Basic conversation about atheism

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HAL9000.'s picture
Talynn, you came up to me and

Talynn, you came up to me and told me I'm evolving.

You implanted that thought into my head I didn't implant it into your head.

And you're telling me to trust you and your 'friends' that it's true I'm evolving.

And you're saying I have no choice I have to do what you say and evolve.

And I'm telling you that I don't feel like I'm evolving.

And I don't want to evolve because I'm happy to be me until I decide there's something that needs changing by me and not by you.

I don't want to follow the crowd and be generic I want to be unique.

The opposite of evolving is not evolving...I like that better.

toto974's picture
Relax Man, I was speaking of

Relax Man, I was speaking of evolving, as a specie.

HAL9000.'s picture
Also, aren't you breaking

Also, aren't you breaking some kind of forum rule by attacking me?

You used the following language against me:

- illiterate
- incapable of thought beyond the level of Chimpanzee
- BANANA BREATH
- moronic
- stupid ass assertions

And bad language.

Forum Guidelines:

2. No bullying

vincegrabo's picture
"1. Atheism has nothing to do

"1. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. ..."

If you don't believe that God created everything, then you must have another idea. And that idea would have to include how the first cell came to life and how it became more and more complex lying around in the dirt.

CyberLN's picture
No, Vince. You are wrong. I

No, Vince. You are wrong. I can say I don’t believe a god created everything and still say I don’t know how the ‘first cell came to life...’

vincegrabo's picture
Sure, you can do that. But

Sure, you can do that. But not being able to explain how things could have happened with God puts your belief on shaky ground. It sounds like you decided not to believe in God on an emotional basis.

vincegrabo's picture
Sure, you can do that. But

Sure, you can do that. But not being able to explain how things could have happened with God puts your belief on shaky ground. It sounds like you decided not to believe in God on an emotional basis.

David Killens's picture
@Vinca Grabo

@Vinca Grabo

"I understand that atheists believe that there is no creator and there was no creation."

This sentence has three major errors.

1) The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there there is no god.
2) The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there is no creator.
3) The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there was no creation.

"If there was no creation, then the first chicken did not come out of an egg."

I will substitute a few words to illustrate how your questions require jumping many descriptive steps, thus rendering the question gibberish.

"If there was no creation, then the first Boeing 747 did not come out of a Coke can."

If you wish to discuss biological and physical origins, here is a good place to go.

http://www.talkorigins.org/

vincegrabo's picture
"The common definition for an

"The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there there is no god."

So you think God might exist but you don't believe it?

What's the difference? If you don't believe in God then you must have some thought about how things came to be that we think God created. How could you not?

xenoview's picture
@vince

@vince
Atheist have a lack of belief in a gods, because there is no objective evidence that any gods exist.

Theist have failed to provide objective evidence that any god is real.

HAL9000.'s picture
Look in the mirrior for proof

Look in the mirror for proof - it's right in front of you everywhere you look.

CyberLN's picture
Hal, are you an atheist or

Hal, are you an atheist or theist?

vincegrabo's picture
Well, nobody on this forum

Well, nobody on this forum has provided any objective evidence that this could have all happened without a creation.

Saying "There is lots of proof" is not evidence.

Saying "that bird evolved from a previous bird and that previous bird evolved from something else" is not an answer.

Sapporo's picture
Vince Grabo: Well, nobody on

Vince Grabo: Well, nobody on this forum has provided any objective evidence that this could have all happened without a creation.

Do you have evidence of something being created from nothing?

vincegrabo's picture
You answer every question

You answer every question with a question. You don't seem to have any answers.

Sapporo's picture
Vince Grabo: You answer every

Vince Grabo: You answer every question with a question. You don't seem to have any answers.

I and others have already answered your questions. I for example mentioned that your questions are nothing to do with atheism: you misunderstand what is meant by atheism.

You seem to have a dislike for knowledge from experts. That is not my immediate problem.

Cognostic's picture
Hi Vince:

Hi Vince:
It is obvious that you began posting in this forum without any understanding at all of the Origin of Life, Cosmology, The Big Bang, or Evolution. At the very least you should have learned that these are separate disciplines.

1. You confused Evolution with the Big Bang, Cosmology, and the Origins of life.
2. You confused The Big Bang with Cosmology and evolution.
3. You confused Cosmology with evolution and the Big Bang and Origins of life.
4. You confused Origins of life with Evolution and the Big Bang.

At the very least you should have picked up the fact that you are very ignorant of the distinctions of these areas of study. You have no ability at all to distinguish one from the other and have somehow managed to link them all together in some sort of ignorant mass of blind assertions.

You should have learned a working definition of "Atheism." Atheists are people who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR GODS. Capitalization is used to point out your area of ignorance. THAT'S IT AND NOTHING MORE.

Lastly, an atheist site is not the place to discover the ORIGIN OF BIRDS. What the fuck difference does it make? If you are going to assert that your God did it ----- GET OFF YOUR ASS AND PROVE IT.

Not knowing where an egg came from is not an argument against atheism nor is it an argument for god. It is a "Red Herring." A bullshit proposition you have asserted to take attention away from the FACT that you can not defend your position. Anyone on this site who has interacted with you can list the things you should have learned from those interactions. You are either incapable of learning (Having a mental problem or a significant lack of education) or are adverse to learning (Wanting to push your own agenda). In either case, your lack of ability to grasp the information given to you is YOUR PROBLEM not ours. The fact that you do not know how to do a Google search and verify the information you have been provided is an issue you must deal with as you make your way through this world. Good luck to you.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
So what is objective evidence

So what is objective evidence to you? As a matter of fact, don't answer that. Time and time again, theists come here and run to semantics when their beliefs are challenged.

I gave you specific examples that you chose to ignore and I even broke down the process for you quite a bit. Or would you prefer that I say that God snapped his fingers and made it all happen?

Vince at first it seemed like you were humble and you came here to learn about something, but I'm not quite sure that this is the case. If you want people to just validate your own beliefs, you came to the wrong place.

CyberLN's picture
Vince, do you understand what

Vince, do you understand what a determination of ‘not guilty’ means in criminal court in the U.S.?

vincegrabo's picture
Yes. Do you? Relevance?

Yes. Do you? Relevance?

CyberLN's picture
You get that a determination

You get that a determination of ‘not guilty’ does not mean the same thing as innocent, right?

vincegrabo's picture
Yes. Relevance?

Yes. Relevance?

David Killens's picture
Imagine there is a huge glass

Imagine there is a huge glass jar full of pennies. One person has asserted that there is an even number of pennies in the jar. I state that I will with-hold belief until the pennies have been counted. I am not stating that the other person is a liar, neither am I stating that there are an even number, nor an odd number of pennies.

I have no reason to believe a god exists.

I have thought a lot about how things came to be, but none of the rational arguments require a god.

HAL9000.'s picture
You say that there is lack of

You say that there is lack of belief due to lack of evidence but you're always more than happy to shoot down whatever evidence somebody might put in front of you (in a very hostile and defensive manner I might add).

Let's be honest you enjoy the attention and it gives you a purpose in life to deny something exists.

It's also made some of you filthy stinking rich.

Atheism in reality says, "There's no need for a creator (I'm all you need)"

It's not a case of lacking evidence; you want to destroy the evidence.

You don't want it to be true.

toto974's picture
@HAL 9000

@HAL 9000

What do you think is evidence of your God?

Tin-Man's picture
@HAL

@HAL

Yo, dude! In your profile you claim to be an atheist. Yet your posts paint a different picture. Care to explain..... (TROLL)?

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
They do this to access the

We've had an invasion of trolls lately.

Edited as of 1/30/2019

LogicFTW's picture
Pssssst. Hey SSoaBE

Pssssst. Hey SSoaBE

Many trolls are not very smart.

I would edit your post incase other less intelligent trolls read this and start doing this as well.

(Don't over estimate the intelligence of trolls! not all of them have figured this out!)

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
Lol you're right. I made a

Lol @Logic you're right. I made a complete edit.

Tin-Man's picture
@Secular SOB

@Secular SOB

Yeah, I know. Childishly lame behavior, naturally. I just like calling them out sometimes to see what type of imbecilic excuses/responses they produce. Cheap entertainment of sorts.... *chuckle*...

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