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Walker's picture
Still they are just as

Still they are just as deranged as all other organizations that promote any kind of worship of a god in order to profit from it.

mysticrose's picture
The Christian god seems don't

The Christian god seems don't fill for all the positive description of a loving and merciful god. All religions are the same. They have the same ulterior motives and uses god and scripture to insist their own truth. I prefer no religion at all. I feel more free to get closer to the god that has no name.

Zaphod's picture
I think you should research

I think you should research more religions.

AnimalLeader's picture
It bothers me that people are

It bothers me that people are still so clueless sometimes as to how corrupted most churches are. There has to be massive awakening of people from this hypnotic stupidity!

SammyShazaam's picture
Agreed. During the brief

Agreed. During the brief times when I was struggling with Christianity, I couldn't come to terms with the fact that people were so able to pick and choose which pieces of scripture they wanted to follow, and which they determined were obsolete - while at the same time, I personally was not allowed to keep and discard the bits and pieces of dogma that especially suited *me* without being regarded as immoral or "cheating the Lord".

That and, as you said, the Bible doesn't make God seem like such a great guy.

Zaphod's picture
I call religions where people

I call religions where people can pick and choose the dogma that suits them to help them gain advantage just personal opinions. People who go around abusing religion in this manner might was well have a shirt on that says "I am God!" because they pretty much make up their own rules.

Henry Plantagenet's picture
American churches pull in

American churches pull in about $100 billion every year, and pay no taxes on the money.

How does the IRS decide whether an organization is a church, and therefore exempt from taxation? You can pretty much get a free pass from the IRS if you at least pretend to be part of one of the established churches. They look for a church with a history, a “recognized” creed, an “established” place to worship. Essentially if you can make it look like you’re Baptists or Methodists or whatever, you get to keep the money. The outliers – Wiccans, Druids, Pastafarians etc – get a lot more scrutiny, and of course people like agnostics and atheists get no tax break at all, which to me smacks of discrimination.

Which brings me to the Westboro Baptist “Church”. The “God Hates Fags” bunch. What is it, that makes this sack of loons a church, other than sticking the word “Baptist” in their name?

This maniac Fred Phelps, boss of the WBC, is, only by the broadest interpretation, any kind of minister. His religious credentials are dubious – he was “ordained” at the age of 17 by a preacher who ordains “ministers” by the hundreds after brief and perfunctory “examinations”, but even that preacher who ordained Phelps later admitted that Phelps was delusional. Phelps’ religious training is minimal – he wandered around from one bible school after another for a couple of years, but appears to have absorbed little. So he is scarcely a real preacher.

The Westboro bunch do not belong to the major Baptist denominations – the big American Baptist groups have specifically and publicly rejected them. Those groups run the Baptist community, and they say flat-out that the Westboro bunch are NOT Baptists. Jerry Falwell, the Baptist King, agreed with the guy who ordained Phelps, and called Phelps a “first-class nut”. And the Westboro clan has replied in kind, condemning all the other Baptists. So they are scarcely “Baptists”.

Phelps worked briefly as a low-ranking pastor in the East Side Baptist Church in Topeka; about a year later that church built a second branch and handed it over to Phelps. Phelps showed his gratitude by cutting off ties with the original East Side church – it was more like a real-estate seizure than a ministry. And since then the “church” has essentially consisted of Phelps and the rest of his loony family and their followers. Their “ministry” consists of picketing, around six protests a day, more on Sundays. Huge amounts of the “church” budget goes into these protests. Doesn’t sound like a church to me.

Do they offer church services? On Sunday they don’t ramp up for services, prayer, any of that: they ramp up to increase the amount of protests – much of that involves picketing other churches. Do they do missionary work, convert people, offer services to the poor, the sick, the old? Do they do charity work? Do they have any message about the ministry of Jesus? Do they partake of the global dialogue on the meaning of faith, other than to condemn most other churches as devil worship because they don’t hate gays enough? They spend a lot of time condemning other churches and they actually oppose religious education. So this is scarcely a church – it sounds almost like an anti-church, only a few scary steps away from the Manson family.

(In addition to lacking the credentials of a true minister, Phelps has also been disbarred as a lawyer – he went on a psychotic vendetta against a court reporter, dragging the girl into court for a week, cross-examining her, calling her a slut and speculating about her sexual practices, until finally the authorities tossed him out, banning him from practicing both in Kansas court and federal court.)

So how is it that the IRS gets out their proctoscope whenever a little band of harmless Druids wants to pray to the sun or a sheep or whatever, but they totally ignore this Phelps loon and his merry band of terrorists? Couldn’t the IRS start enforcing their own rules, and if so, who better to start with, than Phelps? His connection to the Baptist faith is so tenuous, that by his logic, a whole lot of organizations – anyone from Greenpeace to McDonald’s – could claim to be a Baptist church and avoid taxation.

And how many other rightwing political groups – because that’s what they are – are not paying their fair share of taxes, by pretending to be churches when they’re really political organizations? If those guys aren’t political organizations, then how is it that they are working through our legislatures to dominate policy-making on abortion, school vouchers, school prayer, intelligent design, putting the Commandments in courtrooms, stem cell research, euthanasia, cloning, civil unions, HPV shots, contraception, sex education, faith-based initiatives, banning books, and assisted suicide? I think people who insist on running our government should at least pay their share of the upkeep.

SammyShazaam's picture
Thanks for giving us the

Thanks for giving us the background on this church. I know that they are definitely not well liked by most other churches, as it makes them all look bad.

Still, you bring up good points... maybe all churches deserve to look a little worse after all :/

Zaphod's picture
I really like the point you

I really like the point you made in the first paragraph about discrimination at the end of your last paragraph about running and upkeep Henry! Not to meaning say I only read the beginning and end like its a long book I was trying to do a quick report on, I read the whole lot of it. You made a few good points that should warrant further research by the IRS into the WBC. Perhaps there is a way you could make money as an IRS church researcher you know exposing religious tax fraud.

mattyn's picture
I sometimes think that

I sometimes think that churches are more corrupt than casinos and it's possible that it's true.

Zaphod's picture
Yeah it is, especially

Yeah it is, especially churches that run charity casinos!

SammyShazaam's picture
I feel better playing at

I feel better playing at casinos that support (or at least pay lipservice to) disenfranchised Native American tribes than those that support the church.

Objectively, I don't feel that one is better than the other, though.

boomer47's picture
@Zaphod

@Zaphod

"Yeah it is, especially churches that run charity casinos!"

Yup. When I was a gossoon, my entire family was chronically catholic.

Every now and then there would be a gambling evening in the church hall, with a range of gaming opportunities. Usually attended by the local copper, who was a parishioner.

Each state in Australia has I think one legal casino. These are all owned by public companies. In this state at least, poker machines are legal and can be found in almost every pub and sporting club. I loathe poker machines. I think they are a social evil.

I learned to play poker at age12. The father of the kid who taught me was a gambling addict. (horses) It was then I formed the opinion that gambling is a mugs game, unless you own the bank or horse. .

dogalmighty's picture
Just a heads up...this post

Just a heads up...this post is six and a bit years old.

Whitefire13's picture
Lol doG ... I was going to

Lol doG ... I was going to tell him but then I thought “he’s old - let him talk to the dead”

boomer47's picture
@white

@white

Was that canard aimed at MOI?

If so,I fart in your general direction hussy.

If not , do carry on. Besides , there's nothing wrong with talking to the dead, I do it all the time . To me dear old mum, and my best mate, both of whom died last year. Tomorrow is a year since mum died. So far neither has started talking back.

Is some unknown person posting on zombie threads?

Whitefire13's picture
Yes, you old fart ...

Yes, you old fart ...

“I talk to dead people” Nothing wrong with that :)

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Cognostic's picture
Casinos have oversight. Make

Casinos have oversight. Make a mistake and you risk being closed. Churches can steal you blind, fuck little boys, get admitted to hospital rooms where they get to solicit the dying with promises of heaven for redoing their wills. NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM,

Whitefire13's picture
Fuck me?!?! Now you’re in

Fuck me?!?! Now you’re in this part of the thread talkin to an old fart that was talking to the dead?!!?

ginamoon's picture
I do not think that telling

I do not think that telling bad things on others could make something or someone looks better.
If someone is preaching or teaching, why the need to tell the "bad aspects" of others instead of focusing on what should really be the topic.

Zaphod's picture
Good point Gina! Pointing out

Good point Gina! Pointing out the bad in others usually only results in breeding hate resentment ect ect. and distracts from the point. But sometimes it is necessary to do so if a person or group of people continue to be bad otherwise the bad may continue to happen. I say your right but some times telling bad on others can make you look worse than them however not not make them look better than they are.

Cognostic's picture
@ginamoon: THE TOPIC - IS

@ginamoon: THE TOPIC - IS - THE BAD THING.

mysticrose's picture
In reality, bad traits are

In reality, bad traits are visible than of good ones. Therefore, as churches were known about good characteristics, so they must avoid to show even the slightest bad characteristics that they have. They don't need to be perfect, but neither too imperfect.

Zaphod's picture
They just need to keep doing

They just need to keep doing more twice as much good as they are doing bad and only get caught doing less than 5% of the bad they do. but your right people remember the bad and notice the bad easier than the they do the same with the good.

Cognostic's picture
"BECAUSE"

"BECAUSE"

Tin-Man's picture
Why not?

Why not?

Whitefire13's picture
WHat?!?!?

WHat?!?!?

David Killens's picture
Pourquoi?

Pourquoi?

Tin-Man's picture
Who?.... When?.... Where?....

Who?.... When?.... Where?.....

dogalmighty's picture
"Lets do the time warp again.

"Lets do the time warp again...."

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