. Not a nasty bigot sniping from the shadows.
"Dumb Ox" was Thomas Aquinas' nickname bestowed on him by jealous felliw students for his slow manner of speaking and thought.
The OP manages to insult Aquinas again.
It’s not an insult as much as I’m a fan boy of his but know I’m not a genius. So I’ll adopt his lowest nickname as a sign that I desire to be like him even if I’m a dumb ox in comparison.
If this thread is a fair indication, then we dont need a genius as a point of reference to acknowledge your pseudonym is apropos.
but know I’m not a genius.
That much is obvious.
Jesus committed suicide:
"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself."
Re: "Jesus committed suicide."
Sure, but it was only temporary.
Edit to add: Yep. A three day nap and four or five Band-Aids and he was good as new.
At most this proves He is mentally ill. But it’s not suicide since He did not hang Himself but allowed Himself to be hung on the cross. He willingly died for our sins and so on but that’s not suicide because life sucks and I want to escape or whatever motive most have. Also do you ha e a specific passage in mind? The one you have is from the parable of the good Shepard right?
So "not suicide" in the same way that so-called "suicide by cop" is not suicide then.
I have an explanation but this isn’t something upon which my theory on trans people stands or falls. So I will let it go.
DumbOx, what sort of research did you do, how many studies did you conduct, what tests did you administer to come up with a determination that seems to fly in the face of so much other data provided by folks who have studied and are credentialed in these areas? Please share with this audience what your background is so that we can better trust that you know what you are talking about.
I looked at three actually legit studies and then looked at trans advocate rebuttals to the suicide rate stats. They don’t despute the high rates that much so I take that as pretty much settled fact. At most they try to minimize it.
I don't see any studies linked or even referenced in that post?
Show us studies that support YOUR bigoted view that transgender suicides are a direct result of their gender dysphoria and not caused by the kind of persecution and bigotry you are espousing?
Even assuming you can do this show research that supports the idea bigoted denials of gender dysphoria will help people come to terms with it better than say gender reassignment and a tolerant acceptance of who they are by society at large.
Come on DO, offer something tangible beyond your own religious bigotry?
I draw mostly from their stats.
Have you even bothered to read it properly, or did you just quote mine what you wanted to support your prejudices?
Try this for a start:
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and **should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment** for this patient group."
Note the part in asterisks which you unsurprisingly failed to mention.
"Transsexualism (ICD-10), or gender identity disorder (DSM-IV), is a condition in which a person's gender identity - the sense of being a man or a woman - contradicts his or her bodily sex characteristics. The individual experiences gender dysphoria and desires to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex."
Quelle surprise, no mention of it being an "ideology", or any mention, even implied, that it's a "mental illness". I'm not even going to feign surprise that you cite a study then ignore it's conclusion and any facts you don't like, but dishonestly quote suicide rates, shamelessly ignoring context.
You're an odious bigot.
I cite it for the suicide rates. I do not cite because it has the same conclusions as I do. I have never said all the experts agree with me. Why? Because experts change and very often it’s political. None of what you quoted really contradicts anything I said any ways. Lol. Not that it matters that much. My primary fact I draw from the studies are the suicide rates. The rest is reasoning and common sense on my part.
My primary fact I draw from the studies are the suicide rates.
Quote mining. Choosing only the facts that fit your presupposed conclusion.
You cherry picked the stats you liked, as I said, you;re not just a bigot, you;re a liar. Though to be fair the two are broadly synonymous. No experts agree with you, that's axiomatic. You have n't offered a single piece of credible evidence for your bigoted prejudices.
"experts change and very often it’s political."
You mean like religions bring undue influence on them to force them to recant medical facts in favour of archaic religious bigotry. Yes that does happen sadly.
"None of what you quoted really contradicts anything I said any ways."
It was you who made a claim, and you who linked that site, all I did was read it, and point out it not only offered no evidence for your claims that transgender is an ideology and a mental illness, but showed unequivocally that you had lied, and dishonestly misrepresented what it said by dishonestly cheery picking the stats you thought supported your prejudiced bigotry. .
"My primary fact I draw from the studies are the suicide rates."
Except you ignored most of them, cherry picking just one, and used it completely out of context as I showed. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
"The rest is reasoning and common sense on my part."
So you think ignoring context, cherry picking one stat whilst ignoring the rest, denying medical scientific facts and espousing unevidenced bigotry is "common sense"? Then you're a moron as well as a bigot, though to be fair these are also synonymous.
Transgender people commit suicide because of bigoted assholes like you.
Maybe. Maybe not. However, Aron Ra did some research and found this fact:
“Atheists don’t want religions to have exemptions under the law, and why should we? It’s not our demographic that has the most divorce, the most chemical dependency, the most domestic violence, the most criminal convictions, or even the most abortions. The only thing we Atheists might have more of, are diplomas.” — Aron Ra
So you are saying religious people are mentally ill? Probably not. Also, are religious people 20 times more likely to do negative X Y or Z? If not then maybe intellectually minded people tend to take the effort to be atheists in general. Hence they aren’t as emotionally driven or something. I don’t think that’s the case since I have heard that 70% of sceptics are for emotional reasons. But hey, unless you show big time stat differences, this is explainable in so many ways.
Why Religion causes brain damage
There are other journal articles, but it costs $$$ to download them, thus I did not include the links. Go search for them yourself.
"I have heard that 70% of sceptics are for emotional reasons."
Citation please, or Hitchens's razor is applied.
It’s hard to say how much is emotional and how much isn’t.
So there were three studies, and the results varied wildly from 44% in one, 52% in another and finally 70% in a third, and of course you lied and ripped off the stats that showed the largest result, that's breathtakingly dishonest. On top of which you claimed "I have heard that 70% of sceptics are for emotional reasons." Not only is this not what the studies you linked say, but they were a small test group in just one country, the USA. Another fact you dishonestly omitted in your claim.
"None of this says anything about the truthfulness of the existence of God, or lack thereof. However, it does add evidence to the view that non-intellectual factors are implicated in religious beliefs - whether those beliefs affirm or deny the existence of the supernatural."
So religiosity is also based on emotion according to the studies, and again I shan't feign surprise you didn't mention this, you are thoroughly dishonest. Of course it says clearly this tells us nothing about the validity of religious beliefs. None of this makes religious beliefs remotely rational either.
"This new research is consistent with the results of earlier research showing that 44% of atheists self-reported that at least some of their doubts, or at least some of their decision not to believe in God, were due to emotional reasons."
So again both the stats and the research doesn't remotely reflect your claim. To put it bluntly you have lied yet again, and misrepresented what this research says, both by omissions and by directly misrepresenting the material facts.
Let me give you, and anyone else who is interested, some real world advice. When you hear a statistic like that; ask yourself the following question:
How EXACTLY could you do an experiment that could possibly have that kind of outcome? If you can't think of a way, that should be your first red flag that someone is making shit up.
When you ask them how it was done and they deflect, that should be your second red flag.
When you ask them for a source for the claim and they can't/won't produce it; that should be your third red flag.
It was based off polling people and asking questions. I don’t know all of the details but here is a link.
@ Dumb Ox
429 out of 324,485,597. That is, divide by..., carry the..., 0.0001322% of the population. And the first was an even smaller sample: 171. And I guarantee those persons were chosen not by random. And the question is loaded:
As far as I am concerned, EMOTIONS, have nothing to do with my beliefs or nonbeliefs. The only time emotions come into play is dealing with the sorry-ass bigots such as yourself.
Why not just admit that you are a bigot? Do a self-assessment. Oh I forget, "but know I’m not a genius."
Edit: fixed strong tag (again!)
Read what you linked, it does not say what you said. It says that a certain percentage of atheists listed at least one emotional argument (in their list of arguments) against the belief in god. This at least passes the basic smell test in that it isn't hard to imagine how to test for that. Unlike what you told us.
I’m not making a big deal out of it. Like I said it’s hard to say from that how much emotion is the determining factor in some people’s beliefs. Cheers.