Let us assume that there once existed a single individual whose intellect set in motion the evolution of mankind's consciousness into a higher plane of understanding of the nature of reality ... that there once existed a living person who was some sort of "super-Einstein". If such a person existed then when and where did he live? What was his "scientific speciality"?
I've concluded from my studies that if such a person existed he lived PRIOR TO 12,000 BC .. that he was an astronomer … that he discovered how to precisely determine the geographical co-ordinates of any location.
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WTF are you talking about?
Your question is ill formed. Circular Logic (A Religious Absolutist favorite tactic)
A conclusion is derived from a premise based on the conclusion.
IN SHORT: You can not assume god is a "Who" without being fallacious. "Who" carries with it all kinds of variable that would not be included in "What." "Assuming there was a god, what could it have been?"
"What" is not actually any better than "Who" but it is a better question if you are going to assume anything at all. "Who" would be contained in the set of "What." Then if we discovered a "Who" we could talk about it.
A better position would just be to ask, "What is your definition of god and why do you believe in it. )
History if full of geniuses that contributed to the advancement of science and whatever you are defining as "mankind's consciousness into a higher plane of understanding " in fact, people got smarter. Your way of saying it is based on WooWoo bullshit.
"Let us assume"
Lets not.
@SeniorCitizen007: set in motion the evolution of mankind's consciousness into a higher plane of understanding of the nature of reality
Mankind doesn't have a "higher plane of understanding....". Even if we did, no one individual could bequeath such an ability to an entire species. What's so special about 12,000BC? Why would this individual be an astronomer, and why would he/she have or need GPS powers?
And what does any of this have to do with the origin of gods?
Well, we kind of are in a "higher plane of existance" from other animals, and that's our capability to live in the symbolic and in our imagination. Other animals don't seem to be capable of inventing such concepts like a "nation" or a "religion". Things that are not "real", but only exist in our imagination. This symbolic revolution possibly happened somewhere around 100k-70k bc, because that's around the first time we see symbolic art. This capability to live in the imagination might also be the reason why we eventually displaced the neanderthals. We just were better at telling stories than the other humans.
Regarding early inventions. Were not most likely made by a single person, but were born out of a long line of gradual invention, some of which were at first used for some other reason, but were eventually adopted to some new use through our ability for metaphor.
@Peurii: Well, we kind of are in a "higher plane of existance" from other animals
If that's what the OP meant, then I agree. I thought he was referring to some kind of new age cosmic consciousness or some such.
Our ability to envision imaginary situations, to plan ahead, and to think symbolically has certainly set us apart from other animals. I think we created gods as a side-effect of these important capacities.
Totally. The way the early humans personalized feelings and natural occurances into gods is, to my mind, almost undoubtedly an outgrowth of our symbolic and metaphorical thinking. Religion also serves a community building role, like nationalism did later, where the cult forms an imagined community, in which people can extend trust to people that they don't know personally because of the shared beliefs and rituals. It seems that our species has brain power to have close relationships with only about 150 people. Rituals are kind of like what finger tip grooming is to chimpanzees. It's just that through ritual we can groom multiple people at once. That is an immense edge over the neanderthals, say. If the neanderthals had communities of a 100 or so people with personal relationships, because they couldn't live in the imagination, they could have never competed with our species that could connect hundreds more through such imagined communities.
OP, thank you as you surely never fail to entertain lol
How the ancients (probably) worked out where they were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_distance_(navigation)
Gobekli Tepe … a 12,000 year old complex of stone circles, was sited where it is because:
a) .. of what was visible in the sky at that latitude
b) … its longitude is EXACTLY on a line linking two pre-existing ancient sites, one of which is a natural feature … a hilltop probably used as an astronomical observatory.
What sites exactly?
Ho.hum!
chimp3 "Ho.hum!"
You summed up my own thoughts very succinctly there I must say.
RE: Gobekli Tepe
You need to stop getting your science from Ancient Aliens. IT'S BULLSHIT.
"Nobody knows who or why they put the stone circles together and nobody knows who or why they were buried more than a millennium later. The stones were frequently burred and new stones added on top."
THE ONLY ANSWER IS "WE DON'T KNOW." Anything else you have to say is fallacious.
..and on another note, the 1960's are over, although their affects are still being felt.
LOL!!
Thank you, that made me laugh out loud.
The centre of the Great Pyramid of Giza is at 29 degrees 58 minutes 45.03 seconds North.
The length of a side of the Pyramid is 755.75 feet
The length of a second of longitude is 100.77 ft. (at the equator)
The centre of the Pyramid is 74.97 seconds from the 30 degree latitude
74.97x100.77 = 7554.7269 feet
Thus the Pyramid builders may have deliberately placed the pyramid where it is … i.e. it's siting may not have been an inaccurate attempt to locate it on the 30 degree North latitude.
The length of a second of latitude at the latitude of Giza is very slightly longer than at the equator … which may mean that the builders of the Pyramid got their measurements spot on.
"And the square of the hippopotamus is exactly equal to the square root of a small green octopus..."hey man this is good shit *Puffs greedily while putting another tie dye T shirt on the line* "who is this band? groovy...., man, hey, wheres me flares?" *Tokes deeply* maaaan, this philosophy shit is so good....lets play "what if. Evidence is so much for the pigs, imagination is where its at *Tokes again*, takes two small blue tabs* "coool man, I can see icicles in the stars" "
That is mathematically incorrect:
74.97 seconds x 100.77 feet = 7554.7269 feet seconds. I hope that makes it clear how silly this numerology is.
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That is factually incorrect.
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That is off by an order of magnitude! More like 750 feet.
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I think old man shouts really nailed it. Probably shouldn't do math while you're getting high.
"Probably shouldn't do math while you're getting high."
To be clear, or when you're suffering some sort of acid flashback to the 70's.
...and that's why, children, Old Man Shouts At Clouds. Because that's where SeniorCitizen007 is. He got sooo high in the sixties he never came down again.
Rolllll me another one, just like the other one....
Numerology is real and space people are friendly.
The OP asks, “who was god”.
Me. It was me.
I’m also the one who let the dogs out.
@Cyber Re: "I’m also the one who let the dogs out."
Woof!... Woof-woof... Woof-woof!...
Are you also responsible for the fifth column that are cats? (By the way, they've already converted me to their ways)
Cats as the fifth column? Hmmmm. You may want to verify that with sources from Looney Tunes.
I'm taking one thing away from this thread, I'm really glad I'm just a little too young to have missed the whole LSD movement.
According to Douglas Adams, some cat named Lord.
600,000 men left Egypt with their wives and families. If they all joined hands the first person would reach Canaan before the last person left. But with God's help, they got lost and wondered in the desert for 40 years. So whoever this God guy is, we know he is not good at math and he was one hell of a map maker.
@Cognostic: we know he is not good at math and he was one hell of a map maker.
It all makes perfect sense. You eat magic mushrooms (manna), suck water out of broken rocks, and follow the fire tornado until you get to the Magic Kingdom.
Forty years seems about right. It once took me almost that long to go from LA to Vegas on Delta.
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