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Unfortunately. No one knows.
We can all make up any kind of bullshit we want about the afterlife, but until you get there, there is no science.
You live anywhere from 1 to 3,850,027,200 seconds, then you die.
That is all the science there is.
What you are asking is complete imaginative figments known as philosophy.
Reiteration: There is no science except you live 1 to 3,850,027,200 seconds, then you die.
rmfr
I disagree. Science did get a glimpse of what happens after death. First, let me say, thoughts are formless and many fields would agree. When we die an atom leaves the body. Quantum physics and metaphysics agree that is the soul.
Atoms enter and leave the body all the time, not just at death. What does that have to do with a soul?
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R00170021001...
Want to know why they quit those projects? They found such bullshit to be just that: Bullshit.
rmfr
they quit?. Do you know how many agents take hermetic training per year?
None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. μηδέν. Sorry for the Greek. But could not think of another.
rmfr
"Do you know how many agents take hermetic training per year?"
Argumentum ad populum fallacy, (Latin for "argument to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so."
Well I feel stupider for having read any of that. I'm not clear on how any of this altered state of consciousness bullshit is supposed to have any bearing on atoms entering and leaving bodies at death or any other time.
the atom im talking about comes from the heart. The heart is symbolically the conscious.
"the atom im talking about comes from the heart. The heart is symbolically the conscious."
Thanks, fucking tea everywhere now. I've had a throat infection you know, and I really ought not to be laughing that hard.
Sheldon,
You need to remember my Third Commandment of Forum Reading:
"Thou shalt not be drinking while reading ANY forum post since you cannot know which shall cause great spewage."
;-)
rmfr
Good advice, I just hadn't expected the bilge he was posting to produce such a belly laugh. "Atom leaving your heart" after you die, and "the heart is symbolically the conscious", feck me I'm still laughing at that verbiage.
Don't you love how the new-age freaks love to use words in a way they must know their audience will misunderstand. But at least this was a new one I had not heard before!
Complete nonsense, nothing supernatural has ever been objectively evidenced at all, and certainly not by science.
does "thought" have a form or not?
Demonstrate some objective evidence for the claim.
i can literally pull CIA cases of the supernatural. There was a healer that use to work with the CIA, they call it clairvoyant. Please go research how many agents take hermitic training every year. Dont dismiss and proclaim anything you have no knowledge of.
1. No you literally can't pull CIA cases for the supernatural. Hitchens's razor applied. Stop these tedious unevidenced claims.
2. The CIA are an intelligence agency not a scientific organisation.
3. Calling something clairvoyant is not remotely credible evidence, no matter how many times you make a fallacious appeal to authority by citing the CIA.
4. "Please go research" Do your own research, fucking cheek.
5. "Don't dismiss and proclaim anything you have no knowledge of." Dismissal is precisely what unevidenced claims get. Hitchens's razor applied, offer evidence or your claims are meaningless.
Seriously you're off your rocker mate, you need to learn and get a basic grasp of methods of validation. Things like epistemology and at the very least try to understand what the burden of proof is and how it applies, and for fuck's sake learn what common logical fallacies are what it means to any argument or assertion that uses them.
@zuzu
In the process of dying, a lot more than 1 atom leaves the body, lots more atoms join the area we consider the body. Also what is the moment of death? When all the brain cells die? That is about 5-30 minutes after the brain cells lose all access to oxygen (aka the heart stops pumping which in turns stops the flow of oxygen to brain cells that are very sensitive to lack of oxygen.)
Religion likes to deal in exacts, where reality, is rarely anything but. You could say if you fall into a pool of molten aluminum you could say death occurs within 30 seconds through pure excessive violence that results in total destruction of cellular structure.
Also there is no soul, that is just a nice thought someone cooked up to make other people feel better (and yet others use that nice warm blankie of an idea to profit.)
We all get plenty of glimpses of what happens after death. Ever eat meat? Yeah that is from an animal that has died. I know we humans like to think of ourselves as somehow better and more unique, but sorry to burst your bubble: we too are just piles of meat. Or a collection of trillions upon trillions of cells working in concert.
please elaborate on "thought" does it have a form or is it formless?
Why does it matter if thoughts have a form?
Thought does not have a form, no scientist would ever disagree with that claim.
@ tesfey
"Thought does not have a form, no scientist would ever disagree with that claim."
Wrong. Thought is a process of the brain, as a direct result of electrons cascading from atom to atom, from nerve to nerve. Electrons are measurable and very real, these physical entities have mass. Additionally, other signals are carried across the gap by chemicals called neurotransmitters.
Scientists are every day measuring brain activity, thus the thought process. The three most common and most frequently used measures are functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI), magnetoencephalography (MEG) and electroencephalography (EEG).
But if you desire to disagree with my objections, please provide the names of any reputable scientists who agrees with your claim.
Thought does not have a form, no scientist would ever disagree with that claim.
Let's say that's true. So what?
Sure it has form, a pathway through the brains' brain trillions upon trillions of connections, get the right medical equipment and you can see a thought happening. (Along with many thoughts along with many normal functions of the brain.)
So yeah it has a form.
If it were factual that thoughts were perceived, it would also be factual that thoughts are physical objects consisting of matter, energy, space, or time. Thoughts are Mental Objects. Mental Objects are neither matter, nor energy, nor spatial, nor temporal. Objects of sense, are referred to properly as perceptions. Objects of thought, are referred to properly as conceptions.
Thoughts are perceptions, and they are conceptions.
Thoughts are also real things. If I cut out random non life critical parts of your brain, you will lose your thoughts as they are represented in physical form. If I flood your brain with chemicals that physically alter how your brain works your thoughts change.
Thoughts are connected to ether. A part of the brain(the pineal gland) is aligned exactly with this ether(etheric).
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