Wheres the proof???

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Longwinded77's picture
Wheres the proof???


Is there any proof that God exists? Whenever this question comes up, I am always reminded of Thomas in the Bible who would not believe that Jesus was alive until he could touch Him. That is the same analogy many people use today when it comes to answering the question “Is there any proof that God exists?” They want physical proof for something that must be taken on faith value.

It takes greater faith to believe that an unseen God exists than it does to just dismiss Him because you cannot physically confirm that He is there. For those who deal in evidence there is proof all around you and inside of you that God does exist.

Is there any proof that God exists? Take a good look around. When most people look at the world around them, they see only the trees; they do not see the forest that is there. It should be obvious that God exists because of His creation, not only us humans, but the world we live in, the galaxy that world is in, and the universe that the galaxy is in.

Our universe contains too much order for our existence to have been created out of chaos. We are complex beyond our imaginations and when you look at such a complexity, you see God and His creation.

Is there any proof that God exists? Take a good look inside yourself. Most people fail to look inside themselves for God. Instead, they look to their surroundings and conclude that since the world is such a mess, God must not be there, if He ever existed at all. They forget that since God created us, we bear His fingerprints and those fingerprints point to His existence.

First, we are all born with an innate knowledge of what is right and wrong. Even a young child knows that when they misbehave they are doing something that goes against their parents’ wishes. The knowledge of good and evil comes from God. It was put there to keep us in balance and to allow us to understand why we need to come to God for forgiveness.

Second, we have a desire to seek love. Our whole life is spent trying to fill a gap that exists in our souls; a gap that only be filled by the love of God. No matter what we do to try and fill this gap -- money drugs, alcohol, sex, possessions -- the hole will never be filled until we turn back to God and accept His Son as our Savior and Lord.

These are only two of the inward feelings that should tell us that we are more than just some random mistake of nature; that we are created, that a real God that created us, and that He is still there watching over us.

Is there any proof that God exists? Take a good look at His Son, Jesus Christ. All we need to do is take a good look at the life of Jesus to see that He was a man, but more than a man, He was God. When was the last time you saw a man walk on water, calm a storm, or make a man rise from the dead? Even Jesus Himself conquered death and rose again to ascend to Heaven.

Think about the impact that Jesus has had on this world from the very moment of His birth; the way His life, death and resurrection have shaped world history, changed lives, and healed souls. No mere man could do this so we must say as the Roman soldier did at His crucifixion, “Surely this is the Son of God.”

Philosophy says that our existence is based on that which we perceive existence to be. It is even suggested that maybe we do not exist as we think we do here, but on a different plane of reasoning not yet known to us. As God’s creation, we know God is real; all we have to do is take a good look

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Wow where do with start with

Wow where do with start with such a plethora of logical fallacies...

Firstly can you prove that God actually exists? Because your just going over trodden ground.

Second, order in the world and galaxy? Are you serious? This is the fine tuned argument which has been utterly taken apart over and over.
We are the only species that God cares about, yet there are mushroom that can kill you!
Foods that can kill us, animals that can kill us, weather that can kill us, acts of nature such as tsunamis that can kill us, the sun can kill us (and it will) asteroids... the list is endless.... but it's fine tuned for humans?

No child is born with innate knowledge, they are conditioned. My children have been brought up with no knowledge of god and yet do well, are clever, kind and are nice to one another. It is how we condition using morals made by our reactions to reality and the effects they have.

You mention Jesus and the crucifixion and resurrection... this happened under the watchful ģaze of one of the greatest empires in history in the romans, an empire noted for brilliant documenting history for its time... yet only once does Jesus get mentioned, and that was by Tacitus, almost 100 years after the incident... and it wasn't a witness statement, but a passing comment on the crucifixion of someone called Christus.

So how about just for once, theists provide some actual evidence?

Longwinded77's picture
When an ostrich hides his

When an ostrich hides his head in the sand... he's still standing there... and everything is still there all around him, but that bird thinks that because he hides his head and cant see... that he's safe.
Things dont go away because we dont see them.

mykcob4's picture
@Longwinded 77

@Longwinded 77
Like your god, the idea that ostriches hide their head in the sand is a complete myth.

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Yes , Atheist demand testable evidence, that can pass peer review that a god or gods are real. So your saying that your god can be proven by faith? Then you can use those same step to prove all the gods human worship. It is easy to dismiss a god that hides evidence of it's existence.

You claim that your god created the universe. What if you have it wrong, and the chinese god pangu created the universe and the earth. Pointing to the forest and saying god created it is easy to dismiss, because od lack of evidence god is real.

The universe has to much order, so a god created it? What if pangu created the universe?

You claim god is inside of us, so when I have called out to god, why doesn't he answer?

You claim we are born with the knowledge of right and wrong, or the knowledge of good and evil. Then explain why there are so many christians locked up in prisons?

If god fills us with love, does that explain why christians have such high divorce rates?

You claim god created us, then why did your parents have sex and make a baby?

Do you have any proof outside the bible jesus did anything or existed?

The impacts of jesus? You mean the crusades fought in his name to take the holy land from the muslims? The crusades that resulted in mass murder and rape.

So we don't exist as we think we do? Again you say god created us, please explain why your parents had sex and made a baby?

Longwinded77's picture
Atheists are some of the most

Atheists are some of the most religious and faithful people ever. It takes an incredible amount of faith to be an atheist. Sun, moon, stars, oceans, the Earth, animals, babies, male, female, the human heart, emotions, our conscience, love, intelligence, the human mind, bone structure, the human reproductive system, biblical prophecies coming true all before our eyes, eyewitness accounts of Jesus, and more and still there are some people who deny God’s existence.

Just stop and think about it. It’s impossible for something to come from nothing. To say nothingness caused nothing and created everything is absurd! Nothing will always remain nothing.

J. S. Mill who was a non-Christian philosopher said, “It is self-evident that only mind can create mind. For nature to make itself is a scientific impossibility.”

Atheists are going to say, “well who created God?” God is not in the same category as created things. God is not created. God is the uncaused cause. He is eternal. He simply exists. It is God who brought matter, time, and space into existence.

Behind every creation there is always a creator. You might not know the person who built your house, but you know it didn’t just get there on its own.

Atheism can’t explain existence. Atheists live by science, but science (always) changes. God and the Bible (always) remain the same. They know there is a God.

He is revealed in creation, through His Word, and through Jesus Christ. Everybody knows that God is real, people just hate Him so much they suppress the truth.

Atheists are going to say, “well who created God?” God is not in the same category as created things. God is not created. God is the uncaused cause. He is eternal. He simply exists. It is God who brought matter, time, and space into existence.

If Atheists believe there is no God why are they always so obsessed with Him? Why are they worried about Christians? Why do they view things about Christianity just to mock? Why are there atheist conventions? Why have atheist churches?

If God is not real why does it matter? It’s because they hate God! Why does life matter? Without God nothing makes sense. There is no reality at all. Atheists can’t account for morality. Why is right right and why is wrong wrong? Atheists can’t account for rationality, logic, and intelligence because their worldview will not allow them to. The only way they can is to take upon the Christian theistic worldview.

To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, “I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge.

What does the Bible say?

1. Colossians 2:8 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:19-20 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written: He catches the wise in their craftiness; and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are meaningless.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and every type of evil to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. Then all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.

Atheists say, “there is no God.”

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.
He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.
His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

They can’t understand the things of God.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians:2:14

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

They are scoffers.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2 Peter:3:3-5

Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.

Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.

Behold, they say unto me, Where is the word of the LORD? let it come now.

Are atheists going to Heaven?

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

How do I know there’s a God?

O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

God is revealed in Jesus.

20. John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

21. John 17:25-26 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

Finding God...

22. Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

mykcob4's picture

Atheists are not religious nor do they have a faith! That is just fucking bullshit!
Something can and did come from nothing. Even your concept of a god states that your god (something) came from nothing. Fucking unbelievable. You postulate a scientific fact as impossible and then offer that fact as proof of your fucking god.
Next you assume that atheists are obcessed with a god. That is a lie. A strawman argument.
You say that atheist hate god. That is a lie. Atheist can't and don't hate something that doesn't exist!

Life means what ever person wants it to mean.
Morality is accounted for. It comes from the society that constructed it. Lions have a moral code. A pack of wolves have a moral code.
Again you offer strawman arguments that have NO fucking basis in fact. You make wild untrue assumptions.
Note: you stated "To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, “I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge."
That has to be the fucking stupidest statement you have posted so far. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
You sir, are intellectually dishonest. You make up a lie based on false pretenses and lies and assumptions. You don't know a fucking thing about what you are talking about.
Furthermore you can keep your goddamned bible proselytizing to your self! The bible and quotes from it are not proof of anything except the imagination of an uneducated stone aged myth seller!
You sir are a troll.
No arguments!
No prove!
Nothing but proselytizing bullshit!

Longwinded77's picture
Let us image what a non

Let us image what a non-athiest Christian family prays for and hopes to provide for thier childrens security in salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ....

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1 Corinthians:10:11

(If you teach GOD is fake, then you prove Satan is real!)

          ...You know... you either believe in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit or you don't... simple as that.  Being a Believer brings God's blessings upon us... being an unbeliever doesn't... It puts you right along the side of Satan in the Lake of Fire. (If you teach GOD is fake, then you prove Satan is real!)

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

        I know this message is really getting down to the root of the basics, but this message is for our teenagers!   ...--> and time and time again it happens... Children are raised up in a home that teaches God, but when it is time for them to get out into the world... those beliefs and those values are challenged!  We take a teenager that was raised in a good Christian home and we put them into college where they've got this ultra-liberal professor who knows A LOT! about mathematics, but does not know from shinola about the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit!  ...And that puts our children in a difficult situation. They want a passing grade. (and after all this professor is supposed to be a very intelligent individual...) and these teachers are intelligent in their ways of the world and in mathematics, but again, they don't know "come here-from sic'em" about the Father Son and Holy Spirit!
       ... so you teenagers what I want you to get out of this is go to school listen in class and learn the mathematics but keep your morals and values and beliefs that you left home with your faith is surely a testimony of your strength.
       You teenagers make for sure that you keep your Christian values your religion your reality do not allow these ( so established ) intelligent professors challenge your beliefs and your faith with thier haughty tongue and long words.  You stay with your Father in prayer and do not allow thier worldly book smarts, and self-wardly lectures that try to drag the entire class into thier own personal way of thinking!  ...You absorb what's good for the body while you're there... and filter out the garbage Satan speaks, which is in any curriculum that sways from Gods word!  ...Do Not allow it in the slightest of thoughts to even begin to enter into your mind of these deceitful doctrines spewed out of the abominable mouths of athiests!  If they do not stand with God they stand with Satan... There IS NO middle ground in Gods word!  They will try to prove into your minds the unsuredy of Jesus Christ.  They will ridicule even those that call themselves Christian.  They much the Holy Spirit.  They try to weave thier "lost" web around YOU.  Do not allow them influence your mind into so much as even a subtle doubt concerning your salvation through Christ AMEN!

       And your rewards, in these last days, will be given fully unto your spiritual works before God.  No man can hide from God.  He created you.  He knows your heart.  He knows the number of the hairs on your head.  He knows every thought that passes through your mind.  He made everything you see from those things you know not of.  He is our existence.  We are to be good children unto our Father and obey His commands and wishes for our well-being and blesses for He wishes for NONE of His children to parish.
       And we are all His children thank God Amighty in Jesus name AMEN.

Kwahu Jakquai's picture
Wow! That is quite the

Wow! That is quite the attempt at socializing young people with your dogmatic beliefs.

xenoview's picture
TLDR, have to learn to write

TLDR, have to learn to write shorter OP's. Can you prove your god, holy spirit, and jesus are real? Is the bible your only proof they are real?

Longwinded77's picture
When a peron accepts Christ

When a peron accepts Christ as thier Holy Saviour then the proof is felt in ever inch of their existence and filling up thier souls with assurity in truth through faith in knowing.... I hope this helps to answer one of your questions a little clearer

xenoview's picture
Atheism doesn't require faith

Atheism doesn't require faith, intact it's a lack of faith in god. Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I see you like to make long post and quote the bible. You didn't answer any of my questions.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Longwinded77 - Our universe

Longwinded77 - Our universe contains too much order for our existence to have been created out of chaos.

  • What are the dimensions of order?
  • What is a unit of order?
  • How much order is there in the universe, and how did you get this value?
  • How much order is too much order to come from "chaos", and how did you get this value?


Longwinded77 - First, we are all born with an innate knowledge of what is right and wrong.

Then why do different cultures disagree on what is right and wrong?

Longwinded77 - We are complex beyond our imaginations and when you look at such a complexity...

  • What are the dimensions of complexity?
  • What is a unit of complexity?
  • How much complexity is there in a human being, and how did you get this value?


Longwinded77 - All we need to do is take a good look at the life of Jesus to see that He was a man, but more than a man, He was God...

Remember when I said that I've been told my whole life by theists that god has a body? Here is yet another example.

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mykcob4's picture

First of all your moniker is correct because you surely are long winded.
Now your post. For the time I have been on this forum and many others I have read christians professing that there is a god for various reasons. None of their proves are valid, and none of your proofs are valid either.
1) Complexity-You profess that the galaxy, the world, that we are too complex to have not been created by a god. BULLSHIT!
a) Just because something is "complex" doesn't PROVE that a god created it.
b) You never make a connection or prove that a god created it. You simply say the world is complex then make a giant unreasonable assumption that your god (a god never proven) created it.
2) Proof-You say that people, we, never tactile proof like the fable about Thomas. Tangible and tactile are not the same. Proof can come in many forms, but ALL proof needs to follow a logical standard. NO god theory even comes close to logic or reason. Every god theory is purely based on illogical assumptions filled with giant gaps in logic, holes in the theory, what YOU call a "leap of faith). Which is no more than an excuse for not having proof.
3) People are NOT born with an innate knowledge of right and wrong. That is purely a learned process. morality, ethics, ethos, are constructs of society. So this part of your argument is a fallacy, a lie, a misleading statement.
4) The desire to feel love as you put it has no more to do with the need of a god than it has to do with anything. The need to feel love is a social product of evolution. As a social species, we need the cooperation and protection provided by others. It has evolved into what we call love. No god provided love or anything else.
5) The stories about jesus are all fables. Those fables actually came from other folk stories long before the fable of jesus. They were attributed to jesus later. They are not a fact at all. There is no corroborating evidence that the character jesus ever lived. He is as real as Paul Bunyan and no more than that.

Summation-Your belief in a god is a product of brainwashing, peer pressure, and indoctrination. If you born at a different time, you would have a completely different belief. If you were born in a different environment or a different part of the world, you would have a different to god or religion that you foolishly follow.
Christianity isn't even consistent. It is filled with contradictions, holes, and gaps, lies, re-edited versions of itself, logical fallacies, and false conclusions. It has not fostered love or been of good service to humanity. Quite the opposite.
You and every religious nutjob have made the same lame arguments trying to justify a myth. You basically try to discredit proof and evidence and make excuses for not having any. You utilize revisionist history and pseudo-science to apologize for your myth.
No, what you propose as evidence is just the same old bullshit lie.

Longwinded77's picture
And for this cause God shall

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians:2:11

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians:2:12

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2 Thessalonians:2:13

All truth in one book, or partial truths in numerous books...

mykcob4's picture

You are a troll.
Grow up!

Kwahu Jakquai's picture
Just because something is

Just because something is written in a book doesn't make it true.

xenoview's picture
Any proof that your god is

Any proof that your god is real? Is the bible your only proof?

MCDennis's picture
What a pile of crap response.

What a pile of crap post by mr gasbag... including one of my old favorites the the ''look around you'' argument for the existence of a god. If this post was not so long meaning in required effort, I would have immediately ignored this nonsense and assumed it was posted by a troll.

LogicFTW's picture
It looks like copy paste

It looks like copy paste postings to me, especially his longest reply, 3 minutes between postings for such a long post indicates obvious copy paste.

Longwinded77's picture
Yes sir... A lot of copy

Yes sir... A lot of copy paste i do, because its been written in the opinion of this certain matter of which struck me appealing and well crafted in the truths connected in Gods word... (as if that makes what is being read misleading in any way)... --> if i aspire to a certain written truth and share it... i dont do it for credits, nor do i think anyone should try to take "the credits" for spreading the gospel... Or in your case... The bs. Lol...i made i truthful funny

CyberLN's picture
Lw77, if faith is how you

Lw77, if faith is how you have proven your god to yourself then I can say the faith is what has proven universe-creating gnomes. I look around and I cannot imagine that this word and all in it was not because of these gnomes. See how that works?

The faith you describe is neither proof nor evidence for anything other than your belief in it.

Oh, and tw, you are WAY off base about what constitutes atheism.

Longwinded77's picture
So far... each reply ive

So far... each reply ive recieved sounds the same (for the most part) ...yall say God is made up because you need proof and there is none that you can see, hear, or feel... sounds like your yearning for the truth... for that someone to come along and "hit the nail on the head" with all the perfect truths that you need to establish a reason and a connection for your missing pieces of the puzzle... the bible is what your waiting on in my opinion... It has all the truths you need... Unless you dont want the truth and would rather argue constantly...

Kwahu Jakquai's picture

Asserting that something is true doesn't make it true, even if it comes from a book.

Oh also, what does all the truths you need mean? All one needs for what? To live life?

If one is not convinced the bible has all the truths because they have found logical inconsistencies within it, then your assertions of it having all the truths needed for anything will not be found compelling to them. I also think it may do you some good to have a better understanding of symbolic interactionism, perhaps do some research on that? Also do some research on Karl Poppers' ideas on empirical falsification and the empirical sciences.

Longwinded77's picture
You so called illogical

You so called illogical inconsistencies have been put into your head from bad teachers and and terrible preachers of wicked other things that MUST poke criticism towards the main thing (the Bible) theyd lose alota trendy established friendships over, because its mean to not accept the whole world for thier abominations against God... You thicknecked generation of vipers REPENT! The End IS NEAR! ... IVE HAD A VISION! Repent and feel the warmth of the best new relationship youve ever had AMEN!...

xenoview's picture

So the end is near? What do you mean by the end is near. You had a vision, a vision of what?

LogicFTW's picture
I can not speak for others,

I can not speak for others, but for me:

Yeah I am seeking a truth, (do not know about "yearning,") The truth I am seeking is why do so many theist in the world presented with an utter lack of evidence of their faith continue to have faith. You require solid evidence for, (hopefully!) most other things in your life. But, when it comes to religion and concepts that make you uncomfortable, wham! all that stuff about a highly useful tool to succeed in life of requiring real evidence goes flying out the window.

Most certainly not looking for truths from the bible, I have read the bible, I found no insights or truths in there, more of just a "people actually believe this??" Feeling.

I do not feel like I am missing any pieces of the puzzle.

I do enjoy debating it. It is rather interesting seeing the mental gymnastics theist go through to defend their faith when they debate an atheist here.

I already have my "truth" not looking for another. My "truth" is well grounded in real evidence.

I do not really have a problem with theist, what people do in their own private locations is none of my business. But I would be a fool if I did not realize the enormous impact various religions have on my life, and people I care about. Many of them quite negative.

If we truly separated church and state, I would then view theist much like I view smokers, a decision not well based in evidence, but if they do it in the privacy of their own home, who am I to judge what other people do in their private property if it does not effect anyone else. But that is not the case. Religion as a whole has been in a steep decline in most first world countries, but lately its more extreme aspects has seen a dangerous rise.

Longwinded77's picture
You just lied to me... You

You just lied to me... You athiest. You have indeed not read the bible, unless you are truely one of the third that will stay ignorant from salvation of the word, but cling desperately to the throat of your own damnation. I will be praying for you tonight.

LogicFTW's picture
I did not lie to you, I have

I did not lie to you, I have read the bible. Not all of it, but I never said I read all of it. I have read as much or more then most Christians I have met.

Pray for me if you want, makes no difference to me. I would say don't waste your thoughts (prayer,) but my personal view, you waste lots of your thoughts anyways. /shrug

If you really think prayer works, perhaps you should pray for the people in South Texas? There are probably people dying there, or losing their homes as we type.

Kwahu Jakquai's picture


So you think that it is impossible for someone to read the bible and not believe the Zoroastrian idea of hell and damnation? Are you so truly afraid of eternal torture that you refuse to doubt?


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